kockblocker1 said:
My ideals tend to be Atheist BECAUSE I went to a Catholic school. The majority of the devout self proclaimed religious people I have met in my life were also among the most hypocritical. You are correct in that the nature of existence cannot be explained. I however, disagree with your logic to simply classify the way the building blocks fell on a higher being.
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haha, yeah, most of the people i know who are atheist, actually probably 90% of them went to Catholic school. i think that has something to do with it. weather it be the resentment built up through developmental stages in youth having an unfortunate target or what i cant say.
regardless of how blessed or holy anyone is, they are human, noone likes seeing that, noone likes seeing their parent get hurt. to child this protector is invincible and any suggestion otherwise is intolerable!
its very damaging when someone who is in a postion you are supposed to respect behaves in a far more human (or devious) manner.
its funny how bad people getting into good positions can spoil the entire scene. if the people at my work knew some of the things ive done im sure they would be very dissappointed with me, i doubt they would lose faith in the medical field but who knows!
anyway, you said you disagree with my logic to simply classify the way building blocks fell on a higher power.
the logic is not simple, just solid. this is a fairly early and atiquated debate really, its true the universe to be orderly must be held that way by an outside force, the fact that order requires action from outside to maintain it is true, and it is a fact that following that out to the farthest rung you reach a point where sentience is required, some amount of logical will. otherwise you could just assume that somewhere beyond our universe a pair of scissors is mindlessly floating there somehow keeping everything in order. obviously this is obsurd. why? because a pair of scissors has no mind.
now someone could say, well what if the scissors ( i know this sounds weird as an example but scissors are as good an example as anything for this) were large and had a magnetic field and thats what was keeping the universe in order somehow.
following that, for the god-scissors to have a quality like that that could keep anything in order. that quality must be orderly as well, something like a magnetic field, if it were chaotic, it couldnt be holding anything like the universe in order at all. so whats keeping the scissors in order since they have no will?
my point, though i went about it in a really really weird way, is that the final rung, eventually you have to get to a begginning of order, and not a beginning in a temporal way, a begginning in a primary numbers kind of way, if you know what i mean.
the beginning, being orderly must, not because i want it to or thats what i think but because this is what the equation requires, must have a will. an awareness. this acts on the other things making them orderly. without a will or awareness, logic is impossible. It makes sense, follows rules... is orderly, therefore must be made that way, and as logic is nothing more than a sensicle set of basic rules, decisions were made to make them that way. this is not my opinion, this is truth whos alternatives are impossible. decisions were made to make them that way. at the core and nature of logic it is engineered as something that makes sense. without a mind, that is truely impossible.
wilma, i like what you said about time. its totally right on, ive always said that too, ive said that time is more like the metric system than it is an essence. its only what we use to measure the movement of reality as it stirrs within now. thats all.
try to think of 3 seconds from now, all youre doing is counting in your head, things have changed, did you even move? it makes no difference. it isnt real, it only serves to ease our minds from the sense of a horizontal freefall if we actually understood now is the only thing that is real along with the consequence of actions because they move with us, while we remember what happened yesterday it is not in the past, it is still with us, only it has changed, we call these changes consequences, but its like watching a pint of guinness settle when it gets that nice head on it!
all the foam comes up to the top, has the foam from the beginning been left behind in some impossibility? no of course not, its just taken a different shape, its grown or whatever.
you get what i mean. but its funny how if you think about that enough you can almost see a glimpse of how time isnt real at all, its just like counting in your head. you werent even counting at all, the chemicals in your mind that to your consciousness equal your voice saying 'one" have changed to the ones that equal you saying "two" and thats its. nothing more, there wasnt even a sequence, just the changing of chemicals though all the chemicals for one two and three still simultaneously exist.
well ive given myself a headache, so peace!