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Posted 2004-09-09, 04:25 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1270..."
I personally am very christian and believe strongly in god. I have never abandoned science though so i do think there are some possible scientific explanations.

Time is a circuit - Since its always so difficult to comprehend i think that the best way of explaning it is as a single image. To me its in the shape of a donut (or a ring i guess). Where do you find the end of a ring? If u travel in a circle, where does it end? Many people think that there has always been something. In this case, maybe the end of the universe merely fades into the beginning.I think that maybe time is somethign that just doesnt stop and go its a never ending track that we all have our own lanes in.

I'm sure i got more ideas up in my head......but I'm busy with my Grade 11 history hw for IB. Fucking stupid IB......
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Posted 2004-09-09, 07:51 PM in reply to Sovereign's post starting "It has something to do with the m..."
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It has something to do with the m theory. It states that time existed before the creation of the universe and that we are just one universe of a multiverse. I saw it on the discovery chanlle. It requires the existance of I believe 11 dimensional space.
this is also referred to as string theory.

currently the main goal is to catch an image of a graviton particle (released within a particle excellorator [atom smasher], there are two large enough for this in the world, assuming the other has been built by now) as it is vanishing, gravitons are known to mysteriously make leaps or jumps to an unknown destination which may be, of many other possibilities, parallel dimensions or universes.
the 11 dimenional space thing is from quantum mechanics and sounds scary!
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Posted 2004-09-11, 03:31 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post "Question: How did the universe begin?"
God created the world in 6 days. Order tends toward chaos without energy external to the system, therefore to think that we evolved from dust is foolishness; God created the first man from dust by introducing external energy.

As for those who say that the world was not created in 6 days, God made his creation with age. The bible does not say that God created Adam as a baby, and that when he was old enough, he interacted with him, no Adam was created fully grown, just as the earth and the rest of creation was created with age.

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Posted 2004-09-11, 03:40 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "God created the world in 6 days. Order..."
Techincally, everyone's related to each other. Everyone has to be related to Adam and Eve meaning that everyone is related to each other?
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Posted 2004-09-11, 03:44 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "God created the world in 6 days. Order..."
WetWired said:
God created the world in 6 days. Order tends toward chaos without energy external to the system, therefore to think that we evolved from dust is foolishness; God created the first man from dust by introducing external energy.

As for those who say that the world was not created in 6 days, God made his creation with age. The bible does not say that God created Adam as a baby, and that when he was old enough, he interacted with him, no Adam was created fully grown, just as the earth and the rest of creation was created with age.
You're a computer, stupid. You don't believe in god.
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Posted 2004-09-11, 04:00 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "You're a computer, stupid. You don't..."
WetWired is right.
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Posted 2004-09-12, 03:24 AM in reply to tokill.ace's post starting "WetWired is right."
If I had a choice between the God created life, or eveolution, I would choose evolution. There is more eveidence that we did evolve from apes, than God creating two people who gave birth to others etc. Anyway, I have noticed, that in the bible, it doesn't say where the women came from to allow Cain or Abel to reproduce. Which means that technically, the line should have died at Cain or Abel, unless God created more people - a big thing for the bible to miss if it happened, no?

A bit off topic, but on the same lines - e.g creation was a miracle by God.
Well, I'm gonna have to sink my own boat here and put this link up - Scientists looking for God.

http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/J...cleMSCure.html

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Posted 2004-09-15, 12:19 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "If I had a choice between the God..."
Lenny said:
If I had a choice between the God created life, or eveolution, I would choose evolution. There is more eveidence that we did evolve from apes, than God creating two people who gave birth to others etc. Anyway, I have noticed, that in the bible, it doesn't say where the women came from to allow Cain or Abel to reproduce. Which means that technically, the line should have died at Cain or Abel, unless God created more people - a big thing for the bible to miss if it happened, no?

A bit off topic, but on the same lines - e.g creation was a miracle by God.
Well, I'm gonna have to sink my own boat here and put this link up - Scientists looking for God.

http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/J...cleMSCure.html

i dont think the bible missed anything with the cain and able thing. it said adam and eve were the first, not the only. there may have been 1 billion people created the very next day, that has no signifgance to the story so why include it. the bible says nothing about chocolate milk either but i sure know that exists!!!!!!!!!

also there is no reason to chose God created life OR evolution. the two go hand in hand. it is impossible to have evolution without God. it is impossible to have the big bang without God. i explained why it goes back to an original conscious will, unrestrained and creative to have logic exist and also to be the alpha of all things. to have the faith that a big bang just existed without anything causing it is a bigger leap than to believe God caused it and far more obsurd. mainly because it is going against the scientific law that i stated, and wetwired reitterated more efficiently, basically none of that could happen unless acted on from outside.
evidence, solid, that an outside will exists. i dont think there is much more to debate beyond that. the details are only cosmetic to our main arguments. im glad at no point did this become and argument in that sense, so far the arguments in the litteral sense braught up were very good on both sides and interesting!
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Posted 2004-09-28, 02:55 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post "Question: How did the universe begin?"
it began because God was angry with one of his angels.

God: "Go to hell"

and here we are.
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Posted 2004-09-28, 04:31 PM in reply to Mydogisyourdog's post starting "it began because God was angry with one..."
I still think there's a Supreme being, if not god, something along the lines of... Q :P
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Posted 2004-09-28, 04:43 PM in reply to Randuin's post starting "I still think there's a Supreme being,..."
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I still think there's a Supreme being, if not god, something along the lines of... Q :P
possible too, but who the hell knows until we get a time machine and send our selves back to the "beginning" :P that would solve all the questions, but seeing the future is completely different : / which is another concept:
for yourself to see yourself in the future is impossible since you leave your time line to see your future self, which means you leave your time line to see ahead in which you have are absent from seeing yourself: basicaly u are gone from the future time line cuz you arent there to have done future things. you would have to have someone else tell you your future who is a complete stranger to do so
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Posted 2004-09-28, 04:52 PM in reply to blckshdwdragon's post starting "possible too, but who the hell knows..."
Well they have already achieved time travel in the sub atomic level (in the time frame of about 2x10^-10 ms?) But that aside, they've done it.
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Posted 2004-09-29, 10:03 AM in reply to Randuin's post starting "Well they have already achieved time..."
I posted a little thing on time travel a little way back in this thread. Then someone proved me slightly wrong. I have warned you.
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