Round 2! Sonic vs. Raziel

That Soul Reaver kinda catched my attention so i went to see if it had any drawback and not even to a suprise it actualy does. Here is one that would be fitting this duel.

Taken directly from gamefaqs.com

"The Soul Reaver has a mind of its own. It is in charge, not
Raziel. See that nifty little circle slowly working its way around the health spiral? Well, if it manages to form a complete circle, the Reaver takes control and saps Raziel's health, returning him to the Spectral Plane."

Considering that Sonic can deal with all ranged attack using Insta-Sheild and you seem in insisting Raziel would just vanish before blow. Here is the weakness of the Soul Reaver that i will use.

When Sonic cant kill something directly he avoid it run arround and wait to see a weak point or if he couldnt use his enemy power against him. So Sonic would simply avoid melee combat and the Soul Reaver would consume Raziel.

The Soul Reaver only begins to consume Raziel when he strikes an opponent. And it takes actually killing two, maybe three opponents before it begins to drain his life energy. Against one opponent, that weakness is void. Sorry, Charlie, no dice.

I searched about the symbiosis of Raziel and the Soul Reaver. When Kain hit Raziel with it the Sword broke to become part of Raziel yet transforming raziel in the Soul Reaver. The blade and Raziel both are the same yet the blade as a mind of it's own. Both needed souls to feed on ! The blade doesnt have one but Raziel does this is why if the blade isnt fed it will consume Raziel.

it takes actually killing two, maybe three opponents before it begins to drain his life energy.

Actualy what i was talking about is a diff. weakness then the one your talking about. The one your talking about is when Soul Reaver get "aroused" if you kill many enemy. It will start to suck out Raziel life cause it want more and more.

While the one im talking about is if he doesnt claim a soul for a while the Soul Reaver sap Raziel life and return him in Spectral Plane.

Here is also something else i just found on gamefaqs.com

"You’re also PERMANTLY bonded with the Soul Reaver, a sword that will absorb life from the foes it kills. There is a drawback to this… The sword absorbs the souls so you can’t heal yourself if you’re using the sword."

That would mean when he shift he would be able to stay forever yes but he wouldnt heal.

Wrong again, Kuja. He can have the Soul Reaver active for as long as he wants, it doesn't just start draining his life for no reason. It only starts feeding off of him when he's killed too many enemies with it and it goes energy-crazy.

And he constantly regains energy by simply being in the Spectral Realm. Just by standing in the Spectral Realm, his life slowly replensihes. He can absorb souls while there also, because the Reaver functions differently in the Spectral Realm. The Reaver is less powerful in Spectral, and he can't use any of the elemental Reavers, but the it doesn't steal souls from him while he's there either.

Moebius' staff is deff. not in range since it's not equipment. Raziel wouldnt be able to turn off his blade. If by some miracle it would be there Sonic would find it and destroy it !

It's not for no reason. It's cause it s starting to get hungry from not having fed. In the ending of Soul Reaver 2, the blade try to swallow Raziel. Thats not for nothing ! The only reason he survived is because Kain saved him by changing history when the paradox was created. (Raziel being inside and outside the blade)

...*sigh*...

First, Raziel can de-activate the Soul Reaver anytime he wants. If you want proof, check any FAQ on Soul Reaver 2. Press the Circle button twice to either activate it or de-activate it at will. The only thing besides Raziel that can de-activate the Reaver is Moebius' staff.

Second, no the Reaver does not just start feeding on Raziel's life whenever the hell it wants to. The reason it turned on him at the end of SR2 is because he had just killed 6 PEOPLE WITH IT. He used it to kill 6 humans in a row, and because it had no other target to turn to, it went soul-crazy and began to devour Raziel. I will say this ONE MORE TIME: The Soul Reaver must be aroused in order to drain Raziel's life. The Soul Reaver becomes aroused by being used to kill enemies. If Raz just hangs out with the Reaver activated, it doesn't harm him. Raz would have to kill Sonic in order for the Reaver to go anywhere near the drain-point.

Well it does say that in the ending his blade was deactivated and when the staff left range his blade came back which mean the staff would actualy need to be in range for him to control it. And this is why it tried to devour him cause he lost control over it.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/archive/reaver.php
Here is a site that basicly speak only of these game with Raziel and Kain. Here again it cleary says (in more detail then gamefaqs.com) this.

The Wraith Blade - When the physical Soul Reaver sword was destroyed in SR1, the captive spirit that had inhabited it for centuries - Raziel's soul - was released. It retained the sword's shape, and bound with the wraith Raziel as his symbotic weapon - the wraith blade. Thus Raziel was unwittingly carrying a future incarnation of his own soul.
The wraith blade was weak, and functioned simply as an effective weapon in SR1. However, in SR2, during The Reaver Convergence, the wraith blade gained in power, becoming a parasite, competing for control against Raziel. It began devouring the souls of its victims again, and Raziel had to keep its hunger under control, or it would turn on him.
Raziel was able to enhance the wraith blade in elemental forges, designed by the winged ancients.


What this tell me is that if the blade isnt fed by souls of enemy the blade will feed on raziel himself.

Also the parasite trying to take control against Raziel cannot make him someone that can concentrate very good. His soul of the future fighting his soul of the present.

Well it does say that in the ending his blade was deactivated and when the staff left range his blade came back which mean the staff would actualy need to be in range for him to control it. And this is why it tried to devour him cause he lost control over it.

Kuja, for the love of God, read what I am typing. RAZIEL CAN ACTIVATE AND DE-ACTIVATE THE REAVER AT WILL. DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT? EITHER PRESS THE CIRCLE BUTTON TWICE IN A ROW, OR SELECT THE REAVER IN THE ELEMENTAL REAVER MENU. THE REAVER DID NOT ATTACK RAZIEL BECAUSE HE "LOST CONTROL" OVER IT. IT ATTACKED HIM BECAUSE HE OVER-AROUSED THE BLADE BY KILLING HIS SARAFAN BROTHERS. HE DOES NOT NEED MOEBIUS' STAFF IN ANY WAY IN ORDER TO ACTIVATE OR DE-ACTIVATE THE REAVER. HE DOES IT WHENEVER THE HELL HE WANTS. IF YOU HAD PLAYED THE GAME, YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. STOP ARGUING THIS POINT.

during The Reaver Convergence, the wraith blade gained in power, becoming a parasite, competing for control against Raziel. It began devouring the souls of its victims again, and Raziel had to keep its hunger under control, or it would turn on him.

Do you want me to explain to you exactly how it works in the game? The Soul Reaver is the most powerful weapon in Soul Reaver 2. If Raziel kills an enemy with it, the Reaver devours the soul, not allowing Raziel to devour it and preventing him from healing himself. If Raziel allows the Reaver to devour too many souls, then it will go soul-crazy and start leeching energy off of Raziel. Imagine feeding a hungry dog a bunch of raw meat. Suddenly the dog becomes ravenous and takes a bite out of your hand. The situation with the Reaver is exactly the same.

If Raziel wants to be able to devour souls, he has to turn the Reaver off and attack with either his claws, or with normal weapons. While the Reaver is off, Raziel is free to devour all the souls he wants without fear of the Reaver turning on him and draining his energy. The trade-off is that Raziel doesn't get the benefits of the Reaver's power. Stop arguing this point. You are making guesses and assumptions, because you obviously haven't played the game. I have played all of them, save for Defiance, and am extremely knowledgeable about the Legacy of Kain. Trust me, everything you are guessing is wrong.

What this tell me is that if the blade isnt fed by souls of enemy the blade will feed on raziel himself. Also the parasite trying to take control against Raziel cannot make him someone that can concentrate very good. His soul of the future fighting his soul of the present.

Again, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. You haven't played the game, and you're making incorrect assumptions about a particularly important plot element. Raziel has no issues with concentration. He's not fighting with the Reaver for control. Stop making character assumptions about a character that you know almost nothing about.

Well i wouldnt understand why they say everywhere that his blade reactivated cause staff left range and then it tried to consume him. So that mean to me he can deactivate it on his own ! But only if the staff is in range.

Trust me, everything you are guessing is wrong.

Im guessing what your trying to say is every site is wrong and you aint ? Personaly i find that a little hard to beleive.

you're making incorrect assumptions about a particularly important plot element.

Im not assuming i take these thing from sites.
So you saying again the sites are wrong and that your right.

Sorry, but i seen most of my stuff on gamefaqs.com and the url i posted in my last post. So if you want to tell me BOTH site are completly wrong you will need to prove it.

Kuja, you're not reading what those FAQs are saying correctly. I will prove to you that what I'm saying is correct.

http://guides.ign.com/guides/14543/page_7.html

The Soul Reaver is an incredibly powerful weapon that feeds off the life of those that it kills, (KILLS, Kuja) much like Raziel does. In fact, the more you attack with it, the more excited it gets - not a good thing! If it's meter (the one that circles around Raziel's life spiral) ever gets full, it starts feeding off of his life-force until it forces you into the spirit world. To avoid this fate, use the Soul Reaver only when necessary, and put it away when it gets full or close to it - tap the Circle button twice to turn it off and on.

Is that enough proof for you? There it is, bold, underlined, and visible to the entire board. Raziel can shut the Reaver off whenever, and wherever he wants to, and it only starts draining his life once he's killed a few enemies. I repeat, Kuja, you have not played this game. Stop arguing what you think those FAQs are saying, because you haven't played the game and know absolutely nothing of what you're talking about. I never once said that the FAQs you've been reading are wrong. I'm telling you that you are wrong.

Then how would you explain these ?

Taken from IGN

*Now that the Reaver is fully awakened it no longer sustains Raziel and in fact
is a sentient parasite competing for control.

If used against enemies, the Reaver would consume their souls, preventing Raziel from doing so.*



Well that would mean the ending make no sense since of what is following.

Taken from gamefaqs.com

*Ending-

The wraith blade comes back, because Moebius' staff is no longer in range to disable it. The Wraith Blade, longing for it's home that it lived in for centuries, attaches itself to the fully aroused Blood Reaver. With the two together, both become fully aroused and hungry, so it tries to eat the closest entity in the room....this being only Raziel. Raziel doesn't stab himself, the Reaver blade basically has a mind of it's own more or less. What is supposed to happen is that Raziel gets sucked into the empty shell of the Blood Reaver and becomes the Wraith Blade. However, since Kain is present at the end, he waits until a paradox is created when Raziel is both inside and outside of the reaver. This allows Kain to have free will for a temporary moment and he alters history by saving Raziel.*

Anyway raziel not being able to use his range attack against Sonic (insta-Shield) and him retreating to prevent Sonic attack would just end up in a draw. Considering Raziel would end up damaging himself by using his range attack. I would guess the winner in a draw is the one that took less damage and that would be Sonic.

Kuja, I already explained "those." I've been explaining them to you all along, but you continue to ingore everything I say. I gave you proof, irrefutable and undeniable, and you completely ingored it. All of your arguments are based on assumption and conjecture. Mine are based on fact. I've shown this to you numerous times, you just refuse to accept it.

This fight is over, one way or another. You're not listening to a damn thing I say, and it frankly no longer matters. The votes are in and the winner has been decided. Check the Bracket Thread.