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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:06 PM
I need a Thesis statement for a paper by tommorow.

the time period is basically 1763-1920.... i have to be able to make an arguement... so soemone please give me a thesis that I can prove and maybe how i can do it. It CAN NOT be military oriented.

Here is one of his examples: Industrialists who gained fabulous wealth attained their positions through ruthless tactics.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:16 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
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I need a Thesis statement for a paper by tommorow.

the time period is basically 1763-1920.... i have to be able to make an arguement... so soemone please give me a thesis that I can prove and maybe how i can do it. It CAN NOT be military oriented.

Here is one of his examples: Industrialists who gained fabulous wealth attained their positions through ruthless tactics.
Just disprove that thesis example... during the Industrial Revolution (early 19th century) there were tons of industrialists who got rich through innovation... Henry Ford, for example.

Or you could do like, slavery (and later the Civil War) stems from the fact that the American colonists were a bunch of overfed snobs who were too lazy to support their own country so they brought in millions of Africans.

It's true.. they had the highest quality of life before and after the Revolution.

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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:19 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
That's a solid choice... hah, so obvious. Thanks, I'll probably use it.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:19 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
Teachers usually don't like you using thier examples in any way shape or form. But then again it depends on the teacher.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:22 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "Teachers usually don't like you using..."
Well, there are tons of people doing the industrial revolution... and guys like John D. Rockefeller... It wouldn't be his thesis, it'd be different... much more different than alot of people's thesises.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:22 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
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Just disprove that thesis example... during the Industrial Revolution (early 19th century) there were tons of industrialists who got rich through innovation... Henry Ford, for example.
Well, it really depends on how you describe ruthlessness. In my eyes, most of them were pretty ruthless, even Ford. After his introduction of the assembly line, he was hiring and firing people at an astonishing rate. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I could look them up for you. Other's used tactics that were considered ruthless as well, such as trusts and other things. If I were going to use that thesis, I would just try to prove it.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:27 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, it really depends on how you..."
Yeah there are probably more examples of ruthless than not... the way it was phrased in the first post it sounded like an "if rich industriast then ruthless" sort of statement.

I can't wait to take AP American next year :P
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:32 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Yeah there are probably more examples..."
I don't know what to do, I'm just pulling a few straws here.

One, how about trying to prove/disprove Fredrick Jackson Turner's thesis on the frontier.

Two, we all know that in the 1860s-1880s the Klan used scare tactics to discourage black people from voting, and to just keep them down, basically. What made the situation so bad for the southern white folks that they had to resort to violence. Was it necessary, or not? Formulate a thesis, and prove/disprove. I don't know much about which way you would go, since I guess this is more of an opinion.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 09:51 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't know what to do, I'm just..."
I don't think it was neccesary, to... oppress black people... but where would I go with that?... Gah, damn I suck at this.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:22 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda book have you guys been reading?

THE REAL SLAVE BRINGERS WERE THE JEWS! (You know, the guys who have been expelled from nations over 200 times for their atrocities) Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrociti...ip-owners.html

Both whites and blacks owned slaves! Source: http://americancivilwar.com/authors/...laveowners.htm

Benjamin Franklin and George Washington both warned of the Jews:

1778 – Benjamin Franklin’s statement on Jewish immigration at the First Constitutional Convention:


In what ever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by rejecting its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.


For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But, gentlemen, did the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other peoples not of their race.


If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.


If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendents will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.


Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they never will be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not, even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by the Constitution.”

Source: http://christiansbiblestudy.org/hitler_nonracist.htm

Did Abraham Lincoln really support multi-culturism? Of course not!

Abraham Lincoln
16th President of the United States

"I will say, then, that I am not nor have I ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race."

Abraham Lincoln
16th President of the United States

"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated."

Lynchings? Let's compare the black-on-white crimes today compared to those 3,000 or so "lynchings"

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/hatecrimes.html

Why don't you hear about these hate crimes? Because the media is controlled by Jews, the Black man's best friend!

Blacks and rap:

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/blackquotes.html
http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/raplyrics.html

Jews admitting they control America:

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/jewquotes.html

Affirmative action, at face value, seems like it would promote equality, but in practice it doesn't. Affirmative action is really nothing more that a glorified quota system that scares employers into hiring Negros and other races that they wouldn't otherwise hire. Most employers are afraid if they don't they will be sued for discrimination if they don't hire the Negro.

There you have it, my friends. Do you really find it fair that MLK (a raping communist liar SOURCE: http://www.greaterthings.com/Editorial/MartinLuther.htm) is the only man besides Jesus who gets his own holiday in America?


Do you really find it fair that blacks get their own month and their own television station? Do you really find it fair that anyone who yells "White Pride !" is deemed a racist when somebody who yells "Black Pride!" is patted on the back. Do you really think Affirmitive Action is fair? IMO, an employer should be allowed to hire whomever he/she wants to hire. It would be better for the business. Government has no business telling us how to run our businesses, especially considering that they can't even run the government right.

The Jews controlled Clinton ( SOURCE: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/clilist.htm), so I assume old George was correct. The Jews really do control America. ( it is now about 200 years later)

While you all continue teaching white guilt lies, the Jews are patting themselves on the backs.

Would you call George Washington a racist bigot, too? If you would, we might as well just give these lands back to the Indians.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:26 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit of a racist on our hands here. Just to let you know, from what I have seen almost everyone here hates racists.
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From reading your other post, LOL you seem to have already pissed of the football fans. Its too bad new members are always annoying, or most of them

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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:58 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit..."
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Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit of a racist on our hands here. Just to let you know, from what I have seen almost everyone here hates racists.
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From reading your other post, LOL you seem to have already pissed of the football fans. Its too bad new members are always annoying, or most of them
Does that make B. Franklin, G. Washington, and A. Lincoln racist, too? Go smoke some more weed, degenerate.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 05:14 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Does that make B. Franklin, G...."
So what games do you play zonalon?
Good idea I think I will. And we should give the land back to the Natives anyways. I don't know if its fair that Blacks have thier own month, and blah blah blah. But I do know that the "white" man is an evil, corporate, greedy, bunch of racist, ignorant, war lords. And if what you say is true, which it may be to an extant, then Ya I would say that Franklin and Washington, and a bunch of our other "founders" were racist.
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many people do alot of bad things, but they may also do wonderfull things, Martin Luther King did the blacks a great favor, therefore he deserves recognition

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/blackquotes.html
These quotes on this site do not in anyway represent African Americans as a whole. Many a white man has said many a evil thing about many a people. They do not represent me and the way I think.
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Do you really find it fair that blacks get their own month and their own television station? Do you really find it fair that anyone who yells "White Pride !" is deemed a racist when somebody who yells "Black Pride!" is patted on the back. Do you really think Affirmitive Action is fair? IMO, an employer should be allowed to hire whomever he/she wants to hire. It would be better for the business. Government has no business telling us how to run our businesses, especially considering that they can't even run the government right.
I find this all fair, considering that every other month of the year is white month! Every TV station is for whites, or was found for them. There is nothing wrong w/ having pride in your heritage, white or black IMO. An employer is allowed to hire whomever they want, and they do, if its for the better of the company.

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Posted 2005-02-11, 05:43 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
Hmm, I'm guessing only 1% racist. Seems to love jews!
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Posted 2005-02-11, 09:00 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
I don't know what to say, "zonalon."

First off, are you new here?

Secondly, everyone knows Lincoln wasn't a saint in particular. But he still did try to preserve the union, and that is important.

Third, do you believe the holocaust never happened? Just wondering.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 09:03 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I don't know what to say, "zonalon." ..."
Some1 Ip check?
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Posted 2005-02-11, 01:26 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
1763 huh? How about disproving the "Dunning School" arguement that white Northerners that came to the South during reconstruction were all Carpetbaggers who came with their black pawns to loot, pillage, and exploit the decent, good, and noble white southerners.

Or you could do something on Southern Violence and Lynching in the country during that time period. Infinite information on that. Something like 4,700+ known lynchings between Presidential Reconstruction and 1968. And this isn't just in the South. This happened in places like Ohio and Illinois as well. Ida Wells was a black investigative reporter that worked in the 1870-90s by taking information from Southern newspapes. During Democratic rule, white supremacy ran rampant. Southern newspaper would actually advertise lynchings, and sometimes thousands of spectators would come. People would take pictures and send postcards of the hanging burned and contorted bodies, usually with them standing next to it with a cute caption like "We had a barbeque last night." In Georgia, an ad was run in newspapers for a train ride to an upcoming lynching of a black man, and box lunches would be provided. During lynchings, it was not uncommon for churches and schools to close for people to attend. When they dismembered the victim before killing them, they usually handed out fingers/eyes/genitals as party favors. And it goes on and on and on.

Or if you don't know what I'm talking about though, don't bother.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 03:39 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
They had kids crawling into small spaces that adults and animal's couldn't (to fix something, perhaps). Workers, extremely underpaid, worked for 14-16 hours a day I believe. Lots of people got black lungs, and they had to live in tenemants (Atleast that's what I think they were called).
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