Diablo 2 Patch 1.13c

It isn't too bad if you don't play it to "be the best". I enjoy leveling characters, and doing dungeons. The gear is a nice bonus for me, but I'm not one of those people that is running dungeons just so I can get better gear. I find I enjoy the game more that way.

Kinda like how when I play Diablo 2 I play legit through the levels rather than just getting rushed. I end up finding most of the gear I need, or enough to trade for the gear I need (if I let myself do that, sometimes I don't.)

When you turn a game into work, it is just that, work. I don't play games to work.

yeah if you play the game to actually enjoy the game you can take a lot more from it through storylines and game content. They have dumbed it down to an extremely mind-numbing level, but it's still entertaining. They need to bring back legitimate world PVP.

The game is what you make it, basically. If it's nothing but a "constant gear grind" it's because you're making it that, in my opinion. Sometimes I like to just run around and see if I can find places I haven't been to before. Sometimes I like to go help lowbies do quests or something. Sometimes I like running dungeons and sometimes I like doing PVP. But in general, if I find that I'm not having fun doing something, I'll stop doing it and do something else.

But in general, if I find that I'm not having fun doing something, I'll stop doing it and do something else.

Exactly. Why play any game if you aren't having fun? If you aren't having fun playing a game then you're working, and working for free.

It's almost impossible to not have to work in WoW. First the game is created to really open up at top level. Once you hit that top level it's impossible to keep progressing (ie. gear) by yourself, because the endgame is purely multiplayer. You NEED many other players to really do anything, besides getting rich. You can't join a guild because all the ones that are worthwhile are a bunch of elitist assholes. So you have to be as good as them to even get in. So where do you start!?... Don't even get me started on rolling a DPS toon either! If you can't tank or heal you're basically worthless..
Of course I'm generalizing, but I'm pretty sure all new players face this. It's very frustrating.

not to get off subject in this thread but:

It's almost impossible to not have to work in WoW. First the game is created to really open up at top level.

Yes, there are a lot of things available end-game, but there is still a plethora of content in the beginning, middle, and end of the game. You just have to explore as K_A mentioned and work around in maybe no-so conventional ways.

Once you hit that top level it's impossible to keep progressing (ie. gear) by yourself, because the endgame is purely multiplayer.

You can quest entirely 'til 70, given it may take a little longer, but even if you do manage to get end-game without any help you can still PVP/run instances with the dungeon finder and be paired with other random players accross several servers.

You NEED many other players to really do anything, besides getting rich. You can't join a guild because all the ones that are worthwhile are a bunch of elitist assholes.

Like what? You may need it to run end-game instances, but that's it. Like I just mentioned, the dungeon finder is great for anything from lvl (15?)-til end game. I've leveled a mage from 0-65 in basically two months playing fairly infrequently, and without any help from any higher end guilds, or players. I've already had a few end game characters, and it was not any more boring than it had before, if anything it is much easier to hit end game now as it was compared to before the influx of retards.

So you have to be as good as them to even get in. So where do you start!?... Don't even get me started on rolling a DPS toon either! If you can't tank or heal you're basically worthless..

Not true. You just sound like you've had some bad experiences or something. Maybe you could try finding some cool people throughout the game, and add them to your friends list. Find out when they play, use some 'social interaction' to make some friends to quest and level with. Form a guild with them. Just negatively bashing all aspects of the game is obviously going to give you that same effect.

Heh. Mmk dev. I know all the good points of the game. I LOVED leveling my first toon, a rogue to 80. It's just after I hit 80 it was awesome and a bit of a let down. Anyways, it's an amazing game no doubt.