The Notorious Clockmaker

I forgot to add the part where it manifested as a White Hole in our universe. Stupid work and distracting me.

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is:

1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc.
2. How perfect an organism is.
3. How complicated even the human eye is
4. How complicated the Human brain is

To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

My response will most likely be done this weekend. Sorry to keep this dragging on, I'm just short of time at the moment.

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is: 1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc. 2. How perfect an organism is. 3. How complicated even the human eye is 4. How complicated the Human brain is To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

It is pretty hard to get your mind around, that's for sure.

Gahh! I need more time to type up a proper response. I was looking forward to this thread. :-\

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is: 1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc. 2. How perfect an organism is. 3. How complicated even the human eye is 4. How complicated the Human brain is To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.
2. Nothing is perfect because perfect is a label just like evil and good thus the standard is ever changing.
3. The human eye is trash compared to other eyes and it's not really as complicated as people think.
4. The human brain is the same as the human eye. It's not that complicated. Of course the word complicated is like the word perfect. A label we use thats standards are ever changing.

Now for a mind blowing theory. What if this being people beileve in is actually multiple beings? Like a swarm of Gnomes or Lizards that exist on a plane of time so different than our own that they are the tool using race rather than humans, and that they decided to simply fuck around? Or what if it's a terrorist attempt to cause us to kill ourselves so they can come in and take over when we obliterate ourselves? OR maybe it's just a flying invisible hand like in Black and White that messes around with shit and is being controlled by these beings because we are really just one complex video game that they play on a daily basis? Your "supreme being" or "supreme powers" are much to full of holes for everyone to simply accept blindly. Just like other theories.

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.

You should check out this idea called "Mass-Energy Equivalence".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence

Short version: Nothing is wasted or destroyed, it merely changes form.

2. Nothing is perfect because perfect is a label just like evil and good thus the standard is ever changing.

I think he meant how well everything works together in an organism, but you can be obstinately technical.

3. The human eye is trash compared to other eyes and it's not really as complicated as people think.

That's one reason he used it as an example, he's saying that complicated organs and such having evolved like that purely by chance is pretty unbelievable.

4. The human brain is the same as the human eye. It's not that complicated. Of course the word complicated is like the word perfect. A label we use thats standards are ever changing.

I'm sure if you could share your complete and detailed mapping of the human brain, the scientific community would love to see it.

Now for a mind blowing theory. What if this being people beileve in is actually multiple beings? Like a swarm of Gnomes or Lizards that exist on a plane of time so different than our own that they are the tool using race rather than humans, and that they decided to simply fuck around? Or what if it's a terrorist attempt to cause us to kill ourselves so they can come in and take over when we obliterate ourselves? OR maybe it's just a flying invisible hand like in Black and White that messes around with shit and is being controlled by these beings because we are really just one complex video game that they play on a daily basis? Your "supreme being" or "supreme powers" are much to full of holes for everyone to simply accept blindly. Just like other theories.

Most children have already thought of these "theories", and they weren't exactly mind-blowing then.

You should check out this idea called "Mass-Energy Equivalence". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence Short version: Nothing is wasted or destroyed, it merely changes form. I think he meant how well everything works together in an organism, but you can be obstinately technical. That's one reason he used it as an example, he's saying that complicated organs and such having evolved like that purely by chance is pretty unbelievable. I'm sure if you could share your complete and detailed mapping of the human brain, the scientific community would love to see it. Most children have already thought of these "theories", and they weren't exactly mind-blowing then.

1.If you can find a use for what we call waste then I will concede that point but I doubt you can.

2. Last time I checked organisms didn't work so well. In fact that's why they have so many problems.

3. According to any theory nothing was random it was an intentional change in an attempt to adapt.

4. Do I need to? Last night a Neurologist did it and many others did it before he did.


Children do not think of things like that and if they did then that goes to show you that my way deals less psychological damage then yours does. That would be Pragmatist and yours is uhm what? Dirty Ass Kissing Butt Bitch to something that can't even defend itself? Oh Yeah! Those are called Deists!

1.If you can find a use for what we call waste then I will concede that point but I doubt you can.

What do you consider waste? The way you were talking you make it sound like in Alchemy and everything you get a 100% conversion ratio, which is impossible to our current knowledge, just like a frictionless surface. Waste is at minimum generated as heat in any chemical reaction.

2. Last time I checked organisms didn't work so well. In fact that's why they have so many problems.

You just redefined 'oblivious' as well as 'ungrateful'. Wow.

3. According to any theory nothing was random it was an intentional change in an attempt to adapt.

/sigh You missed the point again. He's saying that the human eye alone is too complicated for it to have evolved naturally in his opinion, and thus thinks that God designed it.

4. Do I need to? Last night a Neurologist did it and many others did it before he did.

We only know the most basic information on how the human brain works, we still have NO clue about anything beyond the basic functions of it, especially concerning higher consciousness. I guess I should have made it more obvious that the map I requested would be similar to the map that may eventually be known about the human genome (meaning a complete map of all functions and more).

Children do not think of things like that and if they did then that goes to show you that my way deals less psychological damage then yours does. That would be Pragmatist and yours is uhm what? Dirty Ass Kissing Butt Bitch to something that can't even defend itself? Oh Yeah! Those are called Deists!

Children with imaginations do. I thought of a lot of those kinds of things before I entered Junior High School, and your statement about pragmatism and whatever doesn't appear to be in coherent english, but I can only assume you're trying to insult me. Please do so coherently if you're trying to make someone other than yourself look stupid.

How laughable...speaking like Kelsy Grammar just so you can make yourself feel good about yourself...so you can feel all special inside...why would you make yourself into something so pathetic?

I bet you would eat a sandwich with a fork and knife too. No you are a glorified ass kisser and the only one who sounds stupid is the person who tries to act like something he isn't so he can feel important...face reality you poser and learn from things rather than lumping them all together as magical and unexplainable.

1. I see you failed to support your own words. Try again.

2. You should know by now if you're truly in tune with anything as intelligent as you claim it is that nothing is perfect. Try again.

3. According to you evolution is only possible to a certain extent. This is not true according to studies and various experiments. Try again.

4. Once again you have me saying. Try again. Already been done. If you took the time to go to a country where every little bit of human research isn't shot down by a bunch of people who can't accept reality you would know this...well no you wouldn't because you aren't even on par with the average retard in some foreign countries.

Now here is my real question poser. Why? Why do you resort to mass escapism? You try so hard to evade known facts and you never try to find out about the unknown ones. You look at things you don't understand and dismiss them as magic that is unexplainable. Why do you torture yourself with some stupid charade that will get you nowhere? You waste your life trying to avoid reality, why? What scares you about reality so much that you resort to such grand escapism?

Answer these questions and I might grant you another post. Otherwise I refuse to communicate with you since all you would be is a little boy who can't take a close look at reality.

And for the love of your parents stop acting like Grav. No one really talks like Kelsy Grammar and no one ever will because it was made as a sitcom and nothing else. Stop pretending you aren't a hillbilly and trying to make yourself feel good with more escapism...

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.

This point blatantly denies physics.

Also, alchemy has been discredited since the middle ages except by the eccentric.

4. Do I need to? Last night a Neurologist did it and many others did it before he did.

Again, not true. The human brain is not well known at all. However I will concede that whether or not it's complicated is subjective. It is probably the most difficult biological structure to understand, though.

Children do not think of things like that

I did.

You should know by now if you're truly in tune with anything as intelligent as you claim it is that nothing is perfect. Try again.

My perfection is a live contradiction of your statement.

You look at things you don't understand and dismiss them as magic that is unexplainable.

What exactly are you talking about?