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Posted 2006-06-13, 12:25 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "It was only the basic kinds of LAND..."
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No actually its ony a few hundred thousand and they can all be named in about 2 hours.
You have two hours. Name them all. Also, even if all the animals were babes, they would still take up more room than a boat that's only 500ft long and 50ft high...
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Posted 2006-06-13, 12:32 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "You have two hours. Name them all...."
Jessifer said:
You have two hours. Name them all.
no thanks. but others have.

Jessifer said:
Also, even if all the animals were babes, they would still take up more room than a boat that's only 500ft long and 50ft high...
no, because it was not Every single species. only the Basic Kinds of land animals.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 08:54 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "no thanks. but others have. no,..."
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no, because it was not Every single species. only the Basic Kinds of land animals.
So, then you say there is evolution eh?
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Posted 2006-06-13, 12:37 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "You have two hours. Name them all...."
Jessifer said:
You have two hours. Name them all. Also, even if all the animals were babes, they would still take up more room than a boat that's only 500ft long and 50ft high...
"Scientists who study animal life are called zoologosts. They have recorded 20,000 species of fish, 6,000 species of reptiles, 9,000 birds, 1,000 amphibians, and 15,000 species of mammals."
http://www.worldstory.net/en/species.html

notice it says SPECIES. SPECIES are not kinds.

Break those numbers down considerably...you have your answers.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 12:42 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting ""Scientists who study animal life are..."
Maybe I should start making my sarcastic comments more noticable...
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Posted 2006-06-13, 12:45 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "You have two hours. Name them all...."
Jessifer said:
a boat that's only 500ft long and 50ft high...
Actually it was an ark. A boat is made for traveling, an ark is made for floating.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 01:10 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "Actually it was an ark. A boat is made..."
Tch. Dictionary.com says this, and the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary says this.

A boat is an ark is a boat is an ark. Lovely linkage for you.

And, excuse me as I break out my own Bible, (Yes, I do own one. Twas my mothers.) it says in Genesis 7:2 that God told Noah to take seven pairs of every "clean" animal ("the male and his female", as it says), and one pair of every "unclean" animal. In Gen 7:3 it says "Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female". SO, Noah did not take one pair of every "kind" of animal, instead there were many more than you claim.

And finally...in Gen 7:8 it says: Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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Posted 2006-06-13, 08:50 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "Tch. Dictionary.com says this,..."
Jessifer said:
Tch. Dictionary.com says this, and the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary says this.

A boat is an ark is a boat is an ark. Lovely linkage for you.

And, excuse me as I break out my own Bible, (Yes, I do own one. Twas my mothers.) it says in Genesis 7:2 that God told Noah to take seven pairs of every "clean" animal ("the male and his female", as it says), and one pair of every "unclean" animal. In Gen 7:3 it says "Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female". SO, Noah did not take one pair of every "kind" of animal, instead there were many more than you claim.

And finally...in Gen 7:8 it says: Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The word ark in the original greek is tebah: it could means something pitch coated, a certain material, a life preserver, or a certain shape.

and nice verses, but hold on there ..go back to chapter 6...

6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every SORT shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

6:20 Of fowls after their KIND, and of cattle after their KIND, of every creeping thing of the earth after his KIND, TWO of every SORT shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

6:21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

6:22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

Then in chapter 7...God further devides the KINDS from chapter 6 into clean and unclean...not really hard to understand.

7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens *, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens *, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

*sevens and twos in the hebrew literaly means three pairs plus one extra. This is prefered over seven pairs which would total 14 in number. The extra animal was used for a sacrifice after the flood in Genesis 8:20.

Again as i said before, it all makes sense if you just read around.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 01:54 PM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "Actually it was an ark. A boat is made..."
What about dinosaurs? If god created the earth and flung two humans down on it soon after what about all the billions of years before there was man?

Where did your deity come from also? If we had to of come from somewhere, if the earth had to of been created at one point, where did the supreme being come from. He couldn't have just existed since the beginning of forever.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 06:06 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "What about dinosaurs? If god created..."
Teaching creationism in school is the first step to starting a new series of crusades. Mark my words, it is a bad idea.
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Posted 2006-06-13, 09:19 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "What about dinosaurs? If god created..."
Kaneda said:
What about dinosaurs? If god created the earth and flung two humans down on it soon after what about all the billions of years before there was man?
billions? That is another topic...

dinosaurs were created and dwelled and lived with man. They all over the bible but not obviously called dinosaurs.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...nd+dinos aurs

Many questions will be answered if we focus on one question, “When did they live?” Two quite different answers are usually given. Evolutionists say dinosaurs lived, died, and became extinct at least 60 million years before man evolved. Others believe God created all living things during the creation week, so man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. If we look at the evidence, sorting out these two very different answers should be easy.

Did dinosaurs become extinct at least 60 million years before man evolved? Almost all textbooks that address the subject say they did. Movies and television vividly portray this. One hears it even at Disney World and other amusement parks. Some will say that every educated person believes this. We frequently hear stories that begin with impressive-sounding phrases such as, “Two hundred million years ago, as dinosaurs ruled the earth, ...” But none of this is evidence; some of it is an appeal to authority. (Evidence must be observable and verifiable.)

Did man and dinosaurs live at the same time? Scientists in the former Soviet Union have reported a layer of rock containing more than 2,000 dinosaur footprints alongside tracks “resembling human footprints.” Obviously, both types of footprints were made in mud or sand that later hardened into rock. If some are human footprints, then man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. Similar discoveries have been made in Arizona. Were it not for the theory of evolution, few would doubt that these were human footprints.

Soft dinosaur tissue has now been recovered from several dinosaurs: three tyrannosaurs (T rex) and one hadrosaur. It is ridiculous to believe that soft tissue can be preserved for more than 60,000,000 years, but it could be preserved for 5,000 years.

The Book of Job is one of the oldest books ever written. In it, God tells of His greatness as Creator and describes an animal, called Behemoth, as follows:

Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, And his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron.

Behemoth had a “tail like a cedar.” Any animal with a tail as huge and strong as a cedar tree is probably a dinosaur. Also, Job 40:19–24 says this giant, difficult-to-capture animal was not alarmed by a raging river. If the writer of Job knew of a dinosaur, then the evolution position is wrong, and man saw dinosaurs.

The fact that drawings and ancient pottery with dinosaurs on them are further proof that man dwelt with dinosaurs, having that they never saw a fossil or a textbook!

The next chapter of Job describes another huge, fierce animal, a sea monster named Leviathan.3 It was not a whale or crocodile, because the Hebrew language had other words to describe such animals. Leviathan may be a plesiosaur (PLEE see uh sore), a large seagoing reptile that evolutionists say became extinct 60 million years before man evolved.

For the past three centuries, reports have come from the Congo in western Africa that dinosaurs exist in remote swamps. Eyewitness stories are often from educated people who can quickly describe dinosaurs. Two expeditions to the Congo, led by biologist Dr. Roy Mackal of the University of Chicago, never saw dinosaurs, but interviewed many of these witnesses and concluded that their reports were about dinosaurs and were apparently true.5 If any of these accounts are correct, man and dinosaurs were contemporaries.

Consider the many dragon legends. Most ancient cultures have stories or artwork of dragons that strongly resemble dinosaurs. The World Book Encyclopedia states that:

The dragons of legend are strangely like actual creatures that have lived in the past. They are much like the great reptiles [dinosaurs] which inhabited the earth long before man is supposed to have appeared on earth. Dragons were generally evil and destructive. Every country had them in its mythology.

The simplest and most obvious explanation for so many common descriptions of dragons from around the world is that man once knew the dinosaurs.

What caused the extinction of dinosaurs? Primarily, the flood. Because dinosaur bones are found among other fossils, dinosaurs must have been living when the flood began. Dozens of other dinosaur extinction theories exist, but all have recognized problems. Most of the food chain was buried in the flood. Therefore, many large dinosaurs that survived the flood probably had difficulty feeding themselves and became extinct. also, after the flood for hundreds of years they were probably hunted off because of survival purposes.

Were dinosaurs on the Ark? Yes. God told Noah to put representatives of every kind of land animal on the Ark. (Some dinosaurs were semiaquatic and could have survived outside the Ark.) But why put adult dinosaurs on the Ark? Young dinosaurs would take up less room, eat less, and be easier to manage. The purpose for having animals on board was so they could reproduce after the flood and repopulate the earth. Young dinosaurs would have more potential for reproduction than old dinosaurs.

Certain bones in dinosaur bodies show annual growth rings, as trees do. Dinosaurs, early in life and late in life, grew at very slow rates. During mid-life, they went through huge growth spurts. Therefore, during the year dinosaurs were on the Ark, juveniles probably weighed less than 60 pounds. (A 2-year-old T rex weighed 66 pounds. The largest T rex known, lived to be 28 years. Dinosaurs did not become large because they lived long lives.


Kaneda said:
Where did your deity come from also? If we had to of come from somewhere, if the earth had to of been created at one point, where did the supreme being come from. He couldn't have just existed since the beginning of forever.
God the creator is outside of time considering time itself is irrelevant
and is dependent completely on gravity and mass.

In Genesis, God created all that is in this physical dimension, including time because of the above. That which has no mass, has no time. Like information or a memory, it doesnt age and is not subject to gravity or death or whatever else you can touch in this physical realm. God is outside of time. That which has no mass, has no time.

God created both.

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Posted 2008-04-11, 04:43 AM in reply to ~JESUS~'s post starting "billions? That is another topic... ..."
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dinosaurs were created and dwelled and lived with man. They all over the bible but not obviously called dinosaurs.
Jesus Christ, when will you fuckers understand that the Flintstones was not meant to be a documentary?
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Posted 2008-05-19, 05:42 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Jesus Christ, when will you fuckers..."
Nice. BTW, Thanks a lot MJ. I am just now writing an essay on this subject and your posts really have helped me along.
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Posted 2008-05-19, 05:56 PM in reply to Asamin's post starting "Nice. BTW, Thanks a lot MJ. I am just..."
Asamin said:
Nice. BTW, Thanks a lot MJ. I am just now writing an essay on this subject and your posts really have helped me along.
Heh, np.

I have a lot more information in the other thread: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41798

I'd be interested in reading your essay.
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Posted 2008-05-19, 06:02 PM in reply to Asamin's post starting "Nice. BTW, Thanks a lot MJ. I am just..."
Also, you could try this one: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44145
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