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Posted 2006-01-31, 10:26 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "The point isn't to ask dumb questions. ..."
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The point isn't to ask dumb questions. It's to allow complete freedom. If you can think of a clever, creative way to defeat a particularly strong enemy, then you're allowed to do so. Usually, you're even rewarded specially for doing it. Now, for a player to be able to do that on a pre-programmed game, the programmers would have to have thought of every possible creative solution in existence (not even remotely possible).
- first off i was being sarcastic when i said the part about the dumb questions.
- second the whole point of AI is that the comp can think for itself. it will be like talking to/with another person.
- third if a computer can think for itself then there is no need for the programmer to program in every creative solution in the possible world.
- fourth you can't prove that something can't be ever done(unless you're extremely specific). they thought that a person couldn't jump several feet off the ground, but on the moon, it can be done. but they didn't know that back then, did they?
- fifth and lastly, if you live in a world where not everything is possible, then it never will be and you will be living in the past no matter what you say.

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Posted 2006-02-01, 07:38 AM in reply to sciencekid's post starting "- first off i was being sarcastic when..."
The computer AI would have to be extremely advanced. As long as it can deal with modern language, misspelling, voice interpretation, slang, l337 speak, nerd talk, completely stupid things, completely rational things, things that fall in between the two, and can discern the difference in actions that you can do, actions that you can try to do in certain circumstances, and actions that nobody would ever be allowed to do on the fly, then yes, it might work.

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If I live in a world where some things are impossible, then I'll be living in the past?
What the fuck are you takling about?
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Posted 2006-02-01, 01:31 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "The computer AI would have to be..."
almost all things come in the form of steps. most of the time things don't just happen out of nothing (although some do), things have to be gradually worked into existence. that's what im trying to do; work things up gradually.

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think about it for a second. the main reason why new things are invented, are because ppl did things that others thought was impossible. the past is characterized by the technology of that era. therefore, in a sense, those ppl who thought that certain things are impossible, and now are possible, are left behind in the past.
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Posted 2006-02-02, 07:35 AM in reply to sciencekid's post starting "almost all things come in the form of..."
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almost all things come in the form of steps. most of the time things don't just happen out of nothing (although some do), things have to be gradually worked into existence. that's what im trying to do; work things up gradually.

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think about it for a second. the main reason why new things are invented, are because ppl did things that others thought was impossible. the past is characterized by the technology of that era. therefore, in a sense, those ppl who thought that certain things are impossible, and now are possible, are left behind in the past.
Uhhh if the past is characterized by the technology of that era... Then we are living in the past. I mean... Cars are a thing of the past. Hey so are pens and pencils! Computers are also. w00t its the 80s.
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Posted 2006-02-02, 08:09 AM in reply to pr0xy's post starting "Uhhh if the past is characterized by..."
Okay just to reply to your previous statement, now that I know wtf you're talking about, you're wrong. If you're saying that I'm living in the past because I say that a programmer can't come up with every possible event, then you're completely delusional.
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Posted 2006-02-02, 01:40 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "Okay just to reply to your previous..."
pr0xy: there are new types of cars aren't there? and i'm not saying that the era is defined by every single invention existing in that era, otherwise you'd be right. what i meant by that was the newest types of technology. for example the invention of the cotten gin, or the light bulb. even the atomic bomb. things that change how things are done here in the world, for one. significant things.

Medieval Bob: close but still no cigar. you're making a connection between two things that are similar but not quite getting what I meant. now i might not be explaining my views very well, or maybe i was using the wrong words, but here goes: if you look in the past the ppl who don't think that certain things are possible and then it's suddenly possible, get proven wrong, and are left in the history books as the ppl with no faith or whatever. basicly they are left behind in the past..... understand now?
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Posted 2006-02-02, 02:38 PM in reply to sciencekid's post starting "pr0xy: there are new types of cars..."
I understand fine, but my point was and is that my statement of impossibility stands. If your objection was to something other than what you implied, then you need to be more specific when you tell someone they're wrong. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how well explained your point is. You're not disputing what we're actually talking about.
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