There needs to be changes.

I've tried with my ideas, though being shutdown by shitstained members (who are very immature and bilidgerant: Sov and Grav, which I still don't understand how either of them can be fucking Mods.) Leadership is something you have to earn, people have to want to follow you, this is why I am once again suggesting a staff swap around, Get rid of the shitty staff members like Sov and Grav who post random bullshit on the forums all day and turn back around and say it's not allowed.

Leadership is not going to come from Sov or Grav....you need to look elsewhere.

You know that 50% of your posts consist of yourself whining about either myself or Grav?

And leadership? Wtf am I, your role model? I clean up shit from the forums, that is my ONLY job. I'm not your role modle or anyone elses.

My job:

Clean Threads
Ban idiots
Help in the TTTS forum.

Now I'm not too sure if you remember, but some time ago it was said that staff would be treated like members. They would be the same, no special treatment. Just because I have a nifty little title under my user name doesnt mean I have some obligation to post 100% serious on topic world changing event information. If I'm getting out of hand, or doing something wrong, a moderator or admin will tell me and I will adjust it.

You are neither. YOU are categorized into a group called staff wannabe's. You blindly point at my posts and claim they are breaking the rules when most then time they clearly arent. You keep telling me I'm breaking rules or flaming when I am not. Get it through your head. Calling someone a fucking retard isnt flaming.

Zelaron has THREE admins. Chruser can always be contacted on aim, and wetwired is around a good deal. If ANY of the staff were doign harm to the forum, one of these thre people can be contacted to demod the person. Funny thing is, this has NEVER happened. (at least in the time that I've been here).\

You people are acting as though the whole staff always says no to every single idea as a group. That if one person says no, all say no. Has it ever occured to you guys that we work as a TEAM. All you have to do is convince ONE of us that its a good idea, and chances are MORE then likely that this person can convince the rest to go along.

There are 2 hidden staff only forums where any good ideas and or suggestions are brought up. Just because you don't SEE anything happening doesnt mean there ISNT anything happening.

Now if everyone things rule enforcement has to be stricter, tell me. However, the ONE thing that will NOT be tolerated is people BITCHING about when a staff makes a decision. If you can agree on that, I'll take care of the spam. If you just HATE a decision a staff member makes, (and you have to have a DAMN good reason d3v, it cant be because you didnt like when i closed a spam filled thread or some other random stupid shit you usually end up whining about, like a poll change), PM them and talk to them in a rational non agressive manner and the matter wil be taken care of.

You all are JUST as responsable as any staff member for the content and 'fun status' of this forum. If you want it better. Knock off the whining. Knock off the stupid shit, and all will get better.

You know that 50% of your posts consist of yourself whining about either myself or Grav? And leadership? Wtf am I, your role model? I clean up shit from the forums, that is my ONLY job. I'm not your role modle or anyone elses. My job: Clean Threads Ban idiots Help in the TTTS forum. Now I'm not too sure if you remember, but some time ago it was said that staff would be treated like members. They would be the same, no special treatment. Just because I have a nifty little title under my user name doesnt mean I have some obligation to post 100% serious on topic world changing event information. If I'm getting out of hand, or doing something wrong, a moderator or admin will tell me and I will adjust it. You are neither. YOU are categorized into a group called staff wannabe's. You blindly point at my posts and claim they are breaking the rules when most then time they clearly arent. You keep telling me I'm breaking rules or flaming when I am not. Get it through your head. Calling someone a fucking retard isnt flaming. Zelaron has THREE admins. Chruser can always be contacted on aim, and wetwired is around a good deal. If ANY of the staff were doign harm to the forum, one of these thre people can be contacted to demod the person. Funny thing is, this has NEVER happened. (at least in the time that I've been here).\ You people are acting as though the whole staff always says no to every single idea as a group. That if one person says no, all say no. Has it ever occured to you guys that we work as a TEAM. All you have to do is convince ONE of us that its a good idea, and chances are MORE then likely that this person can convince the rest to go along. There are 2 hidden staff only forums where any good ideas and or suggestions are brought up. Just because you don't SEE anything happening doesnt mean there ISNT anything happening. Now if everyone things rule enforcement has to be stricter, tell me. However, the ONE thing that will NOT be tolerated is people BITCHING about when a staff makes a decision. If you can agree on that, I'll take care of the spam. If you just HATE a decision a staff member makes, (and you have to have a DAMN good reason d3v, it cant be because you didnt like when i closed a spam filled thread or some other random stupid shit you usually end up whining about, like a poll change), PM them and talk to them in a rational non agressive manner and the matter wil be taken care of. You all are JUST as responsable as any staff member for the content and 'fun status' of this forum. If you want it better. Knock off the whining. Knock off the stupid shit, and all will get better.

I'm not even a staff wannabe, I'm a post-staff member that got the boot for calling somebody a nigger, and when rules are broken I bitch about them, and never get the same disciplinary action towards them.

Oh, and that one time you banned be for using profanity, nice shot below the belt.

If the title under your name doesn't mean shit, then please remove it, and turn the staff into a covert-type deal. Most of the time I bitch about a staff's decision is when it is unfair mainly towards me or anybody else in the argument. (Had several posts closed because they were anti-sov and a few that bashed the staff). SO I did end up PMming you and you deleted it, tried contacting you over aim you told me to fuck off blocked me..etc.etc. The Forums have gone to shit with you here Sov, as sup mod you lose, as you have not done anything positive for Zelaron.

As for Grav, he used to be a funny person in my opinion, then one day he got modded (for some thread that nobody knows of...iuno.) And he starts spamming every fucking reply he can with random bullshit that should be deleted according to the rules. I think you guys do need to crack down tighter on the bullshit and crackdown shit mainly besides chat forum, where bullshit is allowed.

I don't see how you can get off saying we are just as responsible for what goes on here, yes you are our role models (supposed to be...forum wise, so what do we look up to? A stupid fat loser hippie who smokes/drinks and lives in his mom's basement). But when one of you two, or any other staff member for that matter goes around bullshitting excessively, the members follow do the same, forums turn to hell, ban all.

Edit: Now that i'm done bitching and starting to think about it, Zel's problems will probably fix themselves in about 2 weeks when alot of southern schools go on Summer break.

Umm.. everybody gets off for summer break, not just southern schools.

I agree with LiveWire. He has some interesting points; listen to some. Try to spice up the forum. Yes, thank you for the stats, WW. They aren't what I thought they were going to be but at least it's something. Get the uShop hack or whatever it is. Do something.

Well, I've been watching this thread and not saying anything, but this is pretty much the reason these forums went down. Look at the inane babbling that's been going on. First of all, 99% of things suggested are not done, but there are some things that are done, so keep up with the suggestions. I've made quite a few of these type-threads, not much accomplished, but we did get the stats, and I'm not going to complain. At this point, spam is not bad. Unless somebody is going around and just posting multiple times to annoy people, spam is toleratable, especially in the chat/GC forum, in my opinion. I actually think that for quite a while Sov has been doing a pretty good job moderating.

I do have an idea, though. Is there any way that it would be possible to merge two forums? I don't mean something like the D2 hacking section and the D2 bots section, I mean like this site and another site?

Like what other site?

Like what other site?

Well, I'm not going to say now because I don't want to inadvertently say something that will offend someone, but I would like to know if that is possible, because that way we can get some more activity. I have a certain forum in mind, but lets see if it is possible first. If not, then there's no point going any further. I'm pretty sure nobody is going to object to the people of that forum. It's full of fairly intelligent people.

Lets wait a month or so because summer break is coming up and a lot of people are getting off school (Me 2), lets see if it makes a difference.

Lets wait a month or so because summer break is coming up and a lot of people are getting off school (Me 2), lets see if it makes a difference.

That is true, I'm sure there will be a bit of a rise in activity as summer roles around, but more activity would never hurt. It would certainly bring a lot more activity, and keep the forums from declining rapidly once summer is out. But there's no point debating about this yet because we don't even know (perhaps you do) whether or not it's doable, agreeable, and practical yet. I would like to know what WW has to say about this.

Oh, and that one time you banned be for using profanity, nice shot below the belt.

Kool I make mistakes. Guess I'm human.

If the title under your name doesn't mean shit, then please remove it, and turn the staff into a covert-type deal. Most of the time I bitch about a staff's decision is when it is unfair mainly towards me or anybody else in the argument. (Had several posts closed because they were anti-sov and a few that bashed the staff). SO I did end up PMming you and you deleted it, tried contacting you over aim you told me to fuck off blocked me..etc.etc. The Forums have gone to shit with you here Sov, as sup mod you lose, as you have not done anything positive for Zelaron.

Why make it covert. You allw ill Still no know whot he staff are. Those titles are there to make newer members know who staff are. Remove them for all I care itll do nothing. I tell you to fuck off over aim because you are annoying, and when you DO contact me, you whine. You keep on saying I've done nothing positive yet for over a year I have kept my position, while you have lost YOURS. By the way If you want to bring up lkittle isolated incidents of bad actions, I can probably find at least 50 towards you.

As for Grav, he used to be a funny person in my opinion, then one day he got modded (for some thread that nobody knows of...iuno.) And he starts spamming every fucking reply he can with random bullshit that should be deleted according to the rules. I think you guys do need to crack down tighter on the bullshit and crackdown shit mainly besides chat forum, where bullshit is allowed.

It was because he was voted wow guild leader...... a position that YOU guys voted for him.

I don't see how you can get off saying we are just as responsible for what goes on here, yes you are our role models (supposed to be...forum wise, so what do we look up to? A stupid fat loser hippie who smokes/drinks and lives in his mom's basement). But when one of you two, or any other staff member for that matter goes around bullshitting excessively, the members follow do the same, forums turn to hell, ban all.

I live upstairs. I don't smoke, and even If I did everyday It's none of your business. I dont even see wehre you're getting the mom's basement and drinking from. Wanna play a make believe game of false and irrelavant information? You know whatt this is called d3v, its called slander. As part of my new outlook on modding, if you continue to post slanderous material towards me, you will be temp banned.

I'm telling you it's not our jobs to be role models, and you're saying it is. Are you retarded? http://zelaron.com/forum/faq.php?faq...l#faq_diamonds
If you HONESTLY need a role modle for a forum, please close yoru eyes, and change your pw by randomly basing your keyboard. Same with the pw recovery email addy.

You are acting as though all members are mindless drones. Are you calling the whole forum stupid and mindless? Because I'm sure people have free will. People are just not posting they way you want, so you are looking for a scape goat and putting it on the staff for being 'bad role modles'. They are pretty much posting what they want when they want.

By the way, remember these events?
[02:46] Wanker22287: Dev...we have matching ips on the imposterchruser and one of yoru ip adresses....if it was you confess now and i promise it will only be a temp ban
[02:46] Wanker22287: no more then 3 days
[02:46] DevJeepCherokee: How did it match?
[02:47] Wanker22287: penguin can pull up a list of all the ip's you used. HE found a matching one
[02:47] DevJeepCherokee: Yeah, it was me, sorry for dragging you into it, but when he said that I was gonna get banned i freaked out and started lying , oh well, guess it can't be taken back, sorry

Or this incident when Ex temp banned you?

and said he's a superior lifeform than me cuz hes american?

That first one happened late in 2003 when i was a mod of STARCRAFT. I had no power other then a little forum I was trying to kick life into. The second one happened middle of last year when I was a strict straight edge mod. You have ALWAYS been like this, and I'm sure I can find exmaples of other people always acting they way they are now, before any of the current sup mods (minus james, you old fart!) were modded. Did my star craft roll modling cause you to do this? Because I was a LOT more strict and serious aboiut my job then then now. So OBVIOUSLY you don't look up to us. Why claim to.

Sov, there's no point arguing. You're in a position of power, at least at the forum, and there will almost always be critics. In my opinion, you're doing a fine job. The only thing I dislike about you is that you're not a Star Wars fan!

I'm intrigued. What is this other forum?

I agree that Sov is doing a good job, but if he is indeed ever ignoring anything rational that anyone tries to present to him (as D3V claims has been done) there are plenty of other staff you can speak to that don't have a rocky history with you.

I keep .txt documents of my pms when i clean them out. HERE are some of the pms ive gotten from him.

Titled "Case against sov" on 7-18-2004

Another major problem with Sovereign representing your site is he is a Drug Addict. He may not admit it, but he purchases/smokes Marijuana every time he has the money up for it. And you guys told me when I got banned you didnt' want Zelaron represented as a 'Racist' Forum , but you are willing to be represented as a pothead weed junkie forum? I mean after all, weed is illegal

A pm titled "look sovereign" on 12-27-2004

Well sov. I know that I have probably pissed you off , or maybe just gotten onto your nerves. Whatever the case may be. I was hoping that I could try to be less obnoxious, and less frontal towards you and the other members of the forum. As a 'supreme moderator' I was hoping you could consider being neutral with me instead of enemies. I just made a pretty horrible thread in the Chat forum which was supposed to be in the flame forum, but I didn't mean to hurt your feelings now that I reflect on what I posted. But I hope we can seperate our differences and just keep clear of each other..

Anotherone titled S sent on 3-03-2005

Sovereign, since you seem to be having a problem with closing threads again for no reason, (which I have saved on file, in my folder on my desktop). You may need a reality check, note: You have a past history of ill-choiced decisions, now I was wondering if you were going to ban me, and for what charges.

He throws insults at me calling me a drug addict. Chrome smokes way more weed in one week then I ever did, yet nothing is said about him. He singles me out. Then he pm's me assuming that I have some sort of thing against him, that I'm out to get him. He acts all nice in the pms but hes lying through his teeth. On the board he didnt change anything. In the third PM he tells me I have poor judgement, and I've made ill fated decisions.

I feel nothing compelling me to respond to those pm's.

Anyway, me am done in this thread. All my views have been expressed here. Back to talking about changes! (and sorry d3v, my demodding isn't going to be one of them. I know it eats you up inside, but I hope you can make it through it.)