There needs to be changes.

God damn people, shut the fuck up about D3V already. Although this is repeat thread, its not completely off base. Problem is, this has never really been a purely gaming conversation forum, which is fine. He is stating a point, and a true one at that. No need to get all crazy and attack him really.

Its not like he was pointing fingers or anything. Chill children.

Thanks for the support Titus, as you said I'm just stating a point. Now if WW or Penguin had made this thread you all would be on the bandwagon splurging out ideas. But instead you bash down and go off topic. As I never said anything about getting a moderator spot, I don't really care, I just want this forum's base to change, back to it's roots.

Ya, but the point has been stated many times before, and we've always come to the same conclusion. None of us can do shit. None of us care. And its not just this... all of your posts are pointless bullshit ones. Although I do appreciate the console news, none of that is your actual thoughts. When you do post something its always retarded as fuck.

It doesn't have to be intellectual to make a difference, look at the million man march. All I just propose a change in the staff. Nobody is opposed to it except the staff itself. Good 'ole Grav breaks rules every day, spamming in Gen Conv, flaming all around, etc. etc. I think it's about that time.

Yet I am a moderator. Isn't that a kick in the balls? Shows how much you're liked around here, heh.

Okay, ban Ditus and D3v.

We'll just call them Double D.

God damn people, shut the fuck up about D3V already. Although this is repeat thread, its not completely off base. Problem is, this has never really been a purely gaming conversation forum, which is fine. He is stating a point, and a true one at that. No need to get all crazy and attack him really. Its not like he was pointing fingers or anything. Chill children.

I agree with this. Whenever D3V posts people just read "Blah blah blah blah blah something stupid blah blah blah" instead of actually paying attention. This needs to stop because although D3V says some dumb shit, he also is a relatively intelligent person capable of observing things like anyone else. His observation is a very valid one, too. This forums seems to drift further and further away from its original purpose. There is about 5% gaming discussions and the rest is either intesting sports discussion, emo whining discussion, or spam. I don't think that having these things as a part of the forum is bad, I just think people should actually focus on discussing gaming instead of "OMG my g/f left me ;(". I'm also getting very sick of all this "ban D3V" shit because, yeah he used to be a shitty ass member, but recently he has been contributing interesting content and sparking good discussions. You can hate someone for posting dumb shit but don't hate on their good stuff just because they have posted dumb shit.

Let's make an Emo Whining Discussion forum! aka "The Grow up, Put up, and Shut up Forum"

There is no need for these forums. There ISN'T going to be a swamp of activity just because those systems come out. All the console forums should be merged into ONE forum called Console Gaming. There is no activity in them anyway.

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36550

Its not like he was pointing fingers or anything. Chill children.

(instead of backing out like some of the lame moderators have suggested and deleting them)

Edit:

i accidentally hit edit instead of reply to titus' post.... and replaced it with mine. I used my browser's back button and replaced it to waht it was, hence the edit thingy under his post

My activity level is better then Chruser's so fuck all you who say deadmin Penguin. Maybe the problem isent the staff, maybe the problem is not enough traffic and the concept of there being a BILLION gaming forums on the internet today.

No forum mod is going to fucking pull us out of a slump and admining people isent going to either. I brought this up before but ill fucking say it again, an admin barely has more powers then a Supreme mod has. Why make more admins when you can just sup mod them? How is making someone ADMIN rather then SUP MOD going to help this forum out? The only person who would be right for an ADMIN spot is someone who installs hacks and edits the back end code, not a fucking moderator with lots of "ideas". WW already does the hacks and backend crap and I think its fine how it is.

"new set of members controlling the webspace here at Zel." Why is it I was jumped on first out of all the admins? Chrusers activity level is below mine but hes Creator so he does what he wants, ok understandable. WW does all the coding and his activity level hovers around the acceptable range so ok thats understandable. What the heck do you expect me to do to make this forum better? Me posting more isent going to do a lot more good. Replacing me with Sov will do what? What will Sov do that I cant besides post, and if posting is the only thing that he does good then why the fuck make him admin, he can stay mod or whatever he is at now, you dont promote someone to admin because they are a good moderator, you promote them to admin because theyd make a good admin and do admin things, not a good mod who does mod things, thats what mods are for.

Blaming zelarons downtrend on me is bullshit to the max. I am posting less now but I still have a better activity level then Chruser and some of the people that everyone knows here. I told chruser or ww I could help financially, but of course they dont need help. Even when my activity level was high and I was an admin, I did about as much "Admining" as I do today because mods catch 99% of everything and WW or Chruser catch the other crap. if someone messages me on aim or something ill jump in but hey, nothing ever happens so I am not called to help. If I was called to help, I would easily.

Anyway, this entire thread is bullshit, There have been like so many threads just like this and I think one of them even used the same subject as this one or really close. I am sick of these threads. Staffing changes will do very little to help zelaron. Threads like these do no good either. Advertising is the only thing that will help, so why dont you just go start threads on ways to advertise that are either free or cheap or go help advertise. Those people who claim they want to help zelaron by being promote on staff or being put on staff are just bullshitting and want some power. If you wanted to help zelaron youd be advertising or paying for advertising to help it.

Which brings me to another point, all of you who 'care' so much, start sending money to chruser's paypal account and telling him to use it for banner ads and such because that is the best way you can help. I remember I sent chruser money to better help zelaron because money is the best way to help.

You took that whole adminning thing a bit too seriously. Remember how WW was when i got sup mod? lol.

Anyway, you currently arent coding or installing hacks. So why don't we make you sup mod too! You and I can patrol the forums and keep it clean! You basically are just acting like a sup mod with an admin title. ALl mod no coding!

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Dont post back all angry and shit either plz. It hurts my feelings.

My activity level is better then Chruser's so fuck all you who say deadmin Penguin. Maybe the problem isent the staff, maybe the problem is not enough traffic and the concept of there being a BILLION gaming forums on the internet today. No forum mod is going to fucking pull us out of a slump and admining people isent going to either. I brought this up before but ill fucking say it again, an admin barely has more powers then a Supreme mod has. Why make more admins when you can just sup mod them? How is making someone ADMIN rather then SUP MOD going to help this forum out? The only person who would be right for an ADMIN spot is someone who installs hacks and edits the back end code, not a fucking moderator with lots of "ideas". WW already does the hacks and backend crap and I think its fine how it is. "new set of members controlling the webspace here at Zel." Why is it I was jumped on first out of all the admins? Chrusers activity level is below mine but hes Creator so he does what he wants, ok understandable. WW does all the coding and his activity level hovers around the acceptable range so ok thats understandable. What the heck do you expect me to do to make this forum better? Me posting more isent going to do a lot more good. Replacing me with Sov will do what? What will Sov do that I cant besides post, and if posting is the only thing that he does good then why the fuck make him admin, he can stay mod or whatever he is at now, you dont promote someone to admin because they are a good moderator, you promote them to admin because theyd make a good admin and do admin things, not a good mod who does mod things, thats what mods are for. Blaming zelarons downtrend on me is bullshit to the max. I am posting less now but I still have a better activity level then Chruser and some of the people that everyone knows here. I told chruser or ww I could help financially, but of course they dont need help. Even when my activity level was high and I was an admin, I did about as much "Admining" as I do today because mods catch 99% of everything and WW or Chruser catch the other crap. if someone messages me on aim or something ill jump in but hey, nothing ever happens so I am not called to help. If I was called to help, I would easily. Anyway, this entire thread is bullshit, There have been like so many threads just like this and I think one of them even used the same subject as this one or really close. I am sick of these threads. Staffing changes will do very little to help zelaron. Threads like these do no good either. Advertising is the only thing that will help, so why dont you just go start threads on ways to advertise that are either free or cheap or go help advertise. Those people who claim they want to help zelaron by being promote on staff or being put on staff are just bullshitting and want some power. If you wanted to help zelaron youd be advertising or paying for advertising to help it. Which brings me to another point, all of you who 'care' so much, start sending money to chruser's paypal account and telling him to use it for banner ads and such because that is the best way you can help. I remember I sent chruser money to better help zelaron because money is the best way to help.

Pretty much you serve no purpose as an admin so there's no reason for you to be one. I'm not saying it is entirely your fault or anything, since there isn't really much for you to do, but I'm saying if you do nothing, even if it isn't your fault, why are you an admin?

I remember a few times that I've asked you to do something and you told me to get someone else to do it.

This is a reply to both of you.

I was more upset at the idea of making more admins and getting rid of me, then just getting rid of me as admin because like I said there is not much to do as an admin that cannot be done as a supreme mod and if someone replaces me as an admin, what would they be doing better then me Besides posting? We dont need anymore admins.

So why should I stay admin? Seniority, I have been here a long time. If ADMIN stuff needs to be done then I am just a message away. I am here if NEEDED. Heres an example, lets say you have a small town with 3 police officers. The third police officer is never needed because not a lot goes on in a town with a population of less then 50, why replace him if he is not needed? Like I said, I was more upset at the deadmining me and then admining someone else idea because it made little sense.

Now if I am needed then I will help, but im not needed. So how will replacing me all of a sudden make the replacement person more needed? So why keep me as admin? Again, if we do need me in the future, im already here. I have expereince, and I am pretty sure Chruser Trusts me. Thats another thing, I think if you are admin you need to be trusted 100% by the staff because you could really fuck something up with privs, or gain money through unethical practices that being an admin would allow you to do. I am already trusted and have been here so the trust issue dosent come up with keeping me on staff but it would come up with replacing me (Even if my replacement is a long term member, he is not an admin currently and I am so I should be more trusted right?)

Next, if Chruser ever needed money to keep the server up (Or ww) or one of them decided to quit, they can count on me to at least help with that. I am one of the few people who has money that can help. I dont think I would be so inclined to help if I was dumped from staff. I am a good emergency guy to have around, whether we need money, or a server (Since I do own a web hosting company with lots of servers).

Oh and the History. I HAVE done a lot of zelaron, even tho most of it was a long time ago. Oh and I have done a lot for chruser himself, and I even recently redirected all my IOwnJoo Traffic to his image hosting site (Thats pretty big for him). I have sent Chruser money before, I still offer to this day. I have helped him on other things and he is still considered a good friend to me that can come to me for favors anytime he needs to.

So with all that considered, I dont think it would be a very fair/smart thing to take me off staff. I am letting it known that I want to be kept as an admin simply because I think being an admin proves that I am dedicated to the cause and am a very trusted person that is very useful to keep. I have history here, I like it here, I have a lot to offer if needed and I want to stay being at the top of the leaders/trust ladder.

So, will deadmining me, which would probably cause me to feel betrayed in a way, and replacing me with Sov, will the end result be Better for Zelaron in the Future or Worse? It seems like an obvious answer now that I have explained everything.

And if deadmining of me ever became a Serious thing, I would be pretty insulted to get deadmined without having a conversation with Chruser about it beforehand.

Penguin, the fact of the matter is that we need a day-to-day policy maker. A big reason that the forums are floundering is because we no longer have strong leadership. There are a very few things that I feel strongly about, but otherwise I am unsure about most things. I suggested deadmining you simply for the reasons you stated, that you weren't doing adminy stuff; I believe that Sovereign is capable of making fair decisions about forums and moderators, and other such things that only an admin is capable of managing, as well as creating new draws, etc. I don't discredit your past contributions, I simply don't see you filling the role of admin right now, which desperately needs filling and has ever since Titus quit. This was brought up two or three months ago; have you really been here to do admin stuff if you missed that thread? If you think you should be an admin, then start being one.

I've tried with my ideas, though being shutdown by shitstained members (who are very immature and bilidgerant: Sov and Grav, which I still don't understand how either of them can be fucking Mods.) Leadership is something you have to earn, people have to want to follow you, this is why I am once again suggesting a staff swap around, Get rid of the shitty staff members like Sov and Grav who post random bullshit on the forums all day and turn back around and say it's not allowed.

Leadership is not going to come from Sov or Grav....you need to look elsewhere.

I dont think managing of the staff is really what zelaron needs right now. If I really felt strongly that that was the thing that was wrong I would try to work on just switching the postions but they seem fine to me now. The problem with Zelaron being in a slump dosent have a lot to do with forums and mods does it? When was the last forum even suggested in the forum suggestion forum. Just tell me what to do and ill do it? Anything sov wants to be done can be posted in the suggestion forum or staff and I can do that or chruser or you, its like a really easy thing. Sov can do that job whether he is an admin or a sup mod, it wont make much of a diff if sov had my spot because hed still do what he normally does.