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Posted 2004-11-25, 04:30 PM in reply to Shining Knights's post starting "It matters not whether you win or lose;..."
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Posted 2004-11-25, 04:46 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Thanks to mantra."
D3V said:
Thanks to mantra.
Thanks to your mom! Oooooh *SNAP*!
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Posted 2004-11-25, 04:52 PM in reply to Mantralord's post starting "Thanks to your mom! Oooooh *SNAP*!"
Even if somehow this were all true, it's best for it to not be used anyway. Think of what would happen if all of the people that die every day stopped dying. We're already overpopulated as it is. I know it sounds bad, but really it's for the best.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 06:12 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Even if somehow this were all true,..."
It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 08:12 PM in reply to Shining Knights's post starting "It matters not whether you win or lose;..."
In response to what !KA! said, what they did to him was still wrong. This guy, if all this is true, should be a hero. He should be a legend. He should be placed up top with Einstein, Newton, Edison, and all the other gods of science. The sad fact is, nobody even knows this guy's name. My uncle is a neurologist, and has never heard the man's name. What was done to him was plain wrong.

Another thing is, what !KA! says might have been true. The world might've gotten too overpopulated. But, looking back through history, nature has a way of balancing itself out. People have a way of keeping these problems in check. I have enough faith in humanity to believe that we would've found a way around the problems that would've risen through his technology, because we've almost always found a way to work around it. Who knows, it might've lead to good things. We might have everyday humans living on the moon, and be in the process of teraforming Mars at this moment. I think we would've found a way around it.

To say that people's lives should be taken because of a fear of future over-population is selfish. My mom's had a scare with cancer before, and I personally know what it feels like to be in a situation where you don't know whether or not you're going to see your mother tomorrow. Had my mother died, how would it have been fair to her to not get to live her full life when we had the technology to cure her. How would it have been fair to my father to leave him without a wife, or me and my sister to leave us without a mother when we had the technology to cure the disease. Thank god that my mother didn't die, but there are many mothers, many wives, many loved ones who die every day to cancer, or other deadly diseases. To not cure them when you have the technology to do so is a travesty of anything just in this world. It's paradoxical that these doctors swear to protect lives, and then turn around and their morality is overshadowed by greed. What a bunch of crooks.

From every good thing arise some negative consequences. For instance, today's automobiles are tearing up our ozone layer. You'll hear every hippy bitch about that. It's the truth, but are you willing to give up riding in automobiles altogether? Humans will one day find a solution to that dillema, or perish, but we're not going to deny the people alive today the right to ride in a car. Why then, should we deny sick people the right to live?
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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:08 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "In response to what !KA! said, what..."
I agree, the guy was a genius and he should be known, but if he were known then everyone would know there is a cure for cancer and it would cause far more problems than are needed.

So let's say everyone was allowed to live. What if we DON'T find a way to populate the moon or mars? What if we don't find limitless resources for electricity, food, water, clothes? What if we don't have people like Hitler to attempt to wipe out entire groups of people? What do we do when people desperatly need food and water and clothes so they start stealing it, rioting, etc? How do we keep these large groups of diverse people from going to war over much-needed land?

Believe me, cancer IS nature's way of balancing itself out.

It's not selfish to say that people need to die to keep from overpopulating the earth. Death is a fact of life. My mother also had cancer. If I knew she was going to die and there was a cure for cancer I would be pissed; however, that doesn't make it right. If she is suppose to die then it is best for her to die, it may not be what I want but it is what is needed and if it's going to happen it's going to happen one way or another.

So true is your statement that from everything good comes something bad. It is impossible to have all good. Like I said, with the good of those many people not dying, comes much bad.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:28 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I agree, the guy was a genius and he..."
Son of a bitch. Misinterpreted what he said.

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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:32 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I agree, the guy was a genius and he..."
Think of all the time and money invested in Cancer and other disease curing research. We could be doing much greater things than we are now.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:51 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I agree, the guy was a genius and he..."
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So let's say everyone was allowed to live. What if we DON'T find a way to populate the moon or mars? What if we don't find limitless resources for electricity, food, water, clothes? What if we don't have people like Hitler to attempt to wipe out entire groups of people? What do we do when people desperatly need food and water and clothes so they start stealing it, rioting, etc? How do we keep these large groups of diverse people from going to war over much-needed land?
Ok, well, lets put it this way: How many times have you been treated for strep? If you haven't, I'm sure there are people here who have been give Amoxicillyin (sp?) or some other antibiotic to fight strep many times, me being one of them. Now, I'm not positive about this, but I've heard that strep was at one time a fatal disease. What makes modern medicine different than what this guy is doing? Modern medicine has elongated many people's lives. Is that wrong?

Lets take this from a different perspective, and go back to my automobile-ozone example from before. Eventually, if the ozone layer is completely wiped out, it will either kill us all, or we'll have to adapt. Now, are you willing to give up modern transportation altogether? It's the same idea.

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Believe me, cancer IS nature's way of balancing itself out.
Nature has many ways of balancing itself out. Cancer is one of them. Throughout history, animals, including humans, have constantly found ways to overcome nature's threats to them. They've constantly adapted to nature using whatever particular gifts they have gotten. In the case of humans, we've been gifted with a brain. We use that gift to overcome nature's threats. Not allowing us to use that seems insane. Like I said, nature would probably find something else. Think about how much more virulent diseases have gotten since the introduction of penicillin.

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It's not selfish to say that people need to die to keep from overpopulating the earth. Death is a fact of life. My mother also had cancer. If I knew she was going to die and there was a cure for cancer I would be pissed; however, that doesn't make it right. If she is suppose to die then it is best for her to die, it may not be what I want but it is what is needed and if it's going to happen it's going to happen one way or another.
So exactly who decides when she is supposed to die. If you're a believer in fate, then you must also believe that if she is cured of the disease then she was, in fact, not supposed to die at that time. We're not making people immortal, just giving them another chance. I see nothing wrong with that.

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So true is your statement that from everything good comes something bad. It is impossible to have all good. Like I said, with the good of those many people not dying, comes much bad.
And vice-versa.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 08:58 PM in reply to Shining Knights's post starting "It matters not whether you win or lose;..."
What do you mean it isn't fair to let innocent people die? If they weren't suppose to die they wouldn't get cancer. If you're suppose to die then you should die, fighting with nature is a good way to get our asses owned.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:31 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "What do you mean it isn't fair to let..."
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What do you mean it isn't fair to let innocent people die? If they weren't suppose to die they wouldn't get cancer. If you're suppose to die then you should die, fighting with nature is a good way to get our asses owned.
I'm sure you've taken some kind of medicine. And I know that you have polluted the environment. I now that you are using man made technology. You fight nature all the god damn time, hypocrat.
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Posted 2004-11-25, 09:32 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post starting "I'm sure you've taken some kind of..."
And where in my post did I say I'm a perfect human being?

Of course I have. What I've done has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Why are you even bringing it up?
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