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Posted 2004-09-15, 10:21 AM in reply to Slim's post starting "Yeah, but I didn't really know how else..."
Big Splat take 2? Some theories say it all started with a splat before the bang. Or Implosion. Apparently, due to this moving to the hypothetical edges, in a couple of billion years or so, the Sun will lose it gravitational hold on the planets, and our solar system will be no more. But, the Earth will lose it's hold on the moon way before that. It's been happening ever since we got the moon, it is slipping away each year.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 11:37 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Big Splat take 2? Some theories say it..."
God created physics? I think not. We merely invented physics to find systems that suit our world somewhat well. In reality, almost everything is relative to each other in various ways. We merely use scientific models to help us approximate things. Science easily narrows down our perspectives, and easily causes us to lose the grasp of things at large. Looking at gravitation between two planets might make us forget that there are other planets, and stars in the universe that exert force upon our system, too. Scientific models get thrown aside by the day, too.

The "infinite" universe expands at high velocities, and is accelerating away from other parts of the universe. Why this happens, science does not know. Maybe there is something outside what we know, some matter with great mass that is pulling our outer galaxies apart. The big bang theory has flaws, just like the Bohr atom model. It seems like an awesome thought that the universe might once have EXPLODED from a single point, but it was more complicated than that.

And for the religious models, some have been "revised" over time because science has proved them wrong. If the universe was created roughly 6,000 years ago, then why are there materials that are billions of years old in the universe?

I don't blame anyone for having their own beliefs, but this question is, in my opinion, almost as bad as discussing what religion is right, or what happens after we die. Science DOES have quite a bit of clues in this particular question, but things are still far from final. But again, it's easier to just buy some random theory that sounds nice, especially if others believe in it, too.

Why search for the truth in areas that might never give us true answers? Because it's interesting, and that's part of our human qualities.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 12:31 PM in reply to Chruser's post starting "God created physics? I think not. We..."
Chruser said:
God created physics?
I phrased that wrong. I meant more along the lines he created the relationships between things that we study and call Physics.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 12:40 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "I phrased that wrong. I meant more..."
To those of you who say god created the universe and us. Why are we here then? Why create us?
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Posted 2004-09-15, 01:07 PM in reply to kockblocker1's post starting "To those of you who say god created the..."
I dont belive in god. There might have been some sort of human-oid being (or even a con artist) that directed the evovling human race to do so. Every one in those time periods were kinda whack because they didnt have science to explain things. The red sea couldnt have parted because someone said so. There are arguments and flaws in the time frames throughout the bible due to oral tradition. Since oral tradition very accurate its very hard to prove precisely what happened but we do have an idea what might have happend. knockblocker1 brings up the issue of why? noone can answer that unless a "god" did exist and "god" himself answered that question. Simply as that religion has only a grasp of that happened to our comprehension because we werent there when it happened. We wont ever know unless someone invents a time machine (lemme know if you do so i can win the 106 million power ball in like 2000 ya? and rape a few chicks while im at it :P j/p)

For the big bang, what caused it is unknown and cant be explained through our limited technology as of now (until we figure out how to develop warp drive * 234587243569634 we can yah ). However if we find out that quarks have mass we are all fucked in about 329872395624356 billion years (hypothetical number i pulled out of my ass but its like some where in the high billions) with another big bang (anyone wanna join me to see the fireworks?_?). As for the laws of matter, i would theoritically guess that matter has existed like the space time continium as how electrons move throughout an electric circuit, they are already there. A battery merely acts like a pump moving the electrons to do w/e. Simply to say, matter always existed and a bad pressure moment could have forced an explosion/implosion creating the big bang (possibly an accident).
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Posted 2004-09-15, 01:39 PM in reply to blckshdwdragon's post starting "I dont belive in god. There might have..."
My point is that Matter couldn't have always existed, much the same as God couldn't have always existed.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 01:53 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "My point is that Matter couldn't have..."
Thiis the question I always see, and everytime I see it, it makes me believe in GOD more or some kind of super human/squirle/dog/anything to have created it.
I mean try thinking back of how it begain. What is the first thing ever? The first planet? Was it just nothing, complete blackness for centries? Something had to have started something. I mean my head starts hurting when I get asked this, because I start thinking as hard as I can to come up with anything. But thats the problem, there is nothing. And I doubt scientists will EVER find out how EVERYTHING (planets, universe, where the nothing came from, how long ago that nothing started, and how?) was created. Sure they will most likly get far but no one will ever know how anything was started.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 01:57 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "My point is that Matter couldn't have..."
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Posted 2004-09-15, 03:31 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "My point is that Matter couldn't have..."
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My point is that Matter couldn't have always existed, much the same as God couldn't have always existed.
It could have. If you cant explain how time works than you cant logically say that matter couldnt have always existed. We know its always been around. If there was no space time continium, how are we alive. Things wouldnt have time to evolve or yet alone let the big bang occur. matter has always existed -> "Matter cant be created nor destroyed". Logically prove me wrong, that is if you can.

Shinto: matter is matter, negative matter is matter only negatively charged so to speak.

Arbitus: a time machine could, granted that we fiigure out how to bend/rip/manipulate the S.T.C, other than that in my previous statement. We will eventually figure it out with time.

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