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Posted 2004-09-15, 10:13 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Go Voll. Stick it to him......OK I'll..."
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Anyway, apparently, the Universe is infinite (yet expanding, what???)
The universe itself isn't expanding, just everything in it is moving outwards to the "edges", or so the theory says.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 10:15 AM in reply to Slim's post starting "The universe itself isn't expanding,..."
Ah, but what edges? It's infinite, right?
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Posted 2004-09-15, 10:17 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Ah, but what edges? It's infinite,..."
Yeah, but I didn't really know how else to put it, the "edges" are the hypothetical stopping points, where all the planets and such start moving back in towards the center and pack in so tightly another big bang occurs.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 10:21 AM in reply to Slim's post starting "Yeah, but I didn't really know how else..."
Big Splat take 2? Some theories say it all started with a splat before the bang. Or Implosion. Apparently, due to this moving to the hypothetical edges, in a couple of billion years or so, the Sun will lose it gravitational hold on the planets, and our solar system will be no more. But, the Earth will lose it's hold on the moon way before that. It's been happening ever since we got the moon, it is slipping away each year.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 11:37 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Big Splat take 2? Some theories say it..."
God created physics? I think not. We merely invented physics to find systems that suit our world somewhat well. In reality, almost everything is relative to each other in various ways. We merely use scientific models to help us approximate things. Science easily narrows down our perspectives, and easily causes us to lose the grasp of things at large. Looking at gravitation between two planets might make us forget that there are other planets, and stars in the universe that exert force upon our system, too. Scientific models get thrown aside by the day, too.

The "infinite" universe expands at high velocities, and is accelerating away from other parts of the universe. Why this happens, science does not know. Maybe there is something outside what we know, some matter with great mass that is pulling our outer galaxies apart. The big bang theory has flaws, just like the Bohr atom model. It seems like an awesome thought that the universe might once have EXPLODED from a single point, but it was more complicated than that.

And for the religious models, some have been "revised" over time because science has proved them wrong. If the universe was created roughly 6,000 years ago, then why are there materials that are billions of years old in the universe?

I don't blame anyone for having their own beliefs, but this question is, in my opinion, almost as bad as discussing what religion is right, or what happens after we die. Science DOES have quite a bit of clues in this particular question, but things are still far from final. But again, it's easier to just buy some random theory that sounds nice, especially if others believe in it, too.

Why search for the truth in areas that might never give us true answers? Because it's interesting, and that's part of our human qualities.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 12:31 PM in reply to Chruser's post starting "God created physics? I think not. We..."
Chruser said:
God created physics?
I phrased that wrong. I meant more along the lines he created the relationships between things that we study and call Physics.
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Posted 2004-09-15, 12:40 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "I phrased that wrong. I meant more..."
To those of you who say god created the universe and us. Why are we here then? Why create us?
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