Straight from Grav. Zelaron Improvements

Negative comments are different from flames. If someone posts constructive criticism, even if it sounds like a flame, it is fine. The problem occurs with simple name calling and cursing that have no point, other than to degrade someone without intent to improve upon anything. There was a big discrepancy with what should be Edited. Simple enough, the Staff are now aware that only advertising posts should be Edited. Everything else should be Split and Moved to the Trashcan. Mods are now going to PM a member if they think a specific topic isn't deemed appropriate. Then, if it is done again, action will be taken. There are no swearing rules. Swear the fuck away for all I fucking care.

Wow, so glad that you elaborated on what was already known. Good job fellas! If you want more than a fourth grade retort, you best give me better than fourth grade ramblings and cry baby tactics. All these issues have clearly been addressed already, and done so once again by Raziel.

We all know there is not a no cursing rule, and we've already gone over, at vertabim, that a few trite remarks here and there are by all means fine, and even encouraged from time to time, since they are pretty funny.

Like I said, if you see a Staff member getting away with breaking rules, inform someone! Simple as that, no more double standard. I have not received one (1) PM or IM from anyone complaining about any member of Staff, with actual backing to their claim, other than, "I hate them! DE-MOD DE-MOD!" That just doesn't cut it.

I'm not playing dumb, I just didn't want everyone's "fire" to run out by the time Grav got back, which isn't for another week, and in the course of the first week of his Ban, much of the umph was already lost.

Like I said, if you see a Staff member getting away with breaking rules, inform someone! Simple as that, no more double standard. I have not received one (1) PM or IM from anyone complaining about any member of Staff, with actual backing to their claim, other than, "I hate them! DE-MOD DE-MOD!" That just doesn't cut it.

That's precisely what I'm getting at. I agree with pretty much every point listed above, but I don't agree with them at all as complaints. I have yet to see solid evidence that any of those things are consistent or even worthwhile occurences on this forum. Like I said, if people would provide me with links or actual hard facts that these things run rampant on the forums, they would have my complete support in this regard. So far, all I'm hearing is a lot of bickering with no reason behind it.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was just one giant joke on behalf of Grav just to get you guys all riled up.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised either, which is exactly why I am not riled up at all.

It probably isn't a joke, but really, people are struggling to form any sort of complaint that makes sense.

Alright, you want cold hard facts? Let's take D3V's case for instance. He was asked by Bob not to post something, he didn't listen, and he posted that something. That something was not against the rules in any way, shape, or form. Yet, he was banned.

Penguin asked Sov not to post his picture. Sov didn't listen and posted it 4 times, along with PMing me the picture. Granted, this wasn't against the rules either but Penguin specifically asked him not to. Sov didn't get banned. Woah?

The reason why we did/do think there's a no-cursing rule is because of Penny's thread entitled, "Why is most of the Zelaron staff SO GOD DAMN FUCKING ANAL!?!?!?!?" It was later changed to say, "Why is most of the Zelaron staff so ANAL!?!?!?!?!!" - along with a few posts edited in that thread because of the use of cuss words. Woah?

Thanatos is correct about everything in that post.

Are you arguing that you didn't want D3V banned or that you did want Sov banned? By your logic of presented hypocrisy, you can't demand both.

I'm not arguing on the behalf of anyone. Raziel asked someone to bring forth an instance where one of the points on the list were valid. I then did so.

Are you arguing that you didn't want D3V banned or that you did want Sov banned? By your logic of presented hypocrisy, you can't demand both.

I can't speak for Jizmo, but personally I wouldn't want Sov or D3V banned for that, but I don't think that was Jizmo's point. I think he was simply pointing out the double standard.

I pretty much agree with everything said in Grav's list.

PS:1. Do I think I am better than all of you?
2. Am I too controlling?

I need serious answers, becuase it would be cool to know.

I didn't get banned, no, but I did get warned, and a user note was added to my name. Any mod should be able to see it, I think.

And mind you that was my first major flare up against a staff member in a while.

I don't care! The fact still stands that you weren't banned and D3V was. Explain that, please.

If you are referring to d3v's most recent ban in which he was out for a few days, I had nothing to do with that, so I wouldn't be able to answer any questions regarding that.

Edit- let me look around and try to find out why he got banned.

The reason why we did/do think there's a no-cursing rule is because of Penny's thread entitled, "Why is most of the Zelaron staff SO GOD DAMN FUCKING ANAL!?!?!?!?" It was later changed to say, "Why is most of the Zelaron staff so ANAL!?!?!?!?!!" - along with a few posts edited in that thread because of the use of cuss words. Woah?

Also, D3V was briefly banned for cursing, but that was quickly retracted. It still enraged me at that point, though.