Quarter-Finals! Mega Man X vs. Cloud

These sub tanks and stuff, should they even be allowed? They aren't really weapons, sound more like items to me, and I don't think items are allowed.

I've talked about the Tanks in the previous battle. Tanks are like a part of the Armor, the sub-energy stored in the armor. Different armors have different capacity, like X can have up to 4 sub tanks and 1 part (Unless using Gold Armor) in X3. (While Zero doesn't have access to any upgrade or tank in that game...)

Well, Cloud did have to beat Ruby on his own. Not all his battles are through the use of 3 characters and teamwork, he does actually have a lot of individual quests and battles that he fair quite well in. Either way, I'm basically disregading any arguement that would put Cloud at a disadvantage just because most of the game he has 2 other people's help. That isn't and shouldn't be a concern.

True he has to fight on his own against ruby unless you bring the 2 other members of the party dead and revive them in battle.
But he has his summons, spells and items when fighting weapon and this is something he doesnt have here. You think it shouldnt be concern ? I think it is, ppl started to point out he could beat weapon and im simply pointing out that with his zelaron melee capacity he cannot stand a chance against them.

I've talked about the Tanks in the previous battle. Tanks are like a part of the Armor, the sub-energy stored in the armor. Different armors have different capacity, like X can have up to 4 sub tanks and 1 part (Unless using Gold Armor) in X3. (While Zero doesn't have access to any upgrade or tank in that game...)

yes but they are still tank "parts"
you dont start with them built into the armor.. you get items which you can add and integrate into your armor.. so they are still technically add-ons that are not directly part of the armor or weaponry
perhaps this may even apply to some parts
also.. X requires power up "items" to fill the tanks for use

If characters are only allowed to use what they start with, then cloud can't use omnislash or any powerful sword. The argument that a character doesn't start with something is no argument at all.

Besides, the sub tank is consistantly available to X. He always has use of it, and there is no reason he should not be able to use it. Yes, he has to fill up his tanks, but they most certainly can be already filled. (Nearly 100% of the time when I played Megaman games I only enter boss fights with all tanks full. Why would the actual character do anything different?)

Also, add-ons are allowed and have always been allowed if they are an ability that that character recieves in a game. It is something that the character can do. These battles are based upon what a character is actually able to do.

im not talking about "started with"
im talking about the fact that the tanks are not equivalent to the armor
they are added into the armor and are distinctly seperate items that you get
and someone mentioned earlier that items are not allowed.. and seems only weaponry or direct natural abilities are allowed

but i do see why this argument is not really valid since once X finds the tanks it becomes more like a learned ability that can be used during battle
but you must of course remember that tanks do not start out filled.. they must be filled with stored energy.. by getting extra energy items and in a way storing the items into the tank

These battles are based on what the character can do? If I remember correctly, cloud was able to use materia, summons, items, etc. The rules are bent in favor of some characters making the battles unfair.

Maybe the issue of those rules targetted at ff characters should be walked around.. I remember the rules mentioning that if this becomes a problem that ff characters will just be removed.

Anyways kind of an addition to what K_A has already said
Don't you think that Cloud would stock up on items prior to going up against X? Being completely prepared? But he is not allowed to.
Then why would X be allowed to stock up on energy gained from items prior to battle?

im not talking about "started with" im talking about the fact that the tanks are not equivalent to the armor they are added into the armor... ...tanks do not start out filled.. they must be filled with stored energy.. by getting extra energy items and in a way storing the items into the tank

I think of it as more like Samus's armor. Extra "energy tanks" she gets are simply added to her already cool armor. They are PART of the armor, not items.

Plus, (at least in the early X's) you can save stored sub-tank energy from round to round. X would definately come into this battle fully charged, as Bob mentioned.

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I do remember, also, a certain Maverick weapon (the first X, on the SNES) that fires off a 3-way shot uncharged, and when it's charged, makes X completely invincible and still able to fire the 3-way shot. I think he got it off a chameleon or something.. but I haven't played that one in a while.

These battles are based on what the character can do?

Yes about what they can do! Not what the materia can do or the items they find can do. It's the character fighting not Knight of the Round or Ultima. Cloud is a fighter not a caster. It's clear and simple.

If you think it's unfair it's cause you dont actualy understand Cloud. Sure he isnt as killer as in ff7 with materia equip and 99 x-potion + shield/wall/reflect and you name it... But that doesnt mean that he is a weakling. His fighting skill are not gone. Cause he doesnt have access to materia aint gonna mean he will fight X using some bamboo stick with a paperbag handle.

These battles are based on what the character can do? Yes about what they can do! Not what the materia can do or the items they find can do. It's the character fighting not Knight of the Round or Ultima. Cloud is a fighter not a caster. It's clear and simple.

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it is the character that incites and uses/controls the materia
the materia in a sense becomes an extension of Cloud
are you saying that when a wizard casts a fireball to attack enemies that they are not the ones attacking?

If you think it's unfair it's cause you dont actualy understand Cloud. Sure he isnt as killer as in ff7 with materia equip and 99 x-potion + shield/wall/reflect and you name it... But that doesnt mean that he is a weakling. His fighting skill are not gone. Cause he doesnt have access to materia aint gonna mean he will fight X using some bamboo stick with a paperbag handle.

highly contradictory to things you have mentioned prior

Plus, (at least in the early X's) you can save stored sub-tank energy from round to round. X would definately come into this battle fully charged, as Bob mentioned.

yes but can X naturally without outside influences taken from other enemies or outside sources charge up the tanks?

I do remember, also, a certain Maverick weapon (the first X, on the SNES) that fires off a 3-way shot uncharged, and when it's charged, makes X completely invincible and still able to fire the 3-way shot. I think he got it off a chameleon or something.. but I haven't played that one in a while.

from mmx1.. probably not useful here.. i seriously doubt the weapon would be powerful enough to take out cloud and X would probably not be able to use that with the armors of X6 (?)

I think of it as more like Samus's armor. Extra "energy tanks" she gets are simply added to her already cool armor. They are PART of the armor, not items.

cant tanks be interchangable between armors (X6)?
i dont see how that makes the tanks fused with the armors if they are interchangable.. that makes them technically more like items that are inserted into the armor

I dont think you actualy did read. You more checked a few word and started to quote.

Did you read the "Hes not a caster" part ?
Caster do spell to kill for them. Melee dont. Is that hard to understand ? Im sure it aint.

Why would mmxx1 be weaker cause it's from a older game ? That argument make no sense at all.
It also would most likely be compatible with his armor in X6 as he never really had major basic physical change.

so you are saying that cloud should not be allowed to cast simply because he is (by opinion i might add) generalized as a nothing but "melee" character? sorry i do not see that as a strong nor valid argument at all

and maybe YOU should read more carefully as i never said it was less powerful simply cuz its from mmx1 but that i seriously doubt that attack is powerful enough to damage Cloud
if you had read my previous large summary and some prior comments you would have seen the reasoning.. normal maverick attacks are effective for damage on bosses with the particular weakness but not much on others

I do remember, also, a certain Maverick weapon (the first X, on the SNES) that fires off a 3-way shot uncharged, and when it's charged, makes X completely invincible and still able to fire the 3-way shot. I think he got it off a chameleon or something.. but I haven't played that one in a while.

Nice memory, that's what the weapon does exactly. I forgot that. The reason why I've only taken X6 into account...well, I don't want to look up all his attacks from X1 - X7, and it is quite hard to decide which 8 weapons he should equip.

Tanks are part of the armor. In X3, with Gold Armor, X can just stand still to refill his Sub-Tanks, all four of them. Those really are some stored energy.

Cloud casted meteor in Ergheiz, so I have no clue what you are talking about by saying he's not a caster.

Sad...
Meteorrain is one of Cloud sword skill he doesnt CAST it.
When Squall does his limit and there is a big light on his sword that he use to hit his enemy. Is he a caster for that ?
It's a sword ability...
In ehrgeiz and ff7 Meteorrain is a Limit break.

I'm not talking about squall, I'm talking about Cloud. He doesn't have to hit anything to summon the meteors.

Squall sword doesnt hit either it's the light.

But i guess you just dont understand. It's the same as in ff7. A limit break that he does using his sword. He doesnt need to hit something with the sword it's a sword technique. Plain and simple.

yes im sure theirs no magic involved when giant meteors rain out of a sword
its definitely pure "melee"

Wow you impress me with your lack of understanding.
Was Barret a caster ? NO
Yet he could make this huge bullet that was 20 time bigger then his gun come out by a hole that is actualy 10 time smaller then his gunarm.