Magus/Guile one and the same ?

I heard lot of talk about it. Well i did some research here is what i found on some website. I havnt played radical dreamer, well i did for about 10 min (used a patch to translate the rom) and i didnt play Chrono Cross much maybe an hour. So if there is something wrong let me know.

First and foremost, the superficial reasons: Guile wears a golden mask to conceal his identity.

When he runs, he levitates in a position that is strikingly similar to Magus.

The most interesting argument for Guile's being Magus, is that the word "guile" means, trickery, which would back up the theory that Guile's mask is hiding his true identity.

Now you might say that Guile aint his Jap name and you would be right ! In the Jap version of Chrono Trigger Janus/Magus cat name is Alfador and in Chrono Cross Jap Guile name is Alfador.

His innate element color is black.

His hair style and color, while different is similar to that of the prince of zeal.

The most convincing of arguments lies game "Radical Dreamers" a game that was only released in jap. (i think anyway)

In this game there are 3 main characters: Serge, Kidd, and Gil, who are commissioned to steal the frozen flame from the general's mansion. Gil in Radical Dreamer apparently, looks, acts, and behaves just like Guile in Chrono Cross. Since the game basically spells out the Kidd is working for the Radical Dreamers in Chrono Cross, it's very likley that Guile is Gil from that same game, since that game also plays heavily into the whole Chrono Cross plot. The reason this is important is, at the end of Radical Dreamers, it's revealed that Gil is actually MAGUS, who was trying to find Schala. The hair, the floating, the black magic, and the Radical Dreamers proof all points to Guile as being Magus. When one takes into account that "Guile" is not much of a linguistic jump from "Gil" and the record found in Chronopolis it becomes increasingly clearer.

In Chrono Trigger Janus/Magus is the prince of Zeal or Jeen in Jap version. Zenan is the hometown of Guile which could be a simple merging of Zeal and Jeen name.


You guyz think it s true/wrong. Spill it out and say why

Gil may have been Magus in Radical Dreamers, but I honestly don't think they are the same person in Chrono Cross. Here are a few reasons why.

First, Guile has absolutely no recollection of certain events, characters and places that he should have if he's actually Magus in disguise. If you beat the game with Guile in your party, he doesn't even acknowledge Schala. All he does is say something like "well, it's been good traveling with you Serge. See ya!" He also doesn't react at all if he's in your party when Kid reads Lucca's letter. At the end, the letter basically says that someone in your party is Janus, which was Magus' name as a child.

Second, their personalities are nothing alike. Guile consitently proves himself to be a compassionate, level-headed person throughout CC. Magus was a cold, distant and dangerously pragmatic tyrant. Magus wouldn't go out of his way to act in a fashion that was the exact opposite of his nature unless it served some advantageous purpose. In the case of Chrono Cross, pretending to be someone else wouldn't actually benefit him in any way.

Third, why in the hell would he be in disguise? Magus isn't mentioned once in Chrono Cross, so it's safe to assume that nobody either knows who he was, or cares who he was. So, it would also be reasonable to assume that he could just walk around as Magus and not have to worry about any problems arising. It would have gone against his character for Magus to wear a disguise and act like a completely different person unless it was beneficial to him, like the Prophet disguise he used in Zeal.

Finally, If Guile is Magus in disguise, how in the name of living crap did he manage to relocate himself from the year 600 A.D. to 1020 A.D. without the use of a time altering device and without any time portals left to use? After Lavos was destroyed, all of the portals closed up, as is seen in the game's ending! Now, I say "600 A.D." because that would be the most likely place that he would be sent. Either there or 12,000 B.C. Either way, he didn't stay in 1000 A.D, and there was no available way for him to travel through time in order to make it to 1020 A.D. just so he could dress up like a birthday party magician with a wand and a mask!

Here's my theory. Guile is an alternate reality version of Magus. Throughout all of Chrono Cross, we see many characters featured in both Home World and Another World, and in many cases, they have differing personalities. So, it's not unreasonable to assume that Magus and Guile are respectively the dark and light sides of the same coin. Here's a really poorly drawn example of what I'm talking about.

----------Magus--------------------------Guile
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---------------------------Janus


My theory is that, sometime before Janus became Magus, his life split down two separate paths. One path took him to becoming Magus, and the other made him Guile. My assumption would be that when Janus was drawn through the Lavos Portal at the Ocean Palace (or whatever the hell it was called) that is where the division took place. The darkside Janus was dumped out into the year 600 A.D to be raised by Ozzie and become a dark warlord, and the lightside Janus was dumped out somewhwere around 1000 A.D. on the Zenan mainland.

One way or another, I don't see how Magus and Janus could be the same person. Plus, I think it would be really friggin' lame if they were.

I agree with Raziel's explaination.

Aight, well you explanation does make sense.

Even tho this wont really matter, in the ending Magus is sent in 12,000BC you can see him in front of a Icy mountain while the Epoch pass far away behind him.

I also just checked Chrono Trigger ending on playstation. That actualy made things weird. In the ending of Chrono Trigger on playstation. You see Lucca that see something shinning kinda like when Marle Necklace does when Lucca activate the the telepod in the start of the game. She go look and find a baby that wear the same amulet that only Marle, Schala, Janus and Magus are wearing. So who is this little baby ? Janus ? I dont think so. When you see Janus get sucked in the portal he is much older then that + Janus doesnt have Yellow hair.

Who the fuck is this baby ?
He/she is obviously someone and wearing this amulet kinda limit who he can be.
Here is a pic.


Anyone got an idea?

Raziel had great points.

Looks kinda like marle with very little hair.

Actually, that's supposed to be Kid from Chrono Cross. That's how she came to exist.

Dammit, RS, you beat me to it again.