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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:06 PM
I need a Thesis statement for a paper by tommorow.

the time period is basically 1763-1920.... i have to be able to make an arguement... so soemone please give me a thesis that I can prove and maybe how i can do it. It CAN NOT be military oriented.

Here is one of his examples: Industrialists who gained fabulous wealth attained their positions through ruthless tactics.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:16 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
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I need a Thesis statement for a paper by tommorow.

the time period is basically 1763-1920.... i have to be able to make an arguement... so soemone please give me a thesis that I can prove and maybe how i can do it. It CAN NOT be military oriented.

Here is one of his examples: Industrialists who gained fabulous wealth attained their positions through ruthless tactics.
Just disprove that thesis example... during the Industrial Revolution (early 19th century) there were tons of industrialists who got rich through innovation... Henry Ford, for example.

Or you could do like, slavery (and later the Civil War) stems from the fact that the American colonists were a bunch of overfed snobs who were too lazy to support their own country so they brought in millions of Africans.

It's true.. they had the highest quality of life before and after the Revolution.

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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:19 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
That's a solid choice... hah, so obvious. Thanks, I'll probably use it.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:19 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
Teachers usually don't like you using thier examples in any way shape or form. But then again it depends on the teacher.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:22 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "Teachers usually don't like you using..."
Well, there are tons of people doing the industrial revolution... and guys like John D. Rockefeller... It wouldn't be his thesis, it'd be different... much more different than alot of people's thesises.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:22 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
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Just disprove that thesis example... during the Industrial Revolution (early 19th century) there were tons of industrialists who got rich through innovation... Henry Ford, for example.
Well, it really depends on how you describe ruthlessness. In my eyes, most of them were pretty ruthless, even Ford. After his introduction of the assembly line, he was hiring and firing people at an astonishing rate. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I could look them up for you. Other's used tactics that were considered ruthless as well, such as trusts and other things. If I were going to use that thesis, I would just try to prove it.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:27 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Well, it really depends on how you..."
Yeah there are probably more examples of ruthless than not... the way it was phrased in the first post it sounded like an "if rich industriast then ruthless" sort of statement.

I can't wait to take AP American next year :P
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Posted 2005-02-10, 08:32 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Yeah there are probably more examples..."
I don't know what to do, I'm just pulling a few straws here.

One, how about trying to prove/disprove Fredrick Jackson Turner's thesis on the frontier.

Two, we all know that in the 1860s-1880s the Klan used scare tactics to discourage black people from voting, and to just keep them down, basically. What made the situation so bad for the southern white folks that they had to resort to violence. Was it necessary, or not? Formulate a thesis, and prove/disprove. I don't know much about which way you would go, since I guess this is more of an opinion.
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Posted 2005-02-10, 09:51 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I don't know what to do, I'm just..."
I don't think it was neccesary, to... oppress black people... but where would I go with that?... Gah, damn I suck at this.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 12:26 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post starting "I don't think it was neccesary, to......"
Racism is over rated...

I think the henry ford one was a good idea.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 01:26 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
1763 huh? How about disproving the "Dunning School" arguement that white Northerners that came to the South during reconstruction were all Carpetbaggers who came with their black pawns to loot, pillage, and exploit the decent, good, and noble white southerners.

Or you could do something on Southern Violence and Lynching in the country during that time period. Infinite information on that. Something like 4,700+ known lynchings between Presidential Reconstruction and 1968. And this isn't just in the South. This happened in places like Ohio and Illinois as well. Ida Wells was a black investigative reporter that worked in the 1870-90s by taking information from Southern newspapes. During Democratic rule, white supremacy ran rampant. Southern newspaper would actually advertise lynchings, and sometimes thousands of spectators would come. People would take pictures and send postcards of the hanging burned and contorted bodies, usually with them standing next to it with a cute caption like "We had a barbeque last night." In Georgia, an ad was run in newspapers for a train ride to an upcoming lynching of a black man, and box lunches would be provided. During lynchings, it was not uncommon for churches and schools to close for people to attend. When they dismembered the victim before killing them, they usually handed out fingers/eyes/genitals as party favors. And it goes on and on and on.

Or if you don't know what I'm talking about though, don't bother.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 03:39 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Someone good with american history..."
They had kids crawling into small spaces that adults and animal's couldn't (to fix something, perhaps). Workers, extremely underpaid, worked for 14-16 hours a day I believe. Lots of people got black lungs, and they had to live in tenemants (Atleast that's what I think they were called).
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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:22 PM in reply to Xenn's post starting "Just disprove that thesis example......"
Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda book have you guys been reading?

THE REAL SLAVE BRINGERS WERE THE JEWS! (You know, the guys who have been expelled from nations over 200 times for their atrocities) Source: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrociti...ip-owners.html

Both whites and blacks owned slaves! Source: http://americancivilwar.com/authors/...laveowners.htm

Benjamin Franklin and George Washington both warned of the Jews:

1778 – Benjamin Franklin’s statement on Jewish immigration at the First Constitutional Convention:


In what ever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by rejecting its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.


For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, as they call Palestine. But, gentlemen, did the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other peoples not of their race.


If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.


If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendents will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves.


Jews, gentlemen, are Asiatics, let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they never will be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American’s, and will not, even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by the Constitution.”

Source: http://christiansbiblestudy.org/hitler_nonracist.htm

Did Abraham Lincoln really support multi-culturism? Of course not!

Abraham Lincoln
16th President of the United States

"I will say, then, that I am not nor have I ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race."

Abraham Lincoln
16th President of the United States

"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated."

Lynchings? Let's compare the black-on-white crimes today compared to those 3,000 or so "lynchings"

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/hatecrimes.html

Why don't you hear about these hate crimes? Because the media is controlled by Jews, the Black man's best friend!

Blacks and rap:

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/blackquotes.html
http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/raplyrics.html

Jews admitting they control America:

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/jewquotes.html

Affirmative action, at face value, seems like it would promote equality, but in practice it doesn't. Affirmative action is really nothing more that a glorified quota system that scares employers into hiring Negros and other races that they wouldn't otherwise hire. Most employers are afraid if they don't they will be sued for discrimination if they don't hire the Negro.

There you have it, my friends. Do you really find it fair that MLK (a raping communist liar SOURCE: http://www.greaterthings.com/Editorial/MartinLuther.htm) is the only man besides Jesus who gets his own holiday in America?


Do you really find it fair that blacks get their own month and their own television station? Do you really find it fair that anyone who yells "White Pride !" is deemed a racist when somebody who yells "Black Pride!" is patted on the back. Do you really think Affirmitive Action is fair? IMO, an employer should be allowed to hire whomever he/she wants to hire. It would be better for the business. Government has no business telling us how to run our businesses, especially considering that they can't even run the government right.

The Jews controlled Clinton ( SOURCE: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/clilist.htm), so I assume old George was correct. The Jews really do control America. ( it is now about 200 years later)

While you all continue teaching white guilt lies, the Jews are patting themselves on the backs.

Would you call George Washington a racist bigot, too? If you would, we might as well just give these lands back to the Indians.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:26 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit of a racist on our hands here. Just to let you know, from what I have seen almost everyone here hates racists.
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From reading your other post, LOL you seem to have already pissed of the football fans. Its too bad new members are always annoying, or most of them

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Posted 2005-02-11, 04:58 PM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit..."
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Hmm seems like we have a weeeeeeee bit of a racist on our hands here. Just to let you know, from what I have seen almost everyone here hates racists.
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From reading your other post, LOL you seem to have already pissed of the football fans. Its too bad new members are always annoying, or most of them
Does that make B. Franklin, G. Washington, and A. Lincoln racist, too? Go smoke some more weed, degenerate.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 05:14 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Does that make B. Franklin, G...."
So what games do you play zonalon?
Good idea I think I will. And we should give the land back to the Natives anyways. I don't know if its fair that Blacks have thier own month, and blah blah blah. But I do know that the "white" man is an evil, corporate, greedy, bunch of racist, ignorant, war lords. And if what you say is true, which it may be to an extant, then Ya I would say that Franklin and Washington, and a bunch of our other "founders" were racist.
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many people do alot of bad things, but they may also do wonderfull things, Martin Luther King did the blacks a great favor, therefore he deserves recognition

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/blackquotes.html
These quotes on this site do not in anyway represent African Americans as a whole. Many a white man has said many a evil thing about many a people. They do not represent me and the way I think.
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Do you really find it fair that blacks get their own month and their own television station? Do you really find it fair that anyone who yells "White Pride !" is deemed a racist when somebody who yells "Black Pride!" is patted on the back. Do you really think Affirmitive Action is fair? IMO, an employer should be allowed to hire whomever he/she wants to hire. It would be better for the business. Government has no business telling us how to run our businesses, especially considering that they can't even run the government right.
I find this all fair, considering that every other month of the year is white month! Every TV station is for whites, or was found for them. There is nothing wrong w/ having pride in your heritage, white or black IMO. An employer is allowed to hire whomever they want, and they do, if its for the better of the company.

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Posted 2005-02-11, 05:43 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
Hmm, I'm guessing only 1% racist. Seems to love jews!
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Posted 2005-02-11, 09:00 PM in reply to zonalon's post starting "Haha, okay. What sort of Jew propaganda..."
I don't know what to say, "zonalon."

First off, are you new here?

Secondly, everyone knows Lincoln wasn't a saint in particular. But he still did try to preserve the union, and that is important.

Third, do you believe the holocaust never happened? Just wondering.
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Posted 2005-02-11, 09:03 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I don't know what to say, "zonalon." ..."
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Posted 2005-02-12, 07:48 AM in reply to Kaneda's post starting "So what games do you play zonalon? ..."
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So what games do you play zonalon?
Counter-Strike, ESPN 2k5, Call of Duty, Rome: Total War, etc
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Good idea I think I will. And we should give the land back to the Natives anyways.p
Yeah, so they can tear down all of our skyscrapers and replace them with TP's. Lol.

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I don't know if its fair that Blacks have thier own month, and blah blah blah. But I do know that the "white" man is an evil, corporate, greedy, bunch of racist, ignorant, war lords. And if what you say is true, which it may be to an extant, then Ya I would say that Franklin and Washington, and a bunch of our other "founders" were racist.
You seem to have the "white" man mistaken for the "Jew" man. There's a reason they've been cast out of almost every country they've stepped into.
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many people do alot of bad things, but they may also do wonderfull things, Martin Luther King did the blacks a great favor, therefore he deserves recognition
The only reason MLK is even recognized in this country is because this country is controlled by Jews and MLK was controlled by the Jews. Want to know who really led the "Civil Rights" movement? Click here. http://www.martinlutherking.org/ma-chapter18.html SO... the Jews get their own country, but they find "Segregation" racist. Don't you think there's a reason why all races started out in different countries? Why are the Jews playing God here?
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These quotes on this site do not in anyway represent African Americans as a whole. Many a white man has said many a evil thing about many a people. They do not represent me and the way I think.
Yes, I realize that, which is exactly why multi-culturism is racist.

THE DEATH OF THE HOST CULTURE
Other cultures forced to integrate in any particular country eventually suck the life from and deplete the initial culture. It is a forced neccessity to respect these alien cultures which realistically mean nothing to you. Why the hell should we care about Islam or Muslims or the fact that some people worship in a Mosque - if they wan't to do that they should return to there ancestral homelands or make do with a Church like good Christian folk!

'TRENDY' INTERRACIAL DATING
Date a monkey and gain instant stree credibility! Become a black mans hoe and lose your self-respect in four easy steps.
Step one: Get in with some black friends - they will glad introduce you to there 'brothers'
Step two: Change the way you talk - start incooperating slang into every other word and make a point of misspelling any word which consists of more than three letters.
Step three: Get easy - black dudes don't want you for companionship you know. They just want a quick **** and then they'll drop you in an instant.
Step four: Argo's is your new best friend. Go and get some cheap bling bling and pretend that it's expensive and that your parents work for a living. Oh and pretend you've had a hard life growing up in the ghetto - become a pity case. Benefits have never been so cool!

Directionless Youths
It's wrong to be white but don't worry! So long as you act black - you'll be okay. Go on - become a fashion casualty, start walking like a monkey, wearing three hats at once and wearing a big tacky medallion that'll weigh you to the floor - it's the only way to be a somebody.
Become a pimp or a whore - these are your future prospects - this is what you should aspire to be.
It's a case of get rich quick - yay!!!
Oh but if you meet any black people - do expect to be ridiculed, beaten up, raped, killed, the list goes on.

Intimidation
You see those kids at the bus stop there chucking rocks at that old lady? Don't worry about them - you see their ancestors were slaves and so anything that they do that's naughty - that's perfectly acceptable. In fact, lets take a polaroid and make a shrine to multiculturism in our living room shall we?

PLUS
Notice how the education system and typical cultural values have slowly been leached away after years of extensive multicultural enforcement? Well...that's the beauty of multiculturism - lose your country to a pack of worthless lying dogs. Have fun now kids!

AND

HOW TO DESTROY AMERICA

In an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, during October 2003, which was filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders, a brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how immigration -- both legal and illegal -- was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. This writer sat in the audience spellbound by the eight methods of destruction of the United States.

He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:
"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malyasia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an America, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate"

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. The profound silence allowed me to hear my heart beating. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserved to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Even discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as greedy corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states -- to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It reminded me of George Orwell's book 1984. In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

I sat there as one of the most patriotic Americans I know, Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

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Add to the above - Use the courts (Judges) to make law from the bench by deliberately misinterpreting the Constitution. Just one more Liberal Secularist is needed on the Supreme Court so that the ludicrous laws being dictated from the bench of Liberal Judges cannot be overturned. Congress has already given up their power.

This, my friends, is why multi-culturism is racist.
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I find this all fair, considering that every other month of the year is white month! Every TV station is for whites, or was found for them. There is nothing wrong w/ having pride in your heritage, white or black IMO. An employer is allowed to hire whomever they want, and they do, if its for the better of the company.
A lot of the stations are owned by Jews: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.html

MTV and BET both promote "thug" life, expensive gangster clothing, rape, killing, etc. Jews are the ones who own the companies who sell these expensive "gangster" clothing, so they are the ones who benefit most from these TV stations.

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Third, do you believe the holocaust never happened? Just wondering.
No, I believe it happened, but it's been extremely overexposed and overexaggerated. The History Channel (owned by Jews) makes it seem like it is the most important event in World History.
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