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Posted 2005-01-15, 05:47 PM
I honestly had a feeling something was wrong. I usually have a dark sense of events yet to come. I just think negatively. Some signs were there. I just never imagined I would be right. I have never been sorrier that I was right in my life.

I'm not gonna ask Raziel what went wrong. That's his business. I'm just wishing you and your former bandmates good luck in whatever path you decide to take from here. I'll keep my CD safe, as a momento. This is a terrible turn of events. I'll say it again. Good luck to you, Jeff, Kyler, Dan and Daniel. I don't know what took place. So, I'll assume they're free of blame and wish them all well.

Best of wishes
WINTERMASK'S ETERNAL FAN
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Posted 2005-01-15, 06:43 PM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post "Wintermask Is Gone"
www.wintermask.com is still up -.-
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Posted 2005-01-15, 06:45 PM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post "Wintermask Is Gone"
That was somewhat bizzare, Kuja.

The best part is the link is shrunk so it doesn't work.
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Posted 2005-01-15, 10:49 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "That was somewhat bizzare, Kuja. The..."
Hmph. The link don't work like you said. You'll just have to go to their website and click "View our Guestbook."

It still sucks. The band is gone. The website still remains, but it means absolutely nothing except that they haven't had it taken down yet.

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Posted 2005-01-15, 11:11 PM in reply to Kuja`s #1's post starting "Hmph. The link don't work like you..."
Why?

This is one of the worst things that have happened to me this week.

Damnit.
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Posted 2005-01-16, 10:28 PM in reply to slaynish's post starting "Why? This is one of the worst things..."
Well, they sucked anyways.














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Posted 2005-01-16, 10:39 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Well, they sucked anyways."
How many fans do YOU have, d3v?
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Posted 2005-01-16, 10:44 PM in reply to D3V's post starting "Well, they sucked anyways."
You know what, fuck you D3V. You're an arrogant, moronic, mindless hunk of shit and I genuinely hope you die of fucking cancer. I didn't go telling everyone on the board about this because I didn't feel it was really necessary as of this moment. This band was everything I've worked for for the last two years and was supposed to comprise the remainder of my adult life.

I can't fucking wait for you to experience the level of loss I'm feeling right now, because when it happens, I'm going to dance a fucking jig on your sorry ass, you fucking hunk of shit. Go fuck yourself. That whole "truce" thing you tried to start with me is now permanently done for. You're never gonna see the end of my hate-stick now, shitwad.
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Posted 2005-01-16, 10:50 PM in reply to Raziel's post starting "You know what, fuck you D3V. You're an..."
Damn. That sucks, Raziel. If you're in the mood of sharing (hope I'm not being too forward), please do let us know what happend. Good luck, man.

And seriously, D3V, if you don't like his music, then that's your loss, but keep your opinions to yourself. That should go for everyone. This isn't an appropriate time, or thread for that type of bullshit.
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Posted 2005-01-16, 11:00 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Damn. That sucks, Raziel. If you're in..."
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Damn. That sucks, Raziel. If you're in the mood of sharing (hope I'm not being too forward), please do let us know what happend. Good luck, man.
This is seconded. I'd like to know what went wrong. I'm sure you could apply yourself to other things/bands in the future though.

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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:19 AM in reply to RoboticSilence's post starting "This is seconded. I'd like to know..."
Your talented man. Don't let the loss of your band stop you from continuing in that path.

Twenty-eight days... six hours... forty-two minutes... twelve seconds. That, is when the world will end.
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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:29 AM in reply to RoboticSilence's post starting "This is seconded. I'd like to know..."
If you guys want the full detailed account, here it is.

Wintermask consisted of myself, our drummer Jeff, our bassist Daniel, our guitarist Dan, and our lead-guitarist Kyler. For those of you who are unaware, Jeff is one of my best friends. I'm close to all of the guys in the band, but I've known Jeff for years, and we've always connected a lot more personally than any of the others have.

Six or seven months ago, Jeff and I were talking and really observing the outcome of this band's possible future. Our plans with Wintermask were to move out of this town once Daniel graduates from highschool and head for either Austin, Texas or Seattle, Washington. However, getting there was going to be rough. We realized a few very tough obstracles that lay before us. First, Dan lives in Salt Lake City, Utah. He has a wife, two kids, a nice house and a great job. He's got two other bands down there already, and so the chances of him uprooting his entire life for us were slim and none. Second, every time that the idea of moving with the band was brought up to Kyler, he always seemed lukewarm about it. He never really seemed too interested in continuing with the band after highschool, and as such, we assumed that most likely we were going to have to replace both guitarists at some point.

Then there was Daniel. He has, for about the last year or so, been seemingly distancing himself further and further from us. He would still rock out at shows, he would still get pumped to write new stuff. But, he was spending less and less free time with us, was listening to less and less of the same music that he used to and was just generally changing into somebody else. Daniel was a shaky bet, but certainly a hell of a lot steadier than Dan or Kyler were.

Looking at this rather grim picture of our future, Jeff said to me, "Well, it looks shitty, dude. But, no matter what, you and me are gonna stick together. I love this band, and I'm gonna do anything to keep it going." I was comforted by the fact that amidst this sea of uncertainty, Jeff was a place of solidarity. I was confident that he'd never change, because he never really has. I've known him since he was 13, and he's the same basic person he was back then.

So, fast forward to now. For the last three months or so, Daniel's commitment to the band had been slipping more and more. He was missing practices, he was making excuses and he was just generally pissing everybody else off. About two months ago, Jeff, Daniel and two friends of theirs (a guy named Austen and a guy named Andy) started a hardcore side-project named Cordite. That's all it was. A side-project. They don't even have a bassist. However, as time went by, we were seeing that Wintermask practices were becoming harder and harder to schedule, while Cordite practices were becoming more and more frequent.

I'd had fears in the back of my mind for the last month that this was going to happen. I kept telling myself that Jeff would never abandon me. He was one of my best friends, and to just leave me behind like that would be completely against everything he stands for.

About a week ago, I'm sitting at work. It's 2am and I get a phone call. It's Jeff, and immediately an alarm starts to sound in my head because he's always asleep by this time. He asks me if I want to go to dinner with him the next night and that alarm starts sounding off even louder. We never plan this shit. He just shows up and we grab something to eat. So, I agree, and the next night we head out for food. As we're waiting for a table, the waitress asks how many people are going to be with us and Jeff says "three." Now the alarm is splitting my head open because I know the third person is Daniel, and I know what they want to talk about.

So, we sit down and eventually Daniel joins us. They proceed to very slowly explain the situation to me and the course of the conversation goes like this. First, Daniel tells me that he's sick and damned tired of working with Kyler. He's sick of Kyler having so much control over the writing process and he's sick of Kyler's prima-donna attitude. I respond by saying that it's bullshit. If Daniel wanted more say in the wiriting process, all he needs to do is speak up. But he doesn't. He just sits there and lets Kyler take the reigns. So, that's excuse number one that I've shot down.

Then Daniel proceeds to explain that Kyler has apparently been talking a lot of shit about Wintermask lately, and that he's more dedicated to his new blues band anyway. I respond, that it's bullshit because Kyler has made more practices in the last three months than both Jeff and Daniel. Plus, I know the shit-talking argument is bullshit as well, because the next day, Kyler called me and proceeded to tell me "I can't believe that it's over. I loved that band." He then offered to start a new band up with me anytime I desired, and I might just end up going with him on that one. So, that's two excuses that I've shot down.

So, after hearing all of Daniel's complaints about Kyler and not wanting to play with him anymore, I try and come up with a solution. I tell Daniel and Jeff that they need to start asking around for a replacement. They know more people than I do and would be more easily able to locate a replacement. While they're taking care of that, I'll talk to Kyler and try to either defuse this situation and smooth things over, or I'll try to talk him into teaching his replacement all of our unrecorded songs. I explain this plan to them in very thought-out, detailed fashion and then ask them if they're okay with doing it. Jeff says, "no, I'm not okay with that."

I then decide to just cut through the bullshit and get to the fucking point. I say to them "you guys just want to fucking quit, don't you?" I ask Daniel why and he says "I don't want to quit, I'm just uncertain as to the future of this band. I'm 16, and over the next few years of my life, what I want now might not necessarily be what I want later. I'm just saying that I don't know what future there is for this band right now." That's a reasonable answer. It makes sense, and I can't be angry at him for it.

Then I turn to Jeff, the one person who was supposed to be a rock of solidarity in this whole mess, and I ask him for his explanation. He tells me that he doesn't want to play metal anymore and that he's having more fun in Cordite. He tells me that he's grown out of our style of music and doesn't want to keep playing. He's dead set on leaving this band, and nothing is going to change his mind.

After that I just got up and left. I walked home, three miles, through the snow, by myself and I haven't seen either one of them since.

Have you guys ever been cheated on by a girlfriend? You know how horrible that feels? To not be able to get the mental image of her and ther other man out of your head? That's what this is like. I've been dumped for Austen Adamson, and right now, Jeff is having a blast playing with his new band. I've been cheated on a few times by previous girlfriends, and I can tell you now, this is so much worse. Friends aren't supposed to do this to one-another. You aren't supposed to dump your friends for other people. Who the fuck am I supposed to turn to in this situation? Had it been a girlfriend, I would have turned directly to Jeff. He's one of my closest friends, and now he's the axis of everything that's tormenting me.

The worst part is my grim view of the future. Dan has a life in Salt Lake. The breakup of this band has certainly upset him, and I know, because I've talked to him at great length about it. However, he's got a future with his wife, kids and two other bands. Kyler is literally a musical prodigy, and absolutely has a life of music ahead of him. And now, Jeff and Daniel have a new band and new friends to make a new future with. I'm the only one without any idea of what to do next. I'm 22, and for the last two and a half years, I've poured every ounce of my creativity, willpower and focus into Wintermask. It was my plan, and now Jeff and Daniel have wiped that plan off the board.

That is what upsets me about this. I have no idea where to go or what to do now. I'm heading to Dallas sometime in the next few weeks to see my dad and to get the fuck out of this place for a while. I need to figure out what the hell I'm going to do now, and I can't do it with the weight of this separation crushing me from above. I'm going to continue to move forward, and I'm not going to let this trap me. It just sucks to think that you have to start over from scratch, and that's it's one of your closest friends that's responsible for it.
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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:39 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "If you guys want the full detailed..."
Oh, I had no idea it was that serious. I thought it was just something you did on the side. That is absolutely fucking horrible. I've had a few situations where friends have done things like that, and those people aren't my friends anymore, straight up. I don't deal with it, after the first time someone pulls something like that I just stop talking to them. But of course that's no consolation at all, I'm kind of for a loss. Those guys basically threw your life away. But on the flip side, is it fair to make them abandon their ambitions for you? I'm sure you've thought that way, since I always do. Doesn't make you feel any better though. What am I talking about? I don't know, do you? Probably not, considering I don't.

But hey, if you ever end up in New York for some reason, let's go get smashed. I guarantee it'll be amusing. (On another note, I don't know if you drink or smoke, I think you were one of those straight edge folks. Highly. Recommended. I don't know how people live without the stuff, man.)
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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:53 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "If you guys want the full detailed..."
Maybe you should take Kyler up on his offer but also take the new band in a different direction. Maybe a different style, but not a normal style of course.

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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:54 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "If you guys want the full detailed..."
Daniel is 16 and has a wife/kids/house ??
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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:55 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "Oh, I had no idea it was that serious...."
No, I know what you're saying Grav. It's not the fact that Jeff has broken up the band that upsets me, it's the fact that someone as unchanging and dependable as him changed so suddenly and so drastically. I understand that he needs to do what's best for him. I just wish that what was best for him was Wintermask.

The other thing about this separation that has made it about 100 times more painful than it should be is the way that Jeff has apparently been explaining the situation to other people. According to Kyler, the main reason that Jeff gave for breaking the band up was because "it's in Jonathan's best interests." That's fucking asinine. Throwing away my plans for the future and abandoning me is what's best for me? I can deal with the fact that he no longer wanted to be a part of this band. People change, and as much as it sucks, some people get left behind because of those changes. But the fact that he has the audacity to try and seem like he's doing me a fucking favor by breaking this band up is infuriating enough to literally make my blood boil.

The combination of those two factors is just unbearable. Had you told me six months ago that Jeff would do this to me, I would have slapped you in the face. I could never have imagined this to come from him, of all people.

And, no I don't drink or smoke, Grav. I'm not a "straight-edge" kid. Those people are fucking morons, and they turn their abstinence into a violently-followed religion. I just don't consume tobacco, alcohol or narcotic substances. I've got my reasons for it, and no amount of cajoling would ever change my mind. The last week of my life is the closest I've come to just giving up and getting hammered, and I've chosen to just keep going to way I have for 22 years.

However, I'm not above watching you get smashed and laughing hysterically at your goofy ass!

Oh, and we've got two "Dan"s in the band, Grav. Dan (the guitarist) is 22, has a wife, kids and a house. Daniel (the bassist) is 16 and is in Jeff's new hardcore band.
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Posted 2005-01-17, 12:59 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "No, I know what you're saying Grav. ..."
I'm telling you, honestly, that having a little somethin somethin helps. A lot.

I'm not talking about taking Soma, but.. anyway. How about BOWLING?

I went bowling on friday night, and I am still totally broken. I had been drinking previously and.. I went a little overboard on the bowling, I guess. Who knew they even made 20 lb bowling balls??
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Posted 2005-01-17, 01:02 AM in reply to RoboticSilence's post starting "Maybe you should take Kyler up on his..."
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Maybe you should take Kyler up on his offer but also take the new band in a different direction. Maybe a different style, but not a normal style of course.
Trust me, that's a very serious consideration on my part. Kyler's an awesome guy, and starting up a new band with him might be the way I go. There's also a possibility that I might end up pursuing something with Dan (in Salt Lake), because he's one of my bro's (as he would put it) and he likes a lot of the same music I'm into these days.
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Posted 2005-01-17, 01:04 AM in reply to Raziel's post starting "Trust me, that's a very serious..."
I wouldn't go with that Dan guy, even if he is your friend. He's too restrictive, with his set life.
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Posted 2005-01-17, 01:07 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "I'm telling you, honestly, that having..."
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I'm not talking about taking Soma, but.. anyway. How about BOWLING?

I went bowling on friday night, and I am still totally broken. I had been drinking previously and.. I went a little overboard on the bowling, I guess. Who knew they even made 20 lb bowling balls??
Soma is nasty shit. That and Ambien.

Bowling is awesome, but I suck at it pretty badly. I can't get my approach down. I instinctively want to end with my right foot, and I throw right-handed, so I end up having to tweak my wrist really awkwardly to shoot straight.
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