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Posted 2003-12-23, 08:13 AM in reply to Raziel's post "Quarter-Finals! Magus vs. Raziel"
Raziel said:
I'll tell you my theory. It's because his barrier doesn't work outside of his castle. While on his own home turf, he has enough power at his command to single-handedly tear holes in time. But, when he gets sucked into a portal sending him 10,000 years into the past, he finds himself stranded. Outside of his domain, he loses a great deal of his power. Considering that Raziel is not fighting Magus in his castle, it could be argued that Magus' barrier doesn't work at all.
That's not why. The reason he doesnt have it in that time is because he didnt prepare for the battle. He had prepared to face Lavos when you are in his castle and you catch him while he was summoning Lavos after he was done doing his preperation.

Raziel said:
Plus, it's also a fact that after Magus joins your party, normal weapons and melee attacks from enemies can do him normal damage. It could be argued that his weapon defenses are also attached to his castle. So, it's very likely that in this fight, Magus doesn't have any special defenses against weapons at all.
It would be again preparation he did.

Raziel said:
A second argument that I could pose is that even if Magus' barrier somehow managed to work in this arena, he's got one major weakness in it. During the first fight with Magus in Chrono Trigger, the player is told by the game which spell type Magus is weak against at any given moment. Considering that Crono and his friends never encountered Magus before, and therefore they didn't know anything about his elemental-change barrier, that obviously means that they can tell what his elemental weakness is just by looking at him. Perhaps his aura glows a certain color or maybe it's something else, but obviosuly Magus has some sort of visible giveaway that alerts enemies as to what his elemental weakness is. Raziel can change Reavers instantly, and therefore he can damage Magus at any time with almost no preparation.
Actualy, Frog seen Magus fight in the past which would explain why you know his weakness. Anyway, the element of spell Magus cast arnt the type that Raziel has. Which mean Raziel can change his reaver all he want it still wont be the right element.

Raziel said:
Laser Spin causes "Shadow-type damage." That's Spekkio's exact quote. Robo's shadow-type attacks use MP and mimic magic, Spekkio said it himself. It's a magical attack, the Reaver is not.
Spekkio doesnt say anything that say it is magic he says only that he is a big toy, he isnt alive and that he cannot give him magic. But his Laser Spin does Shadow Damage and would suffice. He does NOT say that it is magic. A ligther does fire damage yet it isnt magic is it ? Robo Tackle use MP and it is not magic. Like i said with many other attacks in several games require use of mp that arnt magic. Mp is simply mental power. A machine can achieve a high mental power yet has no will. What is done with it can be like Chrono Slash, Cylcone or Ayla Triple Kick. Mental Power can be used to create magic or to enchance the ability. A Robot as no will power as proven in the game. They only have mental power which is something machine can have. In Chrono Trigger Magic user need 2 things. A will of their own (Spekkio and Lucca explain that part) and living during time and higher where magic existed(Told by Spekkio). If they a character did not fit the 2 category they couldnt use MAGIC. Which is why Robo AND Ayla cannot have magic as he say to them individualy since they do not fit both category.

Raziel said:
Therefore, Magus is a threat to Raziel's life, and if he's a threat to Raziel's life he's a threat to Raziel restoring balance to Nosgoth. Therefore, Raziel is fighting what he percieves to be an enemy of Nosgoth's restoration and therefore he is fighting Magus with the heroic intention of surviving and continuing on his quest. The Reaver cuts right through Magus' defenses.
Wrong, Raziel would still be able to go on with his quest after the tournament. He would be eleminated from the tournament. He wouldnt actualy be striped of his *life*.
He would be able to restore Nosgoth and the tournament wouldnt have anything heroic about it. Nor, would it affect Raziel quest in ANY way.

Raziel said:
1. The Reaver is not magical, therefore Magus' barrier does not absorb it. You said it yourself, Magus' barrier absorbs magical energy, and the Reaver is not magical in nature. Robo's Laser Spin attack is magical, Spekkio says it himself in Chrono Trigger, that's whay Magus can absorb it.
Magical and Elemental. Your argument that a machine (Which speikko say clearly that he has no willpower to mesure and that Lucca say as well when she get told to watch out Robo might be evil she says. "Robot do what they are programed" So they have no will of their own proven by 2 character which is why Robo doesnt use and cannot use magic even in the game it is said. I dont see how i even still need to state it again and again. The mimic magic would be just like saying if i threw some dry ice at someone i would be casting a ice spell.

Raziel said:
2. Magus' barrier either doesn't work outside of his castle (which is why he can't use it when he joins your party or when you fight him the second time) or if it does Raziel can tell what Magus' elemetal weakness is just by looking at him. Plus, because he's not in his castle, Magus weapon defenses might not work at all, considering that normal melee attacks from enemies do him damage when he joins your party.
Read what i said up there about his barrier.

Raziel said:
3. In this fight, Raziel is using the Reaver to defend himself so that he can continue his quest to restore balance to Nosgoth. He did not willingly pick this fight with Magus, and Magus did not willingly pick this fight with Raziel. Raziel percieves Magus as a threat to his life, and therefore a threat to Nosgoth's balance. Therefore, he is using the Reaver with good intentions, therefore it does normal damage to Magus.
He cant die... He will be able to come back out of the tourney to restore his balance this *threat* is none existant.

Raziel said:
4. Magus has absolutely no defense against TK attacks, therefore his advantage of flight is nullified, The instant he tries to lift off into the air, Raziel will pull him right back down. Plus, Raziel can deal him normal damage any time he wants by simply slamming him through a few feet of concrete headstones, or into a crypt wall.
A headstone so strong as to deal damage when weapon barely scartch ? I dont think so. TK would only gain time for doing nothing really and it's not like Raziel can always do it. he need to regen his TK bar.

Raziel said:
5. This one is my favorite. Magus has no ability to heal himself whatsoever. His only opportunity to heal himself is if his magic barrier works (which I've already basically proved that it won't in this fight) if Raziel casts a Reaver Spell that he can absorb (the Reaver is not magical, therefore it won't heal Magus) and if Raziel isn't paying any attention to what Magus' elemental weakness is, because obviously, he can tell just by looking at him. Basically, Magus has no chance in Hell of healing himself.
Raziel doesnt even have a ice, fire or lightning attacks. Which mean it would heal a lot. Read above for Barrier.

Raziel can't possibly win.

Magus: "I guess you wernt prepared for the void!"
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