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stunt101 2004-06-06 09:24 PM

nintendo 2005 name
 
any one who nows nitendo 2005 name

!King_Amazon! 2004-06-06 09:34 PM

WHAT? .

slaynish 2004-06-06 10:15 PM

Needs to be moved, and deleted. This makes no sense.

‡AC‡ 2004-06-06 10:32 PM

I think he meant, "Does anyone know the 2005 name of nintendo's ____________?"

Can anyone figure out the blank part?

!King_Amazon! 2004-06-06 10:58 PM

I can't figure out the unblank part.

D3V 2004-06-06 11:42 PM

Nintendo DS. Dual Screen gameboy looking thing. To come out 2k5.

Raziel 2004-06-06 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Nintendo DS. Dual Screen gameboy looking thing. To come out 2k5.

Wrong. The DS is coming out this November, and the DS title is only a codename. The actual product title has yet to be announced.

There is no information on Nintendo's next home console. The only info we have is that it will most likely be released in 2005 and that the codename is "Revolution".

D3V 2004-06-07 12:07 AM

I thought the DS came out 1st quarter 2k5. Lol oh well, it was a good guess.

Raziel 2004-06-07 12:21 AM

No, that would be an awful time to release it. Consoles and handhelds are traditionally released in November, just in time for Christmas shopping. Releasing the DS in Q1 of next year would be an awful idea. Sony's PSP is supposed to be coming out sometime next year, so that may be why you got confused.

D3V 2004-06-07 01:01 AM

Yeah late at night my mind seems to work assbackwards.

I'm ready for the PSP I've red a slight bit about it, hopefully it'll live up to its expectations :-\

Raziel 2004-06-07 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Yeah late at night my mind seems to work assbackwards.

I'm ready for the PSP I've red a slight bit about it, hopefully it'll live up to its expectations :-\

Technologically, yes, it will be pretty damned cool. In terms of software and sales, though, it's going to bomb. Here's why:


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Originally Posted by Raziel
I really almost kind of feel bad for Sony in this situation. They're walking into a minefield with the PSP. Nintendo has owned 100% of the portable market for how many years now? Five? Seven? Ten?

I don't think Sony understands the danger of this particular market. Handhelds are primarily dominated by a specific age demographic, those being kids age 6 to 14. Any age demographic above that doesn't hold nearly as much of the pie. Who are the people that are plunking down all the cash for those handhelds? Parents. Think about it logically: are a kid's parents going to shell out 200, perhaps 300 bucks so their kid can have another handheld? You know how parents are about these things: "Don't you already have one of those? I'm not buying you that!" That eliminates Sony's hopes of taking hold of the young gamer demographic.

What about older gamers? I'm talking about 15-25 year old nerds that carry their GBA with them wherever they go. What real motivation is there for an older nerd to pick up a PSP? Any older gamer who is interested in portable gaming already owns a Gameboy Advance, and has come to trust Nintendo as being The Bible in terms of handheld gaming. They automatically trust Nintendo, and are probably already intending to pick up a DS. So, that right there eliminates Sony's potential grasp on the older nerd demographic.

Sony's only hope of success with the PSP is to target older, casual gamers. The kinds of guys that own a PS2, a copy of GTA: Vice City and a few Madden games. Sony is banking the success of the PSP on the notion that there will be this massive influx of non-gamer college students and late-highschool kids that suddenly feel the need to play video games between classes. The PSP isn't being marketed to kids, parents shopping for Christmas presents or older nerds. It's being marketed to older "casual" gamers, and that's a really sketchy demographic to market a handheld for. I honestly can't tell you of a single college-age frat-type-guy that I know is just itching to pick up a portable gaming device.

I really think this is a bad move on Sony's part. It's certainly ballsy of them to try and wedge their way into this market, but I honestly can't see them getting anywhere with it. There's always a chance I could be horribly wrong about this, but logic dictates otherwise.

On top of that, since Sony announced that the PSP won't be coming out this year, their only option is to wait until next year. That automatically cuts the PSPs sales drastically. Why? Because the DS is coming out in November. The thing is finished, and it has a massive library of games to draw upon for launch, considering that it's backwards compatible with the Gameboy.

This winter, parents all over the country are going to be buying $120 to $150 DS handhelds for their kids this Christmas. Does Sony really think that those same parents are going to spend $200 to $300 on another handheld next winter? Hell no. Sony's only option is to release it this summer, when kids are out of school and can get jobs so they can buy the hardware themselves. If Sony waits unil next November, it will be too late. The DS will already be holding the vast majority of the market, and those buying kids will be back in school.

I'm genuinely impressed with the PSP, I truly am, but Sony will fail. Nintendo has beat out 9 competitors in the handheld market and they did it with a clunky grey brick with nauseating green graphics. They have held 100% of the market for almost a decade. Again, I truly feel sorry for Sony, because the PSP will die.

D3V 2004-06-07 01:45 AM

Yes, but then again, what has really put up any competition? The damn Sega Genesis was the shit. It had a BIGGER screen, Color, and better games like Sonic. At the time it was the pwn, but Sega wasted all of their time and effort into their dreamcast, and when the new arrival of gaming systems came out, Sega was done for, they just make games for other systems now.

I think the PSP will do suprisingly well that most think, even though the DS is highly anticipated, what else can we expcet from gameboy? Wow, its got 2 screens, heh, cool. Yeah, it gets boring fast. Sony atleast can suprise gamers with , well , the element of suprise.

Raziel 2004-06-07 02:13 AM

Here's yet another monstrous reason why the PSP is not going to succeed.


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Originally Posted by Raziel
The Sony PSP is basically a portable PS2. The screen is phenomenal, the graphics processing capabilities are astounding and it's an extremely sleek machine. It is capable of handling PS2-level graphics and the size of the games will probably be no issue either.

And that is precisely where Sony's problem lies.

It has already been established in America that consumers will not pay the same amount of money for a handheld game as they will for a home console game. Consumers expect handheld games to be 10 to 20 dollars cheaper, and to try and price them any higher than that is financial suicide. Nintendo has established this fact, and consumers will expect this same amount of pricing from Sony.

On the flipside, if people buy the PSP, they are going to expect PS2-quality games. They are going to want games that stack up technologically and structurally to a hit PS2 game. The problem with that is that PS2 games cost an enormous amount of money to produce. That's where Sony makes all of their video game profit, on the games themselves. Sony already loses enough money on their consoles, so the games have to be priced very high in order to make up for it.

This creates a very serious problem for Sony. We have already established that Sony can not afford to price their PSP games too high. The public won't stand for it. We have also already established, though, that Sony can not release lower-than-PS2 quality games on the PSP. The public expects PS2 quality games. So, what is Sony's only option? Ports. Sony's only viable chocie with the PSP is to load it up with ports and hope that the public doesn't have a problem with paying for a portable version of the games they already own.

The PSP is going to fail. It will die, just like every other handheld that has challenged Nintendo.

The PSP has every possible odd stacked against it. Already the PSP has had 75% of it's potential userbase dissolved, already it has had it's launch timeframe diminished and has had that time frame lose a lot of potency. Plus, the game selection on the handheld has shown a forecast of severe weakness.

Like I said, it's a very nifty piece of technology, but it won't go anywhere. There's nowhere for it to go.

Insane Chaoz 2004-06-07 03:10 AM

Heh.. I'll still buy it anywayz, plus I talked to most people about it; they said that the PSP will win heh. It doesn't matter much anywayz; we will see when it comes out.

Raziel 2004-06-07 03:49 AM

Well, when somebody gives me logical reason to believe the PSP will do anything but stagnate, I might believe you. Until then, logic dictates that it won't live to see 2007.

By the way, somebody needs to move this to General Gaming.

Slim 2004-06-07 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by D3V
Yes, but then again, what has really put up any competition? The damn Sega Genesis was the shit. It had a BIGGER screen, Color, and better games like Sonic.

D3v you're mistaken here. The genesis was the home console from sega, the GAME GEAR was their portable.

YoungBlood 2004-06-07 06:17 PM

the ds looks pretty cool, I would try to get both psp and ds, but hey I think the sells would be a little affected by the release of the new console called the phantom.

Grav 2004-06-07 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Slim
D3v you're mistaken here. The genesis was the home console from sega, the GAME GEAR was their portable.

Maybe he means the Nomad.

Hades-Knight 2004-06-07 08:39 PM

He firts poster is talking about the new nintendo console, I was watching G4Techtv yesterday and they said that nintendo had said that they are working in it and that it wont be an upgrade to GC, they say it'll be brand new

Raziel 2004-06-07 10:49 PM

"Revolution" is a new console. There is supposed to be some badass new Gamecube peripheral coming out this year, but Nintendo hasn't said exactly what it is. Either way, there will be a brand new console, and it will be coming out at nearly the exact same time as the next Sony console. Nintendo learned their lesson the hard way this generation, and they're not going to allow it to happen ever again.


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