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Kuja`s #1 2003-09-18 12:12 PM

Dante, Dante, Dante...
 
You fool. You survived the last battle. Indead you will need your rest. For your next opponent is [COLOR=dark blue]Auron[/COLOR] Haha, you don't stand a chance. When this battle occurs, we will finally see who is the "King" of the PS2. U GOIN' DOWN!

Senesia 2003-09-18 12:44 PM

Then you should research on Dante's weakness.

Kuja`s #1 2003-09-18 01:22 PM

"True knowledge is gained from experience. You must live something in order to know it." Well I'm just saying I'll play the game. Most of my FF knowledge was gained out of extensive playing. That's why I am GUAD! Hmmm..who has that in their profile? Anyway, I'll play Devil May Cry and figure out ALL of Dante's weaknesses and I'm sure there are many.

Medieval Bob 2003-09-18 02:36 PM

If you're playing it, the number of weaknesses stand to be countless.

Titusfied 2003-09-18 02:36 PM

Good luck, but that Battle is yet a while away. :)

uncapped 2003-09-18 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuja`s #1
"True knowledge is gained from experience. You must live something in order to know it." Well I'm just saying I'll play the game. Most of my FF knowledge was gained out of extensive playing. That's why I am GUAD! Hmmm..who has that in their profile? Anyway, I'll play Devil May Cry and figure out ALL of Dante's weaknesses and I'm sure there are many.

Dude, just stop it. You're taking this way out of hand.

Titusfied 2003-09-18 02:46 PM

No, these Battles are to be taken seriously, and if this is the way he wants to go about it, fine. We just might have conflicting views! ;)

Shining Knights 2003-09-18 08:24 PM

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

!King_Amazon! 2003-09-18 08:25 PM

It was something like 3v1 with senesia being the only one supporting Dante(that I can remember) and he won. That's BS IMO.

Titusfied 2003-09-18 08:43 PM

Fact of the matter is, I really didn't see very good arguements or moves that would fully justify a Squall victory. You guys ALL relied way too much on the fact that he was in SEED and that should cover ALL aspects, which is horseshit. Senesia showed a variety or attack methods, various tactics, and just a better all around Battle encompassment.

Honestly, I really don't feel the need to have to explain myself. You saw one thing, and I saw another. Evidently, Raziel saw it as well, or else Squall would have won...

Raziel 2003-09-18 11:20 PM

Here's why I chose Dante for the win. Senesia put forth the best arguments in Squalls favor. The SeeD argument was a good start people, but you can't just say "He was a SeeD" and think that it will win the argument for him. If I had been in your positions, I would have said something to this effect:

SeeDs and Garden Cadets in general are trained extensively in how to be absolute, hardcore badasses. Particularly in combat, and even without the use of GFs or magic. One of the cornerstones of SeeD training is knowing your opponent inside and out. Hence the reason that SeeDs take written exams based on monster and combat knowledge in order to recieve promotions, as opposed to actual combat experience. The thing that the Gardens want to instill most heavily in a SeeD is a near-limitless fountain of combat knowledge and opponent information to draw off of in battle. Much like Batman.

Since Squall is certainly at the top of his class (why the hell else would Cid put so much faith in him?) it is reasonable to assume that he has an incredible ability for combat analysis and weakness-exploitation. Since this is a tournament, it is also reasonable to assume that Squall would know who he was fighting in advance, and therefore would be capable of gathering intelligence on Dante and then forming a battle plan ahead of time. Now, honestly, I couldn't tell you what his plan would entail, but then again, I haven't been trained in combat tactics at a futuristic boot camp for the better part of my life. Rest assured, he would come up with something, and it would most likely work.

Another argument I would like to address is Senesia mentioning Dante's "taunts." What in the world would make you think name-calling would affect Squall at all? Squall Leonhart is a black hole of emotion. He is cold, calculating and heartless, particulalry in combat. Emotion plays no part in Squall's approach, so why would taunting him have any effect? One would have to assume that there is a reason for why Dante becomes more powerful the more frequently he taunts an opponent, and it's certainly not because he likes to hear himself talk. The most obvious reason would be because he "gets off" on angering his opponents. He's half-demon, so it would be natural to estimate that his "demonic" side takes joy in bringing his opponents mental unrest. In other words, by taunting and angering his opponents he empowers himself, feeding off the negative reaction to his verbal assaults. Squall wouldn't react to it at all. As I stated before, he's a vacuum of emotion, so it's not entirely realistic to imagine that Dante would become more powerful simply by taunting the boy.

With that handful of arguments, I'm confident that Dante's few mental advantages would be neutralized, and considering that their physical characteristics are damn near equal, Squall would be able to pre-plan and outsmart Dante. One well-placed Lionheart would be more than enought to tip the scales in Squall's favor and set Dante up for the fall of his life. Squall wins, Dante cries himself to sleep tonight.


You see what I've done there guys? Most of that is assumption, but all of it is backed with hard evidence. Make assumptions based on concrete fact, look beyond the Limit Breaks and Materia combinations, think outside the box. When you start thinking about the entire character and not just how much equipment and magic they can sling around, you'll start convincing the judges. Had any of you said something to this effect, you would have convinced me to give the win to Squall. Senesia's arguments were quite thorough, but they adhered almost entirely to what Dante was physically capable of demonstrating in the game.

I didn't want to do this, I didn't want to have to give examples, but I'm tired of hearing people complain. I can come up with a myriad of arguments that work within the confines of the new rule, and I happen to think that the above argument is pretty damned persuasive. I can do it, and so can all of you.

Medieval Bob 2003-09-18 11:39 PM

*bitchslap*

::edit:: oops sorry for spam.

*ammending spam*
Ya that's a good argument. Plus the fact that it was all in bold made it seem more factual.

Senesia 2003-09-18 11:48 PM

Hehe, I can counter some of them (Raziel's points), and possibly bringing the battle to another level.

To be honest, I don't mind if Squall has won...I see that most people don't know much about Dante's capabilities, therefore I tried and gave a (sort of) detailed description of Dante's fighting style and such.

I was hoping for others to counter it...not by plainly saying "Dante's nothing, Squall has something...! Easy victory for Squall..." Because I'm pretty sure that I have more to say, if some arguments were brought forth.

Then things can get more interesting...

Medieval Bob 2003-09-18 11:59 PM

Ya, I do see Zelaron Melee as a chance for a lot more competent activity on the forums.

Thank you all the people who got it started. May you live forever in the eyes of the Klingon.

*blink* Did I actually just say that? Omfg... I need sleep.

Shining Knights 2003-09-19 07:13 AM

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Medieval Bob 2003-09-19 08:31 AM

And you're just whining like a little baby now.

You're ridiculing Senesia for saying that Dante would use the moves and attacks that he has. What the fuck would you want him to use instead?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinto
Yes, and my argument has been, yet again, missed. Why, because it states everything that would happen. Squall, would win, very easily!

Yes, lets have Dante jump in the air(how high again?) and shoot guns. Yes, gee I forgot does he have lock on target guns too? Squall would dodge the punny bullets, or block them with his Big Old Sword. All you have stated for Dante was he has a lot of corny Weapons, and he is fast. Also, what does taking pain have to do with anything? Nothing, because Squall wouldn't be the one with the pain on him, Dante would be.

Also, Sen. Saying that Squall isn't week, and being soft on him, and giving him credit is also fucking your point up. This battle is chosen, and Squall has won. He has my vote, that's if someone can change my mind.

P.S

About Dante's speed. As in my battle plot. I have noted that Squall would pick up on the crazy mofoing moves. So, even if he dodges shit, Squall will hit him. Squall is in SEED, learns a lot about combat, trains everyday, goes to school to learn, is not stupid, and knows tactics(hence SEED). Yes, let Dante crawl around, and get hit with a GunBlade.

In that entire post, your only argument is that Squall trains.
You ridiculed Dante's attacks and weaponry because you knew nothing of them.

*OMFG* I just read all your posts again. I noticed, that that's the ONLY argument you made for Squall besides the following:

Quote:

Well, because of higher ranks, Squall has been striped of most of his charm. But still kicks ass.
Just because you wrote a "story" does not mean that it is in any way a convincing argument. So stop being a fucking child, and either participate, or don't whine and moan like a fucking whore about being overlooked.

Senesia 2003-09-19 10:02 AM

Who say Dante isn't smart, and calm in battle? He has almost the same quality as Squall when he comes to these things.

So Squall's from SeeD. Dante's the Son of Sparda, the Legendary Dark Knight, and he has demonic blood in him. Dante learns about combat since he was a child, I think that would be equal, if not better than the training in SeeD.

3 vs. 1? I thought it was Shinto, Kuja`s #1 on Squall, and Bob, Me on Dante. Of course, Bob didn't say as much, only because...there wasn't much new things to be said. All Kuja did was..."Dante's nothing." Not very convincing if you ask me. So, it was not a 3 vs. 1, afterall...and that seems to be the main reason why you are so pissed...

Shining Knights 2003-09-19 10:40 AM

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

!King_Amazon! 2003-09-19 10:53 AM

King, shinto, Kuja's #1 VS Senesia and Bob, I didn't say much and neither did Bob, so it's still uneven and unfair.

Senesia 2003-09-19 02:06 PM

What do you mean by uneven and unfair?

I don't understand. Does it matter if it was 10 vs 1, or 1 vs 1? It is not a matter of popularity...


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