The Chatholic Church: Gender Control
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Not only do they control people covertly, but they (the catholic church) openly threaten with excommunication. If you're a female and trying to be a priest, you'll be excommunicated. How can you, in good conscious, support a group of people that oppress your very sex? Why are males more holy or what the fuck ever? |
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In defense for myself, women are not oppressed, I don't see how them not becoming priests is oppression in any way. |
The female sex were the downfall of several Biblical heroes and have been subjected to (widely accepted) gender-role subjugation throughout history until the last century, I don't see how you can claim the oppression is a lie without plugging your ears and closing your eyes.
Churches treating males and females so differently just reeks of 'Seperate But Equal' and we all know how well that works out. Edit: I suppose I'm technically Agnostic, but for all the hate regarding 'LOLBIGBANG' vs 'LOLINTELLIGENTDESIGN', most people forget that the Big Bang theory was an attempt to imagine how things could have come about without the divine, not intended to be a foolproof theory. It's entirely likely that any explanation regarding the beginning of things is beyond the scope of human comprehension, especially with our limited understanding of how things work. |
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What's different about women that makes them unable to do it? Are you really so blind to think that your church thinks that women are EQUAL to men? Let me open your eyes a bit. I don't expect you to read all of these, but I'm going to make a nice big list for you. I would love it if you DID read all of them and attempt to dispute them, if you can. Unfortunately, I think you enjoy being oblivious to the truth. Don't worry, though, I'm not going to use anything but quotes from the very book that your religion is based on: The Bible. Quote:
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Here's one from the 10th commandment, which I'm sure you know very well as a religious person: Quote:
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I guess that will be all for now. I've spent like 3 hours now doing this, and I think this is more than enough to open your eyes, assuming that's possible. At the very least, dispute it. I'd rather not feel like my time was wasted. |
Actually, I feel like doing a little bit of summarization and drawing a few conclusions. However, I'm going to just do it in this post, since the last one is already monsterous.
Have you ever wondered why these things are part of your religion? Why does God look down on women like that? The answer, in my opinion, is because God isn't the one writing. Men wrote the bible. Men teach and taught the sermons. Women, a lot of times, weren't even ALLOWED TO LEARN about the bible. I kid you not. Isn't it obvious that this is simply a case of the people in power keeping it that way? The men say "well God says so, it's right here in the bible! He says we're superior to you." This keeps them in power, so that they can maintain control over women. Perhaps that's why women often weren't allowed to read about the bible? Perhaps that's why women aren't allowed to be priests? There's no logical reason for "God" to desire those things. Men desire those things. This allows and allowed men to be free to do whatever they wanted. They could sleep around, they could kill, they could treat "their women" however they wanted and get away with it. However, women weren't given the same freedom. Now, I'm not saying that things are as bad now as they were back then. I'm just saying, this is a VERY STRONG theme in the Bible. I don't see how you could possibly have read the bible and not seen it. Anyway, I'll be awaiting your response. |
Thanks for doing what I was entirely to lazy to do.
Edit: Some of that was actually even worse than I thought. I may have to pick up a Bible now... |
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Ezra, the male Jewish preistly scribe fellow who led 5000 Israelites to someplace or other, yes?
Sure you're not thinking about "Esther"? Last time I looked, that was a female name. |
soryy ii couldnt find the right book in the bible
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Either way, the rest of the books are either of unknown authorship or are written by men. It is within these books that the treatment of women by Christianity is established. |
A book written by men tells you that Christ bestowed the Priesthood upon women only. Don't fool yourself into believing all of that is the true, unadultered word of God. I'm not saying the bible isn't a great literary piece and, for the most part, has a lot of good wisdom to it. However, the ignorance it also spreads is retarded.
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As I mentioned in another thread, the ignorance it spreads is a primary objective.
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Hey !King_Amazon! I just wanted to let you know that I have read all of your passages from the bible and I am going to respond to them as soon as i can. i have been without internet for awhile so, bear with me.
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I've read through a bit of what everyone said.
I Highly dislike ANY gender separation. Infact, I dislike people says men are better physically but not mentally. I think we're all equal in all areas, but have been somewhat "brainwashed" so our bodies do not meet the state they can. As for the controlling thing, I agree. I think many beliefs are too controlling over people, again, female in particular. I had a friend a while back, she was Muslim. Her belief did not allow her to date anyone, period, and she would have an arranged marriage. She highly disliked this, being born in the US where almost everyone was dating, and free to choose the life they wanted almost completely. (infact, we secretly dated for a few months.) Basically, what I'm saying is People should do what they want, without control. That is, my belief at least. "Do what you want, as long as it is Just and Not cruel." |
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I gotta admit some of the things I read in the bible (back when I read it) disappointed me greatly. I also contested a man once which is a story I will now tell you in hopes you do not become as weak as he.
It was in the spring of 1995 and we lived in Salem. Ironically we lived on Church Street. Anyways this missionary came to our house and I opened the door. The man obviously tried to fast talk me thinking "Gee this kid must be stupid since his familly is poor." However I started asking question and would not let up. Here are those questions that day along with his dialouge. Priest: "Hello there. We are spreading the word of God you *WILL* learn with us this Sunday." Statement rather than question don't you agree? Richard: "No I think Church is a waste of time." Priest: "(Prays and starts making a scene.) Richard: "What are you doing?" Priest: "Praying to God to save your soul." Richard: "How do you know that I even have a soul? How do you know this precious God of yours exists? And who the hell said you can pray for me? You are not my better." Priest: "But God says I am your better." SHAZAM there it is in white and black. Older men are "The Best" no one may contest what they say and I will prove this as I go on just read through this and keep an eye open it will be the reoccuring theme. Yes I wrote down everything that was said that day since I had a terrible penmanship and was practicing by writing anything I could down for months. Richard: "Once again I ask who is this God you fear so much?" Priest: "I do not fear Him as he watches over me." Richard: "Even when you have sex, shit, piss, and masturbate?" (Yes I really said that.) Priest: "Such vulgar language from a child your parents have done a terrible job!" Richard: "Not as bad as you for having your child there dressed up in such a hot day and not letting her have any water." Priest: "God will take care of him do not worry he takes care of us all." Richard: "Who is God final chance to answer old man." Priest: "(Once again prays this time getting up he answers) Now you should know as I have prayed for it to be revealed to you and I know that you will now be blessed with knowledge beyond this world." Richard: "I still don't know who or what you are talking about and how do you know without a doubt and infallibly that there is another world? What is it's name and what is the race that lives there?" Priest: "I am talking about God's kingdom child." Richard: "Okay so I finally gleemed from that sentence that this God is a person. But what is his name? Who is he? How do you beyond any reasonable doubt have proof he exists?" Priest: "Through prayer it has been revealed to me." Richard: "Answer my questions this is the last time I ask. Afterwards depending on your answers I might not kick you in the balls and scream rape.(Yes I had anger problems back then and still do when it comes to stupid people.) Who is God? How do you KNOW without a doubt he exists? Where is this Kingdom in this modern world? Why do you think that asking the air for answers will get you those answers and can you prove anything you say is true?" Priest: "Because *I* have been told so by Him." Richard: "Word of mouth isn't much to go by. Unless your daughter wants to say something to support it?" His daughter suddenly was frightened greatly. I knew something was wrong with this man and I was only 7 years old at the time. Priest (Suddenly angry): "It is not this whores place to answer questions of man! Hit her now!" Yes he asked me to hit her. At this point I decided to kick him in the balls and scream rape. After which the cops were eventually called now beyond writing no one thought I had proof. However I also recorded visits from people as my mother usually asked my sisters and I to do. After examining the evidence my parents were able to sue for mental damage and the damage he did to the door trying to break it down. As well his daughter was taken from him. The moment he asked me to hit her *I* *KNEW* this man was nothing more than crazy through both evidence and logic. Tell me can prayer bring evidence and logic? No. Because all prayer and meditation is is reflecting on your own descision. No matter what you will claim God told you the truth but in reality you only garnered your own biased choice towards the matter. Another question I frequently ask is why God would desire ANY of HIS OWN creations to be treated like that. To date and I am now 20 I have gotten NO answer. In fact all you mooks do is get on your knees and "Pray" and make a dramatic scene. The fact still remains that your religion which I have fought since I was 13 has gotten raped time and again by a mentally retarded young man who has anger issues. All I used was logic and evidence to do it too. So I now ask you. Who is God and why on earth would a supposed omnipitent being want something so evil to happen? Answer me or I will count this as another victory for the mentally retarded young man with anger problems. If your answer is not satisfactory I will ask again and again until you give me one. EDIT: By Satisfactory I mean an answer of logic and evidence which should not be hard to garner ,should what you think is truth, to be fact. |
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