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Demosthenes 2015-02-17 07:41 PM

Is Jesus Real in a Parallel Universe?
 
According to the multi-world interpretation of quantum mechanics, there should be a universe where an immensely powerful being was created very near the beginning who sent a Jesus to save humanity from what this being perceived as sins, and a devil that planted fossils to trick you into believing the world was far older than it is (along with the plethora of other evidence). Shouldn't there?

!King_Amazon! 2015-02-17 09:22 PM

I'm not terribly familiar with the theories, but I would assume the potential universes would still be bound by what is possible. Perhaps "what is possible" is variable, though.

My own personal theory would be something like that at some starting point, there is a single universe which is governed by some given set of laws. At every point in time where something could happen one way or another, a new universe is propagated to cover every potential outcome. Repeat ad infinitum, and you are still left with only universes containing possible outcomes of the initial universe.

So to answer your question, no, I don't think so.

D3V 2015-02-18 08:29 AM

After playing countless hours of Bioshock Infinite on each difficulty level I would have to determine that, yes. Jesus exists in an unlimited amount of worlds.

-Spector- 2015-02-18 10:33 AM

If there are an infinite amount of parallel universes then I would say yes, "God" is real and does exist in that universe. Since the roll of the dice was unlucky for God in this universe, he does not exist here. So.. he both exists and doesn't exist. That's not saying much though.. in another universe Hank Hill could be not only be real but also the Queen of England. God/Hank Hill/etc. are just variables that could be infinitely different.

Here's my pseudo code for answering multiverse questions

Code:

if ($something != real and $plane = $PresentPlane) {
$something = real where $plane = rand($PresentPlane * 0);
}


//waits for mockery from WW/GLG/Mantralord

::edit::

I suppose rand($PresentPlane * 0) could by an infinitesimally small chance come out to $PresentPlane so..

v1.01
Code:

$plane = $PresentPlane;
if ($something != real and $plane == $PresentPlane) {
$something = real where $plane = rand($PresentPlane * 0) and
$plane !== $PresentPlane;
};


Still not sure if I have the correct operator syntax but its pseudo code anyway so I guess.. its correct in some universe ;)

Skurai 2015-02-18 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !King_Amazon! (Post 704878)
My own personal theory would be something like that at some starting point, there is a single universe which is governed by some given set of laws. At every point in time where something could happen one way or another, a new universe is propagated to cover every potential outcome. Repeat ad infinitum, and you are still left with only universes containing possible outcomes of the initial universe.

More or less this.
Otherwise, worlds where this theory is incorrect exist.
Let that sink in.

Under K_A's assumption, the only way any god exists is if
1. The very core world started off by decided what the god was(making "the universe" a super-god, in that case), therefore having infinite possibilities, spawning infinite gods for each individual world.
2. Our world is a lesser reality to begin with, and a god watches over each outcome, deciding which one is "canon".
3. Any mix of the two.

Chruser 2015-02-18 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demosthenes (Post 704876)
According to the multi-world interpretation of quantum mechanics, there should be a universe where an immensely powerful being was created very near the beginning who sent a Jesus to save humanity from what this being perceived as sins, and a devil that planted fossils to trick you into believing the world was far older than it is (along with the plethora of other evidence). Shouldn't there?


You make a good point. I'll have my Christian minions (hey, I have my name for a reason) spend their money on wormhole-to-Jesus tech instead of generosity and pastor salaries as of now.

It's too bad that the fun, vanishingly improbable walk-through-walls kind of events never seem to happen in this particular universe. :(

-Spector- 2015-02-18 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chruser (Post 704894)
I'll have my Christian minions (hey, I have my name for a reason) spend their money on wormhole-to-Jesus tech instead of generosity and pastor salaries as of now.


This.. is gold.

D3V 2015-02-19 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skurai (Post 704887)
More or less this.
Otherwise, worlds where this theory is incorrect exist.
Let that sink in.

Under K_A's assumption, the only way any god exists is if
1. The very core world started off by decided what the god was(making "the universe" a super-god, in that case), therefore having infinite possibilities, spawning infinite gods for each individual world.
2. Our world is a lesser reality to begin with, and a god watches over each outcome, deciding which one is "canon".
3. Any mix of the two.

All of this is conjecture. Even if one could prove that God exists through some sort of mathematical computation, algorithmic conglomerate of equations etc - it wouldn't matter.

Seeing God and feeling God and becoming God is where it's at.

I recommend DMT.

-Spector- 2015-02-19 03:28 PM

Man wanders through life looking for purpose and answers
Man finds Christianity
Man worships God/Jesus
Man still wanders through life looking for purpose and answers
Man finds Drugs
Man still wanders through life looking for purpose and answers
Man finds self
Man still wanders through life looking for purpose and answers

Skurai 2015-02-20 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V (Post 704899)
Seeing God and feeling God and becoming God is where it's at.

I recommend DMT.

See
Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V (Post 704899)
All of this is conjecture.


We could likely exist in a world where the universe simply decided to scrap the "god" idea.

Either way, his whole thread falls prey to Newton's Flaming Laser Sword.

Demosthenes 2015-02-22 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skurai (Post 704887)
Otherwise, worlds where this theory is incorrect exist.
Let that sink in.

What theory? Quantum mechanics? The whole many-worlds hypothesis is predicated on quantum mechanical predictions. It basically says that all possible quantum states exist in their own universe. This doesn't leave any room for universes where the laws of quantum mechanics don't exist, while still leaving plenty of room for my hypothetical God/Jesus.

D3V 2015-02-23 09:03 AM

My point is that theoretical, theoretics, theorizing anything is essentially pointless until things are proven. Even one step further, all is null until experienced.

Skurai 2015-02-25 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demosthenes (Post 704915)
What theory? Quantum mechanics? The whole many-worlds hypothesis is predicated on quantum mechanical predictions. It basically says that all possible quantum states exist in their own universe. This doesn't leave any room for universes where the laws of quantum mechanics don't exist, while still leaving plenty of room for my hypothetical God/Jesus.

Ah! I was told that it was only a theory! A theory that, there is an alternate universe for literally anything; including an alternative world where the theory is incorrect. I assume it's still possible for these worlds to exist, only isolated/unreachable by (nearly) any means. But now that I know it's not a theory - neato!

Skurai 2015-02-25 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V (Post 704917)
My point is that theoretical, theoretics, theorizing anything is essentially pointless until things are proven. Even one step further, all is null until experienced.

Newton's Flaming Laser Sword, anyone?

-Spector- 2016-03-27 09:34 AM

LPT: We don't exist.


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