Gun laws?
 

I'd like to hear both sides of the story, really.



I know that there are some that admire the constitution and want to uphold it word by word. As the 2nd amendment states, that everyone bares right to a gun. Now, take into consideration this was in the 1770's when the constitution was written and we were still under attack by our ex-enemies from the East.

I will place my opinions in later on, but really do you feel that Firearms, any type should be allowed in the States? There are so many angles to take on almost everything..




.....Discuss.

I'm a hick so I'm all for guns. A neighbor of mine just got his wrists and throat slit open with a razorblade. That's pretty fucking deadly in its own sense, so what would it matter if he was shot?

I'm going to be purchasing a firearm very soon.

i needz protection yo

I have several handguns and a Chinese SKS, I'll keep this comment short, basicly if you make it illegal to own and or carry fire arms then you make certain that criminals are the only ones with the guns, Also, You have two ways to get what you want, one is reason and negotiation, the other is force, if we as citizens retain and excersice our right to own and carry then that forces others to reason with us, take away the guns and our rights and property can be taken by force, and I'm not with that

I'm not exactly sure where I stand on Gun Laws.

I mean there are so many sides of the argument really, I don't really feel that everyone should be entitled to a gun, hence criminals, ex-cons, people with violent backgrounds, etc. I think it should be somewhat harder to obtain a firearm, no matter what it is being that of a hunting rifle or handgun, whatever.

Also, being that most criminals aren't actually purchasing these guns from stores/gun shops they are usually stolen or bought stolen, so that aspect doesn't really help.

I think it's just the mentality of owning a gun, people act cocky with them, show them off way too much, like if I were to purchase one it would stay concealed in the same location and I wouldn't anybody probably other than my girlfriend know about it, or whomever is real close to me, family-etc.

That's just me though.

I don't act cocky because of my weapons I cannot speak for others but when ever I get really angry, usually in traffic, I do sometimes let my thoughts sliip to blowing someone's head off, but in fact, my guns keep me grounded, sorta like nuclear weapons, I KNOW that I would win the arguement, and I immediatly calm down because I know that while that motherfucker would be dead, my life would also be over, and I'd have to sit in prison or even face the death penalty, Violent offenders, felons, domestic violence convicts cannot own guns, and actually carrying a conceaL and carry permit, you cannot let it be seen in public o r you could get a citation, while without the permit you can carry openly in public, except for crowded public areas like wal mart, carnivals, ect, You also are forbidden to carry concealed or otherwise a weapon into an establishment that either servs alcohol or prohibits the firearms in their venue

The reason I think the second amendment is antiquated and should be expunged:

The moment you take someone's life, you've lost the argument.

Yeah, just you talking about your gun makes you sound more arrogant, and I know you disagree, but you did contradict yourself in saying you don't get cocky, and then right after say you'd blow somebody elses head off.

Maybe you guys didn't understand my point, When I do get angry knowing that I could destroy someone els' life aswell as my own, immediatly calms me down and I think about how ignorant that kind of thinkinig is, and besides I could put the claw of my hammer in the back of the antagonizers head and have the same effect, want to ban hammers too'question mark' No matter which way you look at it, taking away the lawful ability to own a firearm, immedialy empowers criminals, they will KNOW that Johnny Doogooder over there does NOT have protection, not to mention the Government, with our arms they cannot take but so much liberty from us or we will stand up for our selves, take away our armament and they caN lock us down without consequence

You know that, the 2nd amendment was written when we were at war with our newly found friends from the East right?.. We don't have anything happening at home that we need to defend from.. really.

Just take this philosophy, would the world be better off with everyone owning guns, or nobody owning guns?

Nobody owning guns is impossible, and the 2nd amendment was written so the people could protect themslves from the government, I understand your point bro but the fact is that if you make it illegal to own guns, law abiding citizens like myself will either become criminals, or defensless against criminals who will be the only ones with the guns, even if you could make all guns vanish, if someone wants to kill someone they will find another weapon, you cannot take the evil out of people, it'll be a knife or a stick or a vehicle or a rock, or a damn bow and arrow, point is, guns dont kill people, stupid motherfuckers with guns kill people, One thing you have correct is there would be less accidental gun deaths, but that doesn't outweigh the need to protect ourselves from criminals, and criminal government

I see your point as well, which is why I go back to my origional argument which is that we just need to make it harder to obtain a firearm/concealed weapons permit...

well here in VA you can go just buy one, but they do a national background check, and my record has a couple bullshit misdomeanors on it so they make me wait a day, and the conceal permit you gotta go to the courthouse and jump through hoops, but there's some loopholes in gun show laws they have just recently closed so that even a private dealer has to do proper background checks, and I'm all for that, I'm all for keeping violent criminals and mentally ill from being able to just go buy a gun, like the tard that shot up vtech

The 2nd Ammendment wasn't written because we were at war with friends from the East. The consitution was written years upon years after the Revolutionary War's conclusion.

If college kids in universities like Northern Illinois and Va Tech were permitted to legally carry guns those fucks would not have killed or injured near as many students, better yet if the shooters knew that the students were allowed to carry protection they might not have even tried that shit, just a thought

The second amendment was written long before assault rifles were around. Back then they probably had muskets that were highly inacurate, and pistols that were also inacurate. You couldn't just go mow down a bunch of people at once. At most, you could take out a couple of people if you were really pissed at them.

I'm all for someone being able to have a pistol for personal protection, but there is absolutely no reason for anyone but our national defense and law enforcement to have assault rifles. Personally, I'd rather people not even have pistols, but I would be willing to accept that.

The most common argument I hear is that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" and "guns are just inanimate objects." Does this mean I should be allowed to have bombs too? An assault rifle is pretty comparable to a small bomb in the possible casualties.

Bottom line, it's unnecessary to have anything more than maybe a pistol, and even then they should be highly regulated.

You're living in the fantasy world where the people have nothing to fear from their government, and that if you make guns illegal no one will have them, you don't seem to understand the FACT that if you criminalize gun ownership ONLY criminals will have them, Also you need to understand the FACT that we WILL need to defend ourselves from our own government, which most certainly does NOT have our liberty and best interests in mind all the time, they are power hungry, greedy and corrupt, I usually use the following quote against Fascist and or nationalized health care, "People who are willing to trade liberty for security are deserving of neither" -Winston Churchill Now that is not exact but you should get the point, Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my assault rifle, speaking of national defense, Imagine you are an enemy of the US, would you want to invade a country where it is known that the average citizen is armed, Bottom line is YOU CANNOT TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM CRIMINALS, you can only take them from good people, what sense would it make to do that, and the fact that you seem to think the government is all good and for the people is absurd, the 2nd amendment is likely a reasonn we still hold on the the few original "god given" freedoms that we were promised by the constitution and the bill of rights

Our guns aren't what's stopping the government from imposing a military state. It's the political system itself. If that fails, they will impose a military state if they want, regardless of whether or not we have guns. It's not going to make it harder, or act as a deterrent. They will roll over us if they want to.

I'm all for having guns. It sucks people abuse them but if not with guns then they can use some other means of killing.

Knives? Swords? It doesn't matter. That might work against a single person, but you can't walk into a mall and kill a bunch of people with a knife.

Statistics show that countries with gun restrictions have lower murder rate and equal crime rate. It might not bring the crime rate down, but it does lower the murder rate, which means it is worth it to me.

To each his own. Guns won't be outlawed in this country in my lifetime. You can cite whatever statistics or studies you want, being deprived our guns is distinctly unamerican.

Unamerican... hmm. I think that word is overused. Being "American" doesn't mean the same thing today that it did 200+ years ago... there's just no way it could. When this country began, slavery was okay, and steam power (much less electricity!) had not even been invented yet. Classical economics still worked, and it took 4 months for ships to cross the Atlantic. There were no assault rifles years ago. How can you even compare that system of government to today's?

Okay. Taking away guns would distinctly contrast the feelings and beliefs of many of our people.

Many of our people are stupid, though.

True. However, there's nothing wrong with responsible gun use. People are so willing to give up rights for a tiny bit more safety. Fuck that :D.

Eric Thompson, owner of Topglock.com, is the goto guy if you need guns, especially the widely loved Glock handgun. The gentleman who killed a half-dozen people at NIU got some of his supplies at Topglock. The guy who killed all those kids at Virginia Tech last year also got some of his armaments at Topglock.com. Topglock: Your specialist in tragedy.

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This man supplied some of the weaponry used in two major college mass murders. He is eager to continue supplying these weapons in the hopes that someday a good guy will shoot a badguy.

They're having a motto contest for Topglock.com. Here's my entry:

"Online Gun Suppliers don't kill innocent college students ..... Crazy guys kill innocent college students. The Online Gun Suppliers just supply them with the tools they need"

Do you have a better motto? Maybe a jingle or a limerick?

TGSCOM Inc is the name of the company owned by Thompson. TGSCOM owns about 100 different web sites, all selling guns with different advertising angles.

Thompson, of course, is cooperating with police. There have been a number of instances where Thompson has helped the police to trace down the source of a weapon, or to verify documentation on a weapon used in some crime or another. He has helped put criminals behind bars in so doing, according to his web site. It is probably fairly routine for him to have to supply documentation after the fact in murders, mass slaying, and so on.

He claims, on his site (no, you won't find a link here, go find it yourself), that he wants some day to learn that one of his guns was used to stop a tragic crime like the mass murders at Virginia Tech or NIU.

Did you catch this? If you're only paying half attention to this, please stop now and re-read all of the above and see what conclusion you can draw from it.

Eric Thompson has 100 or so web sites selling guns. He happens to have sold guns to the killers in these two major school shootings. It must be true that this guy is providing guns to thousands and thousands, and thousands of people, right?

And at this time, when the press goes to interview him, he does NOT have a list of honorable and noble uses to which his guns have been put. He does not have a list of cases where a mass murderer was about to start his slaying, and an owner of a TGSCOM-provided Glock whipped out his or her firearm and stopped the slaying.

He does have a litany of cases where he cooperated with the police in helping them run down a criminal who used a gun purchased from TGSCOM. This involves supplying paperwork required by law. Paperwork that if the NRA had its way, would not be required by law.

Eric does not have any evidence that the widespread distribution of firearms has any effect other than spreading tragedy and mayhem.

Eric Thompson should be stopped, don't you think?

"Were not just the guys who sell the guns.... we're the guys who make guns possible. Getyourglock.com....

-Greg Laden

oh so now the magazines that were bought are the problem, why aren't we looking at Phizer? The makers of psychotropic drugs, I know from first hand experience that drugs like prozac, and other anti depressants, fuck up your mind worse than before you took them. I never felt worse than when they put me on these types of drugs. That's the problem we need to be investigating. And if just one, just one person in that classroom was a trained firearm user there might not have been anymore than one fatality.

Alternatively, if the kid didn't have it so easy obtaining a gun, he may have been deterred in the first place.

And if we have guns in the classroom around a bunch of prideful, post-adolescent idiots there's going to be way more of a bloodbath in schools.

Even if guns never existed he would have went in there and killed people. You should be ashamed to assume someone is going to kill just because they have a gun, I know loads of people that own guns, and I have never met anyone that had a legal gun that had done something illegal with it. You are talking about one person in millions, so punish the rest of us just because one person fucks up, I don't think so.

I am not suggesting the classrooms be infested with guns, but that if the interested and educated gun owners wanted to carry their weapon with them these college shootings would not happen, they go to these places because they know no one around is armed, did you ever think of that?

So crazy Joe Six Pack's decided he was going to kill a bunch of people, say in Virginia Beach, Two Major malls here, Pembroke and Lynnhaven, lets say Pembroke had a sign posted that prohibits lawfully carried weapons, and say on Lynnhaven Mall's doors there is a Sign welcoming legal concealed weapons. Which mall is Joe going to go murder people in?

On the other side, A responsible gun owner like myself will either avoid Pembroke Mall or make sure I leave the pistol in the car or at home, I am not willing to jeapordize my right to own and carry my weapons. Therefore the only people that have a weapon in that mall are irresponsible gun owners and criminals, no good people with guns in there.

For the school, I do agree, there would be a higher percentage of irresponsible gun use, So how about a special conceal carry campus permit, where the students have to take a course to further educate them on safety and responsibility.

Or the Professor? WHy not?

Besides it's not like these people are going to be bustin down doors to get guns, thanks to liberal teachers unions alarming percentages of students sit in fear of guns and have no motivation to get a gun anyway, but atleast you could let those so motivated to become educated and responsible with a weapon excersize their fundamental right to bear arms. And possibly save countless lives.

You can't say that. It's definitely becoming a fad, and killing with guns is so impersonal and easy.

That is true, but a bad person with a gun can only be stopped by a good person with a gun. And all I am saying is to get more good people with guns around.

If you carry a gun and get into a sticky situation, you are going to use it. It's not a good idea to have people carrying handguns in their daily routine.

You are correct, If I'm carrying a gun and I'm threatened I will use it, you think I should just be attacked defenseless? Keep in mind that just the very sight of my gun will send a mugger packing.

I don't see the big obsession of "protecting" yourself. I doubt you'll ever get robbed to begin with, sure you can have a gun, But if you actually keep it somewhere, in a safe or whatnot, you may not even have time to react and get it before you're shot dead. I know you'll probably just say well atleast you gave it a shot, but that really is just irrelevant.

If you don't talk shit, and run your mouth to people, live an honest life you'll probably never, ever have anything to worry about. Get an alarm system on your house, get a couple of big-ass dogs or something, you could always go a non-lethal route to defend yourself. Pepper spray, mace, stun gun, taser, Baseball bat, any of these few could be just as effective as a gun, without the guilt of murdering somebody that's in a worse off situation that you are.

First I need you to explain just how you would stop an armed attacker with any of those things.

Could you find me a statistic on how many people are killed annually by guns on college campuses? Then divine that number by the total number of college students :x.

547,000 Americans die every year from cancer.

There are 303,000,000 people in America.

This means that only .18% of Americans die from cancer every year.

Cancer must not be a big problem, then.

Well while looking for shooting statistics I came across this article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294954,00.html

That's perfectly logical. If guns are accessable, yet banned in CERTAIN places, a criminal with any sort of common sense will target the places where guns are banned.

If they were banned EVERYWHERE, for everyone but law enforcement, and guns were not so easily accessable, there would be much less of a problem.

Regulating guns in only certain places is asking for trouble.

The only person you can take guns from is a law abiding citizen, you cannot make a law that criminals will not break. There's plenty of places in the world you can live that good people cannot own guns, do you think it is safer? You think no one gets shot?

Also, why can't you accept the fact that if this government gets too powerful, and we lose our liberty, these guns we have are going to be our liberty. I believe its a big part of why we still have freedom of speech and religion and other basic rights, first you take guns, then the others just dissapear in time. Because those in power know we could not defend ourselves.

Another thing, if you think making all gun sales illegal and confiscation and all that bullshit is going to mean there is no guns, get a grip. Theres like millions of tons of illegal drugs and guns alike shipped into this country every year. You are only going to take guns away from good people.