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I vote pass.

Great energy source.

Hey George Washington did it, hell all that shit they taught you in school about the forefathers 'tobacco' farming was not true.

It was hemp.

Well...Atleast it's better than nothing.

What happens to the not-hemp parts of the plants that are grown?

I want them.

You guys are a bunch of pathetic potheads, heh. Imagine what your life is like now when it's illegal, and then think about what it would be like if it was legal. It's obviously not controlled tightly for a reason, so little kids like yourself can think you're doing something cool, breaking the law, and to allow a large percentage of the population to become drug addicts as young kids, so we'll have many many idiots to fill the blue collar positions of our great Amrerican workforce.

I'd like a number 10, king sized, and please don't spit on it.

'the hell?

ROFL.

Moron.

It's a shame that you have such a low opinion of the smokers, I have a High/higher IQ and I smoke very often...

Just in case you didn't notice.. it's not just the blue collar workforce that indulges... It's everyone.

I think we smoke because of the work, not work because of the smoke...

Anyway, there's no reason to be so negative, otherwise keep that shit to yourself man...

Typical, very typical. :p

People who can limit themselves, sure. I've known people who are very intelligent and smoke weed, occasionally. Most people can't limit themselves, though, and spend a lot of time and money and treat it as a hobby. I haven't known many people like that with high IQs. Besides, I'm waiting for Sum Yung Guy's reply anyway.

Oh yea, and the "Einstein Moments," those times that you have a feeling of elevated intelligence when using a mind altering drug, that doesn't account for a high IQ.

Well, I don't think everyone of us smokes 10 bowls a day everyday 365 days out of the year....

I would say if you smoke weed more than 3 times a week you have a very real problem. If you smoke weed every weekend, you're addicted, but you're not letting it affect your job perhaps, and that's good. If you smoke weed maybe once or twice a month with friends(not in your room by yourself) then I don't really have a problem with you, just keep it to yourself, and don't come to me trying to explain your philosophy of how the raisins in Raisin Bran cereal are the key to life.

Most of you probably don't realize it because you probably don't smoke weed alone, but if you've ever been around someone who is high when you are not, it's very similar to being around someone who is drunk when you are not. Thay think they've come to realize everything about life in the last hour they have been high.

Dude, seriously, I'm personally against smoking for myself, but smoking marijuana does not make you stupid in any way any more than alcohol does. Some of the smartest people I know actually do smoke quite a bit -- staright A students -- and not just straight A because they work hard, these kids are actually fucking geniuses. There's plenty of decent kids that smoke quite a bit if you'll just open your eyes.

It's obviously not controlled tightly for a reason? True. Controlling it tighter would require a lot of resources and manpower. The fact that if you're caught with pot you go to jail is pretty fucking tight in my opinion.

S2 AM, you're generally a pretty smart guy. I don't know why you would make such an asinine insinuation that people who smoke pot are automatically going to have blue collar jobs, or that they are in some way inferior to those who do not smoke pot.

Right, what a misconception. I haven't been smoking since July Fourth, most of my friends smoke and I've never noticed this similarity to drunks.

You've fallen head over heels for anti marijuana propaganda, and it shows. But nevermind that, what are you trying to prove? that you're an asshole? Do you have an ego to fill? Untill now you've had some pretty entertaining and informative posts, this thread puts you kinda .. "out there" bro.

I don't even want to get on the addiction comment, it's been shown many times over that there is no addiction issues with marijuana.
Still, nevermind that your heading back to the Halo2 forum and cessation of fight starting would be apreciated.

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Mjordan, my favorite person with which to debate things :) . Very punctual as usual. I don't remember any of the stoners with whom I went to school ever achieving a 4.0 GPA. If they are geniuses, then I believe they would just be throwing thatI went to a large school, so maybe there was someone I didn't know. I'm glad to see you aren't an advocate yourself, that's promising and also a relief.

I realize the punishment for being caught is stiff, but I think you only go to jail if you are caught with a certain amount, which is considered to be dealing. No doubt one of these stoners will correct me with that amount to the ounce. I also realize that controlling it would cause too much a strain on the government, which is already hurting. I've actually seen a special on TV that said people were allowed by the government to smuggle mairjuana over the border from Mexico. Who knows if that's true, it falls right in there with the government dealing with aliens to control the minds of people, or what have you.

Anyhow, I took the liberty of finding this online. For those of you who believe that marijuana is not a Neurotoxin, read on. You may be correct, but I think you would actually be happier with the hypothesis that it's a Neurotoxin.

That's just fine, I agree with that study. Doesn't prove that smokers are idiots however.

Furthermore I'll step up and be the 'stoner' that clears up the charges thing for you.

It varies by state, those that have decriminalized marijuana for medicinal uses have also a higher ammount to warrant jail time, for example North Carolina is 42.5 grams (ounce and a half) to warrant jail time, but the local governments can be much lower, like just a few grams.

Virginia (my commonwealth) has a pretty low tolerance, any ammount can put you in jail.

http://cannabis.hivemind.net/rtcl-iht-faq.htm#

If you're interested in learning the facts I would suggest reading that. There's a bibliography and everything. It's fact.

You are right, in younger people it does have negative effects on the brain. In adults, it does not.

You've never been around someone else who is high(while you are not) and been extremely annoyed?

I've fallen head over heels for anti marijuana propaganda? That's funny, I really haven't seen much of that in my life. Most people, like those who post in this forum, smoke marijuana, so "joining the crowd" as you would say of anti-marijuana people wouldn't be falling head over heels, and it wouldn't be falling to peer pressure. Unlike you, I am less affected by peer pressure.

I also noticed your amateur attempt at psychology,
didn't appreciate it much.

Just to comment, I don't think it's addicting myself, at least not as nicotine or alcohol is, but the high you get is possibly addicting, especially to those who haven't anything better to do with their time.

On a less malicious note, what part of Virginia are you from?

Virginia Beach. Right up the street from Oceana. Well all over Chesapeake, Norfolk, and Va Beach.

Nah, people smokin doesn't ever seem to annoy me, maybe it's because they are 'seasoned smokers'? Dunno..

By the way, what makes me seem like I'm any more affected by peer pressure than you or anyone else?

Thats why I love mendo county usa ;) its where I lived before the Army.

Theres alot more to read.

Taken from: http://www.mpp.org/news/usn052801.html

Heh, figures.

Adrenachrome, the reason I would think you are one to fall to peer pressure is that people who smoke marijuana usually don't independently find a dealer and buy it. They were introduced to it by their friends, siblings, or in some sad cases, their parents.

I'm sure I don't have to explain the whole theory behind what peer pressure is and such do I? I thought you could have deduced that yourself, I hope my explanation/insight has helped.

Personally I don't do any drugs such as tobacco, marijuana, acid, ect. I just never found the need to. I do however see points in taking hallucinogens every once in a while (2 times a year) based on what they do for you, and how they break everything down to a very simple level. Anyway, I am not once bit opposed to growing industrial hemp as there are many products that could be made better and more environmentally safe by using hemp instead of some of the other materials. As for the crystals in the plant, who knows what to do with them. I'm not to sure about the medicinal uses but couldn't they use them for that? Or is that something different all together?

EDIT: Also the comment about pot heads being idiots or however you worded it is completely inappropriate. Just because their gpa wasn't higher than 4.0 means nothing. That isn't an accurate display of one's intelligence when you factor in how in most schools homework is a huge chunk of the grade. That might not be the case for your school but I know alot of very intelligent people who didn't get honor roll or high grades just because they didn't feel like doing the homework. That is a different kind of stupid all together though ;)

Well, speaking from someone who lives in a country where weed is legal I can say this. I know lots of people, people who are respected and make €100000+ a year that ocassionally smoke some weed. It's no big deal, IMO alcohol is alot worse than weed. Especially with kids these days, alcohol causes more problems than weed ever will.

Just because it's legal, doesnt mean everyone will freak out and start smoking 24/7. :wierd: I'm all for legalizing soft-drugs, everywhere.

People ussually get in2 smoking because of either drinking or stress.. it lowers blood pressure. i dont give a fuck if people smoke.. they do what they wanna do.

Well, as I said I have no problem with occasional smokers as long as they don't come and bother me with their theory about how sheep are evil animals that are trying to take over our minds as we sleep. If they smoke occasionally, I sort of see that as just an occasional stress reliever, or whatever other reason they would smoke marijuana for.

Actually I was one of those people that never did homework. At some point, however, one must draw a line. I didn't like doing schoolwork anywhere outside of school, so I usually took advantage of classtime, or even while we were studying the current lesson, to do that homework. Homework, by the way, is given for a reason. I don't care how genius you are, if you haven't read Chapter 10, you don't know what's in Chapter 10. I usually just paid attention or what not and got information I needed without having to read(unless it was English or History) then you have to read. Again, I don't care if you're Einstein's reincarnation, you don't know what happened in 1450 unless you read or are told about it. In Math, homework is given so one can practice the types of problems, and if you haven't noticed yet, the problems increase in difficulty in direct relation to the number of the problem.

Anyways, just to set everything straight, in case you aren't a good reader, I'll put it in simple terms here. The people I was attacking are those who smoke marijuana on a regular basis. The people who go home and smoke marijuana every day. Usually these are the same halfwit jackasses who party all high school, and do other drugs to include acid, alcohol, etc... The people who basically throw away their life on drugs. The people and spend time doing drugs that could be spending time improving themselves physically or mentally. Those are the people I was attacking.

This guy's good...

Pr0xy, since when have you been Crim?

Over here alcohol deaths have rise by 20% in the last 20 years. There are more and more teenagers becoming alcoholics, the majority of which are actually girls. It's got to such a point that people know if you're British when you go on holiday because of the way you get absolutely smashed and then stagger around the resort shouting and singing at th top of your voice. It's embarassing. And unfortunately, it's starting to influence the locals. You now get Spanish kids, Italian kids etc. mimicking the British holiday makers and getting drunk out of their skulls...yet they never manage to replicate the "every Friday night go out, party, get drunk to the edge of death, go home, sleep with your head in the toilet, wake up with a horrible hangover, work it off, and do it again the next Friday" attitude.

As for smoking, we haven't got that big a problem with it over here. I know loads of people who smoke cigarettes (half my form does it... :() which is one thing I hate. I really don't like being around someone who is smoking or smells like it. Yet there are few people I know who smoke drugs.

Don't ask me what sort of relevance this has to the thread...I honestly don't know... :p

That's sort of true. But I know people who used to smoke everyday and still graduated highschool with ease. There are people who can function just fine while smoking everyday.

That's why I believe that the people you speak of, the ones wasting their lifes on drugs. I think it's not so much caused by the drugs, but much more their attitude towards life. I believe the excessive use of drugs is more a consequence from their attitude, rather than a cause. I think that even if drugs didnt excist, they would still find other ways to throw away their lifes.

I wouldn't doubt it if the gov't legalized pot, it would be monitered like cigs. This in the sense that you can't smoke in public places/ have to be so many feet from buildings(diff for each country/state/province/territory).


That's all I feel like typing at the moment.

Fair enough, you believe in the "early-onset smokers had lower innate cognitive skills before they ever started smoking marijuana" theory. Which more or less states that drugs aren't bad, people are. I believe that, too, but not in all cases. I don't know if marijuana is a Neurotoxin or not, but I prefer not take my chances, when I'm just fine not smoking it anyhow.

Alright, bucko, listen up. 100% stoner here and not ashamed one damn bit. I graduated highschool 25th in my class out of 300. I smoked weed almost every day my senior year and I managed to keep my grades up. I also have a job and I work very hard and often to keep the moolah flowing. I have shit in my life prioritized.

No, this is not true. Drunk people and high/stoned people do not act the same. A drunk person cannot make out who is who, cannot keep his/her own balance, has a very difficult time speaking (loud, slurred words), CANNOT DRIVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES and is more then likely going to throw up. A stoned person will sit on a couch and laugh at the drunk people. You need to stop generalizing people who smoke. A stoned person can drive, although I'll admit we tend to go slower. Weed and alcohol are two very different substances and really should not be compared.

You've obviously been hanging out with some new smokers or people that smoke in moderation. People that have been smoking for years (aka stoners) are very laid-back and do not "think we've realized everything when high." I was like the way you're describing when I was a new smoker and I got blitzed every time I took a hit; it's much different now.

What else you gonna dish out?

Since Penguin kept forgetting who I was so he changed my name to one he could recognize :rolleyes:

Anyone care to inform me on my earlier post? I would like to know.

"As for the crystals in the plant, who knows what to do with them. I'm not to sure about the medicinal uses but couldn't they use them for that? Or is that something different all together?"

He is in the army, he doesnt hang out with any pot heads, just drunks, and I dont think hes ever hung out with marijuana users in his life, just maybe seen some at his high school when he went.

Basically Smith you need to do a more in depth study, before debating... this is kinda lika a ps3 vs xbox 360 thread where I pmed you and said, "I hate debating with people who wont open their eyes"... now its your turn to open your eyes.

So he's PFC Smith:

Favorite Phrase:
Shut the fuck up with that bullshiiiit! Usually as a reply to PFC Smith...

What does PFC mean? I read Catch-22 again a week ago, and I was trying to work out what PFC meant then. If you haven't read it there's a character called ex-PFC Wintergreen who seems to run everyhting behind the scenes.

As for the PS3 v Xbxo 360 threads (they've both turned into them), you should've just said that, we'd've shut up quicker if you had.

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Pr0xy:

I also managed to stumble across some kind of pot forum that said if you put the crystals on top of the weed when smoking it, it will heighten the experience. Means absolutely nothing to me, thoug hit probably does to you?

Probably doesn't answer your question, but, nnh, bit of info about the for you if you didn't already know.

Private First Class is what PFC means. And no I didn't know that about smoking them on top. Not sure if I could ever use that information heh... And yeah I realize males hold no crystals however you still need to grow both to keep it prospering... And there is also a large chance that you wont grow just males. Just wondering if the excess crystals from growing hemp had any uses.

So that's what PFC means.

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I don't know much about smoking.

In fact, I know nothing at all.

I just know abit because early this year I played UO with some guys that smoked and one of em was starting to grow it.

You need a grinder (a device that breaks up your weed so you don't have to) that has a keef collector on bottom. Keef is what those crystals are more commonly called. I'm pretty sure there is no medicinal use in keef, but who could ever know?

And yes, Lenny, if you smoke that stuff you'll be floating in the clouds feelin pretty relaxed.

Ahh I see. Well just gotta find some way to dispose of those crystals without selling.

OH MY GOD. THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD FUCKING SUCKS.

I didn't read the rest. WHY??!??! BECAUSE THE FIRST PAGE IS FULL OF NONSENSICAL BULLSHIT. WHO CARES IF PEOPLE SMOKE WEED. IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

Like Adrenachrome said, what are you trying to prove? That you are an asshole (referring to S2 AM)? Why rain on someone's parade? I don't smoke marijauna, but I'm not going to post on an internet forum bashing people that do smoke and call them "idiots". You're the idiot for arguing that.

Sum Yung Guy, you seem to think just because I never smoke marijuana that I was never around people that did. I've been around people in the ARMY that were high, and seasoned smokers, by the way. I lived in the boonies as a child, so I guess I don't have to explain to you that half of my family smokes marijuana. When I moved to the city, I was around my sister and all her friends. On top of that I lived in an apartment complex where practially ever poor person in the city lived. I saw enough of how potheads lived and saw enough people high during my life, to know I didn't want to smoke marijuana.

Just because you haven't shot yourself in the face with a shotgun doesn't mean you can't argue your friend away from the barrel as he's trying to commit suicide.

Just to comment on Thanatos here. You graduated 25/300, huh? I actually attended a much smaller school before I moved to the cities. Seeing as I went to five different schools throughout my life, I think I can safely say that I found smaller schools to usually have a much easier curriculum(usually less funding) with much less people competing for that valedictorian.

Oh ya, and alcohol is a major depressent, on the other hand marijuana is a both a light depressant and a psychoactive hallucinogen. I never said they were exactly the same thing, and that one would incur the same results from both of them. What I did say is that people who do either/or are annoying to be around when you are completely sober. That's from my experience.

Lol pr0xy, and oh ya and it's SPC now, thank you. :p

Wha?

So you've gone from Private First Class to SPC?

Why all the acronyms? Why?!