Persuasive Speech
 

Ok I need a poll for a persuasive speech I'm doing so which one is better Batman or Spiderman?

Also if you know of some places where I can get some facts on Batman and Spiderman's Lair's and which one has better sex appeal I'd love to have them :).

I dont know about information on SEX APPEAL, but try marvelcomics.com. Also just Google fansites.

P.S. Spider-Man would win in a brawl, whereas Batman may have quick reflexes, creative thinking, problem solving abilities, and nifty gadgets, they are no match for Spider-Man's even quicker reflexes, super strength, webbing technology, ability to cling, flexibility, and most importantly Spider Sense (tm). However he does not have wheels like Batman, so all the fly honeys may be swayed into the latter's direction.
ALTHOUGH, it IS only a two seater, or is it a one seater? I cant remember. Either way, there will definately be an excess of dope bitches left behind due to Batmans lack of passanger seating... So maybe Spider-Man could be left holding his head up high.
However you must consider all the small hairs on his body allowing him the ability to walk and cling to walls, ceilings, and other objects... Most women would consider that a turn-off.

Anyway. My two cents. Go figure. I cant believe I put so much thought into this.

spiderman's a better superhero because, with all what dfd said, he's also smart too...... and i think he could get places faster than batman could go with his batmobile

I don't know many facts, but I have a few reasons why I chose Spiderman. Not only in the movies has Spiderman clearly fought and defeated more badass enemies, but he also faster, has "spidey" sense, and is stronger (Clearly indicated by punching people across a room in Ep. 1, and holding up that huge structure at the end in Ep. 2).

Sex appeal? I'd have to say Batman wins simply because he is a genius and has more women experience (Also due to that fact that he is older).

Oh, and Spidey doesn't have a "lair", but Batman has a badass one. Also, on a side note, Batman needed a sidekick and had a servant helping him stay organized, while Spiderman was a loner and based everything on his instincts.

Batman's superpower is his erroneously large sums of money that he has stuffed away everywhere... his billions.

i picked Batman because Batman has something that Spiderman could NEVER have...

ALFRED!!!

What spidey-bitch, eat that! hahahahaha

Batman would pwn Spiderman any day. Bitch.

You're an idiot.

Obviously batman would have all of the ladies, nobody likes spiderman.

Batman. Why? He can take down Superman, and Supes would obliterate Spiderman.

Here's a better explanation. Batman has a mind that can cripple even the toughest of opponents. His brain is a perfect engine of ultimate fear and he is the expert in learning and manipulating the insecurities and fears of his opponents.

Peter Parker is a 20-something year old kid with severe insecurities and a massive lack of faith in himself.

Batman's battles are not waged solely with fists. The fact is, he could beat Peter Parker into complete submission with words alone. All the "spidey sense" in the universe won't save him when he starts doubting his own abilities after having 20 years of his worst fears and failures hurled into his face simultaneously. Batman is capable of defeating any human opponent, because he understands every inch of the human condition, especially in the area of it's flaws.

Peter Parker doesn't have the willpower to best the Dark Knight. It's a kid with superpowers vs. the Devil himself. No contest.

Batman is human, not some superhero with special abilities. He simply has cool gadgets. He doesn't know anything about Spiderman, so how could he possibly figure out his insecurities? Not one punch or kick from Batman would even harm Spidey in the least. If Batman got hit with a spool of web, which he would, this contest is over before it started.

Batman. Because my name is Robin

incorrect, batman would get himself out of it. And yes, he IS human. That is what makes him a fuckin baller. Batman would spot Peter Parker and instaneously know that his is Spiderman. He would then capture Mary-Jane, rape her if he chooses and lure spiderman into his Bat Cave. GG spidey is done.

Spiderman is not immortal and Batman is 100x smarter.


I also think that what makes a superhero better than another is not solely the ability to beat the shit outta the other. I think it should be based on his attitude, structure, capabilities, interaction with the public, villians he fights...etc. Batman is great because you can easily spot the underlying social issues of the time. Spiderman is just a boyhood fantasy if you ask me.

Titus, Bats is a detective. It is his life to learn the secrets of his enemies. Example: at one point Batman was expelled from the Justice League because he spent weeks researching the backgrounds and secrets of the other JLA members. He formed an airtight plan with which he could cripple any of the JLA members should they go rogue. That means Batman, a normal guy with no superpowers, is and was capable of taking down Superman (who is basically immortal), Wonder Woman (same), Green Lantern (who can split atoms with his power ring), Aquaman (the sole ruler of all of Atlantis), Martian Manhunter (10 times the badass that Spiderman is) and the Flash (who can move so fast he can travel through time). Batman was intellectually capable of learning the worst fears and secrets of the most powerful characters in the DC universe. Cracking the Peter Parker egg would take minutes for a guy like him.

Batman wins. No contest.

Good argument.

Want some advice on stepping it up? Take Aquaman out of that list. We know he's supposed to be in there... Yes, he's a member of the Justice League, but... well, he's Aquaman.

But he's the sole ruler of Atlantis!!!!

Bob, I, like every other comic nerd in the world, understand completely that Aquaman is a fucking joke. That's beside the point, however.

The guy can command sharks and whales to kick your ass. Sharks and whales. Batman can beat sharks and whales. Spiderman can't beat a Great White!

I guess I'm out of the loop with Comic books, and thank God. If they actually had the tenacity to have Batman defeat Superman, and all those others, a sad day has come over the comic book world. That is just ludicrous, and if you don't agree with that.. I don't know.

You can be the smartest guy in the world. If you are a human getting a single punch from a super-strong super hero, you will die instantly. Clear as day. Your ribs will calapse into your heart. Your head will be smashed in two. I just don't understand how the speed and strength of Superman was defeated? Granted Spidey is no Superman, but he is certainly 100 times stronger than Batman.

Comic books now suck in my mind. I have an itch to go a burn all 1000+ comic books I own. Or sell them. ;)

well....i am kind of going for batman now, ok you see titus in the justice league show on cartoon network, i saw this episode where he was fighting this guy that could smash WONDER WOMAN, which she also has super strength.... and i saw him HIT batman and batman still got back up.... so if i go by the show, i would now say batman would win, besides in that show he does very smart things like how wonder woman is attractive to him and wants to date him but batman declines even though he likes her too because they would just capture wonder woman batman would go after her

1 word for you titus: Kryptonite.

What a hero! He can pick up tanks, fly, and all this other spiffy stuff, but throw a certain rock at him and he's fucked. Pft.

Heh, I guess you have to give him some sort of downfall. So, what is Spidey's kryptonite?

Mary Jane maybe?

Heh, that motivates him if anything.

What if they offed the bitch, would he lose his motivation?

Nah, I'd think he'd go so bonkers that no one would live. Especially not Batman.. ;)

Anyways...

My point was spiderman wouldn't have all of the ladies. In the spiderman world, he's considered the bad guy and nobody likes him.

I already told you: his post-teenage insecurities.

Titus, Batman doesn't win his fights by simply beating the hell out of his opponents. He does it by outsmarting them. In fact, his greatest victories have been accomplished with no violence at all, just a keen intellect and the villainous knowledge of how to use his opponent's emotional weaknesses against them.

Not all battles are fought with fists. Batman fights with his mind, and with that brain he has crippled his enemies in legions.


And red-colored ultrviolet light...and he can't see through lead.

Plus, Spiderman does not really have any destructive powers with the exception of his amazing strength... Which is no match for the Batmobile...

Spiderman: "Let's see how you stand up to my spidey-punch!!!"

Batman: *Laugh as he presses the red button to launch the rocket into Spiderman's face*

He'd be a hell of a lot more subtle than that, Randuin. The fight would begin and Bats would say something to the effect of:

"Parker, just stop. The fight's already over. You remember that Ham and Cheese bagel you ate for breakfast? There was a microscopic neurotoxin capsule hidden in it. The casing completely dissolved in your digestive tract about ten minutes ago and the toxin will be taking effect in three...two...one...now."

*Spidey suddenly goes cross-eyed and collapses on the ground*

The End.

Gladiator would pwn Batman any day.

Example please.

And c'mon now. Is that the best you can do? Poison Spidey to win? Let me hear how he would cripple Spidey without throwing a fist or any combatitive move.

a lot like the way Hannibal Lector got that dude to cut away to his own face.

That's actually a great comparison, Mydog.

Titus, I don't know how Bats would beat Parker. I'm not Batman, my brain doesn't function the way his does. Plus, I don't know a hell of a lot about Peter Parker's background. I know that Batman would spend quite w hile harvesting a list of Parker's failures (like his failure to protect his uncle, his failure to protect a girl he was involved with that was killed, etc) and use those failures against him in a battle of wits. Beyond that, he'd do psychological research on Parker's background to learn his emotional and intellectual faults and use them against him as well.

If the movies are any indication of what would happen in that scenario, his powers would start sputtering once his own self-doubts were exposed and Batman would either be able to talk Parker down from the fight or he would take the opportunity to subdue Parker in his now deflated state.

Spiderman's only advantage is his physical attributes. He's a smart kid, but he's not a strategist, and he's not capable of mentally outmaneuvering someone who has spent his entire life conditioning his mind to be a weapon of ultimate destruction. If Peter Parker is capable of being afraid, the Batman will win. Because fear is his greatest ally, and his greatest weapon. Web-slingers and spidey sense won't save him from an emotionally crippling panic attack brought about in the midst of a battle.

Plus, Batman cheats. He'd make sure that the fight took place exactly where he wanted it to take place and the entire area would be rigged with his traps. The traps would be designed to take advantage of Parker's physical shortcomings and his emotional weaknesses as well. He would construct a physical and psychological wormhole from which there would be no escape for Peter Parker.

If you want specifics on it, you'd have to ask someone who is of expert knowledge in regards to both Spiderman and Batman. The person would have to know Parker as Batman would, and would have to understand every last failure and shortcoming that the boy had. I've never read more than a handful of Spiderman comics, so I can't give you any specifics.

Again, though, Bats can beat Superman, and Superman would destroy Spidey.

How exactly did Batman beat Superman? Was it some gay light shining/kyrptonite contest?

Well, Raziel, for that to even be possible, batman would have to somehow know that Spiderman is Peter Parker. I don't think batman would really have an urge to defeat Peter Parker. He would be after spider man.

I know what to do! ASK REDMAGE!

I'm on the job!

He's used both methods to best Superman. It's not like they fight every week, Titus. The fact that he was independantly able to learn Supes' secrets (and what ridiculously obscure secrets they are) is a testament to his detective skills. On top of that, the fact that he even has samples of Kryptonite in his possession makes him an unfathomably dangerous opponent.


Actually, no, he'd be after Peter Parker. Why? Because the image of "Spiderman" gives the individual a certain amount of leverage. It gives them strength. Having that advantage stripped away makes Batman more powerful. It rips away that psychological line of defense between Batman and the normal guy behind the Spiderman mask. Without "Spiderman", the kid is just Peter Parker, a barely adult, self-doubting nerd with a rocky history behind him.

Batman's first line of action would be to learn Spiderman's true identity, because he wasn't born "Spiderman". He's a normal person under that mask, and normal people have issues to exploit. It wouldn't even be that difficult to figure out who he really was anyway. Parker has been leaving a bread-crumb trail a mile wide since donning the mask. What, being constantly in the right place at the right time to snap photos of Spidey in action, the both of them constantly involved in heroics and emotional attachment with Mary Jane Watson and not to mention the substantial list of Spidey's enemies who have learned his secret over the course of time. Bats has an innumerable stockade of sources with which to figure out who Parker really is.

Once that is accomplished, it's simple detective work, and Batman is a master detective. He'd go through the entire back catalogue of Spidey's previous failues, both emotionally and heroically and use them to his advantage. He'd research and document all of the enemies that Spidey has either flat-out lost to, or at least been beaten silly by and he'd figure out the most effective strategies that each of those villains employed. He'd concoct an amalgam master plan of attack, using all of the successful elements of those villains' previous encounters with Parker, and omitting the flaws. He'd then combine that plan with his knowledge of Parker's emotional and heroic shortcomings, he'd make sure that the location in which they fought would be to his choosing, he'd rig the hell out of the arena with his traps and would use his cunning to demolish Parker's resolve before the fight even began. Parker would enter the fight confident in his abilities, Batman would lay the psychological smack-down on his enemy causing his participation in the fight to either die completely or falter severely, and then Batman would finish him off by using his infallible amalgam master plan of attack. He would have every contingency spotted and dealt with ahead of time, he would have every one of his attacks (both psychological and physical) fine-tuned to the point of being fail-proof and Peter Parker would lie helpless at his feet within moments.

That is why Batman is the most dangerous comic character ever created. Peter Parker doesn't stand a chance.

Well, I'm not exactly sure about this, but was Peter Parker even a teenager? I know recently(with the spiderman TV show on MTV and the movies) be bas been shown as an older teenager, but in the old cartoons/comics, he always seemed to be an adult.

He was a teenager in the beginning, grew into a young 20-year-old and then never aged beyond that.

I'm still asking RedMage. He owns you.