9/11 Coincidences and oddities!
 

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/oddities/2001.html

Go here, read, educate yourself on our corrupt government.

I'm only posting in the Gen Conv. because I don't want it to be a Conspiracy, but more of an educational based reading material.

Edit: Go here too http://www.911review.org/Wiki/TwinTowers.shtml

Edit#2: Also check this flash animation out about the Pentagon - http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html#Main (brought up in the Conspiracy Forum)

I don't believe most of that stuff. Just seems to odd to me. If the USA government knew about it, there would need to be a motive to let such an attack happen. I don't see any reason as to why the USA would want such a thing to happen. Corrupt as government officials may be, I doubt that they are evil.

And as for the second link, my dad saw the plane fly into the second tower on TV, live, on a commercial television station. Unless the newscasters were in on this cahoots as well, I don't see how this would be possible.

I also watched it at school. After the first one hit, we stopped and turned on CNN. It was amazing, some dumbass flew his plane into the World Trade Center, we we're all stunned.

A few minutes later another plane came into sight, and people started to scream, it then bashed into the second tower. But after a while of them burning, the smoke turned black (meaning no fire) and then the Reinforced concreted steel towers imploded outwards, on themselves.

Me and my friend we're shocked by it, he's a pyromaniac, and loves explosives, he had told me that the planes couldn't have exploded like that , so much afterwards, but at the time I didn't believe any of the shit coming out of his mouth, but I felt very patriotic and sad for our countries loss. But all of this evidence is just amazing not to second-guess Bush's administration, and Bush himself.

EDIT: Here look at this http://thewebfairy.com/video/charges.going.off.wmv It's a video of the charges going off, you can see, after it has stopped burning you can see the explosives going off and the building start to synchronously crumble amongst itself,

As much as I dislike the Bush administration, I don't see this as much factual evidence against him. They are more like interesting little tidbits that make you wonder if something that far-fetched is happening, but in all likelihood, it's probably not. I kind of see this as the "Tupac alive theories." Many of those seemed to make sense at the time, when we were all caught up in the moment. They seemed like a reality. Hell, I believed he was alive myself. But now, looking back at it, the people who "discovered" those tidbits about Tupac probably had to look pretty damn hard to find that. I see this as much the same way.

Hell, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could find a way that you could blame me for not preventing the terrorist attacks.

Mj, did you actually go to those sites or not? The one link shows how there is no way a 787 could make an impact like that, it was explosives. The 2nd link is the same. I doubt the Bush administration set it up, let alone bush. But somebody in the heiarchy of our govt. may have. You can't say that the stuff they say isn't true.

And everybody knows tupac got capped, iz da factz niqqa.

Well, I didn't read the whole thing, but I got the gist of it. I'll admit, I didn't read everything about the explosives. Regardless of those facts, even scientists fuck up sometimes. And anybody can put together a web page and make it say whatever they want. Not to discredit your source or anything, but we actually saw the plane run into the WTC. That's pretty convincing evidence. Plus, it would take a whole lot to pull off a manuver such as faking a plane flying into the WTC. You would practically have to silence all of downtown New York, because just about everyone there would have seen it. Unless, of course, you're implying that the planes flew into the WTC, and there were bombs inside, but that just wouldn't make any common sense. I don't know the physics of it to agree or disagree with the point of the explosion, so I'm tossing that fact out for now, because I really don't know how credible this source is. I'm not saying that it was, or wasn't a set up, I'm just saying that I don't know. I simply find it hard to believe that such a thing was set up.

It would be utterly retarded to kill so many people and destroy millions of dollars worth of buildings on purpose.

Billions. The cost of each of those buildings ran into billions.

I don't believe it. The buildings had in internal skeleton of support beams which held the building up. They melted after tonnes of jet fuel started on fire. After they were weakened enough, by the weight of the upward floors, they gave out, and the towers crumbled.

there is much more that holds up a building than just the steel frame. Even if they didnt melt, the weight of the top of the building would EASILY bend the steel. Besides, what would be the benefit of all this?

Besides, the one guy who "couldnt fly" could have learned. When those planes are in the air, they are basically computer operated...if you have basic flying skills, is it really that hard to crash into a building? the quote about the who they said could never fly was probably because he sucked at taking off or landing..... did he take off or land? No. Invalid info.

Then there was the whole thing about the FBI being there within minutes to get tapes... why would the FBI want the tapes..? i dunno, to review them and see what the fuck just happened?

http://www.wftv.com/newsofthestrange...94/detail.html


There.

I agree. This is just a stupid conspiracy theory by idiots.

jesus christ. i'm siding with d3v on this one.

why? watch the videos. it's fucking photographic evidence that there was something else knocking those towers to the ground when you watch them fall STRAIGHT DOWN.

two words: CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.


oh, and if that's not enough, click the third link d3v posted. if they're not hiding anything, why did they say a plane crashed into the pentagon? a plane clearly did not.

jet fuel doesn't burn steel. http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Muslim...dPhysics.shtml

after the fires had been extinguished by the WTC's built-in sprinkler system, demolition charges were set on specific parts of the skyscraper's internal framework.

and each conspiracy theory has its blind, idiotic followers who believe in it because they think they have evidence where evidence is nil.

All of those photos and videos could in fact be altered in some manner. Do you go take all your money out of your bank account and burn it? FUCK NO! Damnit, that's basically like what you're trying to make us believe.

KJ For all you know, 9/11 never happened. The govt. taped it, staged it, and destroyed the buildings themselves, hired hundreds of eyewitnesses, and killed thousands of people. But according to CNN all you know is the Al-Qadea attacked us... " .. "

Jet Fuel cannot burn fast enough to melt fucking steel. And when you watch the video, after the fires are out, and there is BLACK smoke, there is an explosion, and the demolition of the building takes place.

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Another thing I looked up and found out is that the adiabatic flame temperature of Kerosene is 1727 degrees celcius, whereas the melting temperature of steel is 1570 degrees celcius. Even if temperature was significantly less than 1727 degrees celcius the metal would buckle.

Ahahahaha. That's fucking genius. Good job MJ.

I've been reading this thread... Just FYI, this is horse shit, people.

Black smoke does not indicate the end of a fire. Black smoke indicates black fucking smoke. Ever seen a tire burn? Guess what you get: A fuck of a lot of black smoke.

Also, how can a plane not explode after it crashes into a fucking building? It's a damn airplane. Cars can blow up... Milk tankers can blow up. I'm pretty fucking sure if an airplane runs into a motherfucking building, the engine catches on fire, the fire spreads through the plane and hits a fuel line, and the fire goes up the fuel line into a tank, the plane will blow the fuck up.

I can't believe people actually thought black smoke means the fire went out...Jesus Christ, D3V.

D3v's a fucking moron.

Take your own advice... however you might have to learn how before doing the first one.

But it sure does melt it well.

I'm pretty tired of people talking about this so much these days. I've seen it on just about every forum I've been. People think this is some sick conspiracy set up by our own government. Trust me, I have no love for our government, but at the same time, I don't think that they are as twisted as to set this whole thing up. I also find it kind of irritating when these people make such websites, proving why 9/11 was set up by our government, but the physics on their page is immensely skewed. I don't understand why people would do this. Unless you have hard facts backing your claims, (D3V, I'm not directing this at you. This is to the people who made the website) this is completely disrespectful to the memory of the victims why died in this tragedy. If you want to conspire, fine, but don't lead other people into your sick, twisted plot to undermine the reputation of our government. If any of this was true, then present it, but since it's not, then that page should be taken down immediately. All that page is going to do is get people to question the legitimacy of our government. Like I said before, I dislike our current government, but that's not an excuse for deceiving everyone.

I can't say that I'm 100% sure that our government didn't set this attack up. What I can do is say I'm 99.9% sure that our government did not set this up, and I'm going to show you why I believe this, using simple reasoning, and eighth grade IPC physics.

First of all, there wouldn't be any motive for the government to set this up. If they wanted to attack the taliban, their would have been much more effective ways to persuade the populous to go along with the attack. Secondly, if this attack were set up by our government, then their would be a lot of things they would have to do. This would mean that the guards at the airport were in on this. This would mean that the airlines themselves were in on this. This would mean that the airlines were willing to sacrafice 100 million dollar planes to do this. This would also take some pre-planning on the part of the people who work at the World Trade Center. Security there would have had to have been bribed to go along with the attack, or tricked into it. Plenty of people would have to have known about it, and if that many people knew, then there most probably would have been a leak somewhere down the system. And all of this for what? No, it doesn't make sense. And all of this about the pentagon would be absurd for one major reason. If, in fact, a large plane didn't hit the pentagon, and instead it was something else, you would have to fool the witnesses. The government wouldn't have overlooked such a major possible flaw in their plot. If the government had set this up, then those "witnesses" would have never been around to provide those quotes.

Now, back to the World Trade Center. As you know, it's possible for buildings with bad architectural structure to collapse for no reason at all. It happens all the time. Now, obviously the World Trade Center's structure wasn't that bad, but it's architectural design had been brought into question way before 9/11 happend. And if buildings can collapse for no reason at all, what makes you think a gashing hole from a plane wouldn't do the trick? If you can't answer that question on your own, let me explain it to you.

I did a little research on the planes, and found out some interesting facts. These facts are essential for you to to know before you go about making claims that the planes couldn't have toppled the buildings. They were Boeing 767s. A Boeing 767 has a fuel capacity 23,980 gallons (Jesus, imagine the cost of upkeep on that thing). It has two engines. It has a PW 4062 and a GECF6-80C2B8F, both with an approximate thrust of 63,000 pounds. It cruises at about 35,000 feet. It has a cruise speed of 530 miles per hour, and a take-off weight to 450,000 pounds. It flies on Kerosene for fuel.

The amount of energy needed to get the airplane to it's cruising altitude is approximately 35.6 Megawatts. This is about the same as the power-output of a small-scale power-plant. The kinetic energy of the airplane at impact would have been 40 Megejoules. The calculation to figure that out is quite simple. Kinetic energy equals 1/2 mass times velocity squared. Plug in the numbers. That's pretty considerable. Now, this should have been enough to make the tower fall. Even though it did not cause the tower to fall, it surely did damage it.

So what did make it fall? The energy from the fuel, of course. After looking up the energy content of fuel, you find it is 1.32*10^8 joules per gallon. Multiply that by 20,000. That number is well over the energy that two million sticks of dynamite would produce. The temperature that Kerosene can burn at is 1727 degrees celcius, which would have easily melted steel, which burns at about 1570 degrees celcius.

The impact would cause everything above that point on the building to collapse. The impact force on the part of the building still standing would be about 30 times that of the weight above. No building could widthstand that. That would cause the entire tower to collapse.

As for the pentagon, I can't remember the video exaxctly. It seems to have been removed. I remember them saying something about not finding a plane. That's funny, because I remember seeing a plane their the day of the attacks. The origin of this conspiracy is from a book by Thierry Meyssan, a French author, which is called The Frightening Fraud. I don't remember much else about this theory, but I'm pretty sure it's false as well.

A-fucking-men MJordan.

So you believe in this bullshit, and you would still vote for Bush?