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Titusfied 2004-07-23 06:59 PM

Where Is This So-Called List of Zelaron Improvements?
 
What the hell are you guys waiting for? Grav isn't going to be Unbanned for another 11 days or so, so you might as well just put up your improvements now.

Unless that was a big bluff and you have nothing important you want to say.

kockblocker1 2004-07-23 07:06 PM

I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Geico.

Zelaron is fine to me. Leave it how it is now.

HandOfHeaven 2004-07-23 07:27 PM

No need for improvements, this site is sufficient as it is.

Slim 2004-07-23 07:35 PM

Well, I know of a few that have been suggested, I'll post them in a sec but I don't support all of them. Keep that much in mind.

The summarized list:

  • Desire to not have any negative comment be deemed as a flame or moved to the flame forum
  • Not enough moderation, so Sov does most of it (poorly), need new flame/chat mod. Not just RS.
  • Tired of mods editing posts and other censorship, want free(er) speech
  • Swearing rules suck. I want to curse.
  • Overly strict rule enforcement, but not for staff? If staff is going to enforce, they need to be removed for breaking their own rules. Simple. Not going to remove abusing staff? Why should we follow the rules then?
  • More warnings, less insta-ban
  • A thread going somewhat off topic doesnt need to be closed
  • Less closing/trashing of threads that could be good or are controversial (staff flame, por ejemplo)
  • Don't need to be told how to behave by someone who breaks his own damn rules anyway
I think 2 or 3 of these were gathered from D3V. :rolleyes:

Tyrannicide 2004-07-23 07:42 PM

FUCKING FUCK FUCK!

I agree with some of those fucking changes.

KagomJack 2004-07-23 07:45 PM

That's a pretty decent and fair list, Slim.

-Spector- 2004-07-23 08:01 PM

no more 10 char limit ....

Golly Gosh i was just Joking! :-P

KagomJack 2004-07-23 08:10 PM

Well, let's put it this way.

Zelaron Member A wants to post something about the news.
Zelaron Member B wants to reply, but it is probably less than 10 characters.
Zelaron Member B has to lengthen the message so he can post it.

That's why it should be lessened.

Titusfied 2004-07-23 08:52 PM

Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

Negative comments are different from flames. If someone posts constructive criticism, even if it sounds like a flame, it is fine. The problem occurs with simple name calling and cursing that have no point, other than to degrade someone without intent to improve upon anything.

More Moderation is needed, not only to alleviate Sovereign of his duties, but just because Mods aren't doing enough as of now. There is a new system being talked about right now, but much still needs to be ironed out. I don't know if it will even work, but we will see.

There was a big discrepancy with what should be Edited. Simple enough, the Staff are now aware that only advertising posts should be Edited. Everything else should be Split and Moved to the Trashcan. Mods are now going to PM a member if they think a specific topic isn't deemed appropriate. Then, if it is done again, action will be taken.

There are no swearing rules. Swear the fuck away for all I fucking care.

More consistency will be used when Moderating from now on.

More warnings will be administered. Remember, with User Notes, a members history is accessible, and some rule offenses could be grounds for an "insta-ban", as you called it.

Threads are only to be Closed when they go too far Off-topic or their purpose has been served. Others will just be moved to the Chat Forum if they suck, or if the Mod so pleases, to the Trashcan.

Good or possibly good threads are always to be kept around and clean, if possible. If a thread gets so contaminated, it is up the Mod whether or not they want to go through the effort to Split out the crap and keep it open, or to just Trash, Move, or Close it.

DaFrigginDoctah 2004-07-23 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titusfied
Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

Negative comments are different from flames. If someone posts constructive criticism, even if it sounds like a flame, it is fine. The problem occurs with simple name calling and cursing that have no point, other than to degrade someone without intent to improve upon anything.

Thank you for letting us know. We'd be at a loss if we didn't know you had to re-type it.

I'll be a new mod. ^_^

Titusfied 2004-07-23 09:05 PM

There you go smartass. I only wrote that because I was going to Edit the post until all points were covered. I didn't feel like going through the whole process again and making another dumb mistake and lose it all.

badboy 2004-07-23 10:53 PM

I could be a mod of something.

Thanatos 2004-07-23 11:31 PM

What the fuck Slim? Grav was going to post that when he got unbanned and he was going to go into MUCH more detail. You're out of the club! :(

Slim 2004-07-23 11:32 PM

Sorry, I wasn't informed of this. He can still do it when he comes back, this is just a basic outline anyway.

tokill.ace 2004-07-24 12:52 AM

zelaron kicks ass no need for changes

kockblocker1 2004-07-24 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanatos
What the fuck Slim? Grav was going to post that when he got unbanned and he was going to go into MUCH more detail. You're out of the club! :(

It's so cute, you guys have a club.

Chruser 2004-07-24 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titusfied
Holy fucking shit, I just wrote out the longest fucking reply and when I hit backspace, the Alt key must have be stuck or something, because the page refreshed one page back and I lost it all... I will try to get the jist of it all down now.

I've had similar things happen before. I try to copy the text I've written to my keyboard as often as possible.

Thanatos 2004-07-24 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kockblocker1
It's so cute, you guys have a club.

Not really a club so much as a group of pure kickass.

Vollstrecker 2004-07-24 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titusfied
but just because Mods aren't doing enough as of now.

I feel unloved.

Randuin 2004-07-24 09:03 AM

You should be murdered for your signature.

Titusfied 2004-07-24 10:25 AM

Like I said in my post, Grav won't be Unbanned for a long ass time (I think another 10 + days still), so I wanted to see what you had in mind. No need for him to be here to explain yourselves.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-24 02:14 PM

I'd more layout options, and perhaps more monkeys, monkeys are crazy and unpredictable, and would be amusing on zelaron, WE NEED MORE MONKEYS!

Slim 2004-07-24 02:14 PM

We banned the only monkey around recently...D3V.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-24 02:23 PM

I'm confused: Currently Active Users (3 members & 1 guests): MenstrualChunks, D3V, undeadzombieguy

Slim 2004-07-24 02:23 PM

He can browse, just not post.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-24 02:24 PM

Hello DV3... you suck, and you cant do anything about it, you just have to swallow that comment.. MUAHAHAHA

Slim 2004-07-24 02:25 PM

Everyone already knows D3V sucks, he even knows it.

HandOfHeaven 2004-07-24 02:25 PM

Be a man, get on AIM and insult him.

MenstrualChunks 2004-07-24 02:28 PM

FUCK AOL! I fucking hate AOL and anything related to it, you let them have just 1MB of your computer and they over run it with 50 shortcuts leading to AOL, because the software is designed for complete fucking retards, and doesn't allow you to do anything useful with your browser.

Thanatos 2004-07-24 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titusfied
Like I said in my post, Grav won't be Unbanned for a long ass time (I think another 10 + days still), so I wanted to see what you had in mind. No need for him to be here to explain yourselves.

It was his idea in the first place anyways. He'll have much more to add to it; be pacient, young grasshopper.

slaynish 2004-07-24 06:27 PM

Only thing i care about is the media and arts section.

If those go, I go. Thats it.

Edit: 
Which is why it means so much to me to mod them :P

Penny_Bags 2004-07-25 07:55 PM

First off, stop this off topic bullshit, this isn't the "Make me a mod!!!!" thread, nor is any other.

Yeah, the so called list of improvements was going back and forth between PM's, and Slim wasn't really supposed to do that, but I doubt it matters.

Slim 2004-07-25 07:57 PM

Yeah, my mistake. I wasn't informed that it was still in the development phase. I'm sure Grav can just add onto this, with more detail when he returns.

Penny_Bags 2004-07-25 08:14 PM

No problem...

D3V 2004-07-25 10:12 PM

I'll be posting a vaguely detailed list sooner or later. Though, Zelaron is fine how it is.

Raziel 2004-07-26 04:45 AM

Well, I'm already attempting to make use of the "better moderation" suggestion. I've been slacking off, not reading threads with titles that don't immediately interest me and such. I'll try to step it up a few more notches over the next few days.

Medieval Bob 2004-07-26 07:48 AM

Will someone explain to me how the masses want both more moderation and more freedom of speech? You want to say what you want, but you want it moderated moreso than it is right now. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

D3V 2004-07-26 08:22 AM

No, most of us want more 'freedom' and for the staff to get the same punishment.

Medieval Bob 2004-07-26 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slim
Desire to not have any negative comment be deemed as a flame or moved to the flame forum
Tired of mods editing posts and other censorship, want free(er) speech
A thread going somewhat off topic doesnt need to be closed
Less closing/trashing of threads that could be good or are controversial (staff flame, por ejemplo)

Not enough moderation, so Sov does most of it (poorly), need new flame/chat mod. Not just RS.

What do you want moderated more? You just made a list of things you don't want moderated.

Slim 2004-07-26 09:36 AM

None of these are even MY ideas. Titus asked for a list, I happened to have that list, and I posted it.


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