The Insolence Petition
 

:fire:Hi peeps, long time no see. I haven't been posting for along time and recently I got really busy with work and the new year coming up. Anyways I came on tonight to find out that Insolence was banned. I read all of the posts about it and felt that maybe what is did was wrong but no reason to ban him. I mean think about all the people out there that get their accounts hack, deleted and such, probably some from right here in zelaron.com yet they won't say they did. Now as a few of you know, Insolence and I from day one, never got along (probably still don't). But I have to go with him on this one. First let me get some questions out of the way.

1. The most important one is the remark about having .sick pay money. Did Insolence have a patton on his idea? Was it legally binding that it was his and his alone?? HELL NO!! When something is made, produced, or created in anyway on net and it is given out, you cannot go back and charge the people cash just because they used or distributed it.

2. Is Insolence trustworthy?? Maybe only to his friends, but I don't know or care if .sick was or wasn't a friend of Insolence. Was or wasn't it doesn't matter because everyone in the Diablo world knows that in every case you always take a risk of losing your account when you deal with using programs or trusting unknown programmers. Granted Insolence admits to hacking the account password, But how many of you newbie players have run into another player and get suckered into giving up your account throught some sly story about they having to leave D2 and they wante you to watch their account for them?? My own sister on another game with her b/f got screwed over by one of his friends, simply cause he just one day decided to turn on them and he took everything and deleted their account, and this was on an mmorpg.

One is for sure with Insolence and I and that is I know where I stand with him. Frankly I think this was just another case of one guy whining about how he put too much trust into one guy and got burned, in which it happens in D2 all the time. So I ask one last time:

Do you think Insolence should be banned??

P.S. BTW admins, if you close the poll I will just start another one on my offical website. This is not a threat but I just don't like it when my threads are closed without my permission.

Signed my name.

BTW, Kuja, you know this thread is going to favor insolence, and that's the only reason you're going to close it. I know you'll close it. "The decision is final."

What a fucking nazi wannabe.

I sign my name as well.

Just on the side note...it is not your right to have a thread...it is here because it's your privilege. If the admins see fit to close it they do not need your permission to do so.

And even if you do post the poll on your official website...it has no say in here whatsoever. The admins decision is final, zelaron is not a democracy where you can change rules around here by posting. You can raise hell about it, and maybe it will change, but posting a poll alone and showing it to the admins will most probably not do anything.

I dont need yoru permission to close threads -_-.

How many of these threads have to be made? sheesh, ive stated my opinion once and ill state it again. If insolence can find a way to repay .sick for the deleted chracters and items, (minus some for the bot that .sick recieved) then i say unban him. Otherwise, he should stay banned. This is just my opinion.

Edit:

apparently kuja closed the other unban insolence thread. My bad. Kuja DO NOT CLOSE THIS THREAD. Zelaron members have a right to voice their opinion even though it may not change anything

I think a box of Fruit Loops would more than make up for .sick's loss.

Well at least its something...

:fire: Excuse me?? but did you say you don't need to have my permission to close my thread?? Ummm... I am not breaking any rules, and so long as I am not breaking them you have no right to close anything. I can make a hundred of these things so long as I am not breaking rules and you can't do anything about it cause I am just stating my point of view. Sounds to me like if things went your way as an admin, nobody could post anything unless if it's what you think is right. Sounds like conformity to me. Maybe you should be the one banned instead of Insolence because of "misuse of power"?? The whole point of messageboards and polls is to express your own point of view.

As for rasing a little hell to get things changed, it's it this thread the point of that?? If this poll shows that most people want Insolence back, then shouldn't the Admins take heed of that? I know I would if I was an admin. But hey I am not, so lets bow down to Sov's one track mind, cause we all know that everything Sov says is the right path of truth.

Aliens controling our minds??? HA, I think they mistook that for Admins, lolz!

Notice how i said "this is my opinion". Nobody has to listen to it, nor do i expect anyone to. NEver did i say this is "the path of truth" or whatever.

How am i breakign rules? Im simply stating that i dont need yoru permission to close threads IF I SEE A NEED TO. i didnt say i was going to close anything. I dont see how thats abuse of power.... but whatever.

Also take a look at my edit from my last post. "zel members have the right to voice their opinions". As you can see i am FOR the making of this thread. So why you just started that rant i havce no idea.

Well...see chruser banned Insolence himself. As much as I disagree with chruser and even kuja on the matter, it is chruser's board and he can do as he see fit. Sovereign does have the power to close this thread. If it were to get filled with spam, or something else it is completely within his rights to close this thread. If chruser wants to close this thread he can...its his board no matter what you say. I dont agree with it...but you can't say that he can not do it.

Yes yes back on topic to un-bannign insolence or this thread WILL be closed

:fire:God you guys are dense!!! Can't you guys tell what sarcasium is?? Yes let's get back to the unbanning of Insolence, which reminds me of one last thing, what does "closing a thread if you see if" having anything to do with Insolence?? All I was stating was that I don't like my post closed for now resaon, like the last poll was for Insolence, I was just making sure it wasn't closed like the last one was and that one didn't have any spam or anything in it. Just a Admin not liking how it was turning out. Sure Chruser has the right to do what he want's to his own board, but if he doesn't listen to the people he's building it for, he is going to lose members. Maybe not today, but someday.

But your right, this is about Insolence and so we shall go back to talking about just that.

Nuff said!

Ban Insolence 0 0%
Unban Insolence 9 100.00%


Just thought I'd point that out.

Somehow I doubt 9 votes are going to change much right now, lets give it a bit more time than that eh king?? lolz

Progress is progress.

Ban untill items given back.

I believe some were sold.

Then he needs to use his personal money to buy the same items off ebay and then give the items back.

Some characters were deleted too.

God why did i forget that again.... Ok yeah thats bad... >.<

Let's see, the votes are 9 for unbanning, and 0 to keep him banned. A member shouldn't be banned innocently, but there's a little something that disturbs me.

So in other words, Insolence should be unbanned just because OTHER people can and will scam? How many people do you really think scam others on a constant basis? You see bots marching through channels a lot, don't you? Face it, there still aren't "that many scammers" compared to the amount of players in-game. And if someone trusts a close friend who still steals their items, I don't see a reason why this scammer shouldn't be punished if possible.

There's nothing personal against Insolence in this matter. It's just a matter of whether or not someone on Zelaron should be able to contact another Zelaroner, steal his account, sell his items and delete his characters, just to come back to the board and steal his forum account for whatever reason. If that's the kind of people you want on the forum, then go ahead, tell me to unban him and I will.

Unban him.

......pwn

Took the words out of my mouth Chruser.

I like Insolence, but I think his ban was fair.

But I recommend lifting the ban after a while, he's a good kid, I know he helped me alot..

:fire: Okay, you are misunderstanding me chruser. No offence to you chruser but I don't see why you would ban a person because of something that happens all the time. Okay, Insolence may be an umannered, fowl mouth jerk, but this is the first time I have heard of him doing something like this. So Chruser you are saying that if I were to say break into King's account, steal his stuff and change the password, you would ban me just cause I did this once, not even considering the reasons why? Just that the act was done? That because you see less people getting hacked or deleted, that gives you the right to ban him for doing it once??Okay maybe that's a little far gone but what i am saying is you have got people on one side saying that he wouldn't do it but then you have got people on the other side saying he would. He admits to it but doesn't that count for something. It's not like he hid it from you and lied about it.

Like I stated before, him and I have never gotten along, I would be more of an enemy than a friend to him. I have nothing to gain from this, nor do I want to. I just don't believe that you should ban him so quickly . Yes I believe that he should be punished, but banning him? Can't we restrict him from doing certain things on the board or something, and if he does it again, then we ban him? Or can't we just ban him for a certain period of time, like a month or two? Because I don't think you should ban one and not the other, I think you should ban .sick too. Why you ask?? Well Insolence was the one to hack and delete, but from what I hear .sick went out and distributed Insol's bot program without his permission.

Sorry, my last post was finally done after A-chrome posted. Damn slow-a" comp. lolz

Well, I think that the fact that he used Zelaron to get someone else's account information, just so he could steal their items and delete their characters is more than enough to warrant a ban.

I also think that since he did fess up to this, wasn't trying to pull a smoothy on anyone, and got his bot distributed in the process, that maybe a Permanent Ban is not in place. I do feel as though he should be banned for a good amount of time, just not permanently.

Then maybe we can agree upon a temporary ban if Chruser agrees to it? Maybe a moderator can fix the poll to add a new choice of Temp Ban on it?? See if maybe people will agree to that??

ban him, maybe he will get a life then -_-

Oh, so because something happens rather often now, it should be justified and okay? If people started to get murdered at five times the rate of today, should the penalties for the crime be lowered "just because more people do it"? Sorry, I don't buy your reasoning at all.

First off, the fact that .sick passed the bot on has not even been proved, only claimed. And frankly, yes, I would most likely ban you for doing something like that. If you murder someone, does the reasons WHY you did it really matter? Insolence deleted .sick's characters, so getting him to undo his sins isn't the easiest of things to ask for now.

Once again, why does other people's actions justify his? He did wrong, now he pays for it. Personally, I'd ban every scammer from this board who's ever used Zelaron to scam someone. In fact, I'd want to ban anyone who spends time ruining other people's gameplay by stealing their accounts, whether or not they have used this board to establish contact.

I want this board to be as safe as possible and NOT scammer-friendly? What about you?

This is str8 from insolence:

1) He contacted ME through my clan thread, we met, became friends, we met before i even thought about making an autoit bot.

2) I did not 'sell' his items.

3) I stoled his tals armor, and soj, so he could not even try to use my bot any more, i did not scout his mules for items.

4) He taunted me, and frankly, was an asshole after i stole his shit 'HAHA you stupid fag, you didnt even check the mules and take the other 2 sojs and shako i had!', so i deleted his 2 chars (which he always complained about sucking anyway)

5) I did not TRADE my bot to sick for his account, i gave it to him as a friendly gesture

6) He gave it to his friends, he threatened to sell it unless i gave him the 'right version' (he thought i sent him one that would purposely mess up, just to make him angry)

7) He would not stop complaining about the bot, and just plain bothering me.

8) He stalks my friends, he pked eellis when him and my friend were doing hell ancients for me...

9) He has more then enough items (or so he claims: 2 sojs, shako) to get tals armor back, and mf another soj.

10) I will NOT repay him for his items, i did what I thought would stop him, and it did.

11) Since HE contacted me before i even started the bot, i did not use zelaron forums to steal his account.

12) I did not change his zelaron password, thats a lie.

13) I did not use his zelaron information to get his account.

14) ZELARON WAS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY WAY/SHAPE/FORM.

15) I did not ask people to support me on this, everyone who has done it, has done it by their own will, and i appriciate your help :-)

16) As i said, it was not my intention to delete any characters, but he taunted me into it.

17) Also, to add as a funny side note, I checked his yahoo email account, and it was full of pictures of men (various poses, hair styles, and less clothing then you would think)

Hah, now that is pretty funny. There are always other sides to the story, so this should be taken into consideration, and why not.

I openly admitted to stealing someone's gunbound account a few days ago, do I have immunity or something?

No, you don't. Did you establish contact through Zelaron?

No, he doesn't visit Zelaron.(at least from what I know, I got the password from Kaos, and I don't know who the guy is, so if he does visit Zelaron it's not something I know.)

But, you know either way that I could scam someone here at Zelaron, so ban me now bitch.

No, you have not broken any rules, and zelaron was not part of this scamming deal. No need for a ban.

I've scammed Zelaron members before, so I could do it again, so YES, ban me.

Why are you trying to get banned so bad KA?

Insolence asked me to add this:

HE established the connection with me, so wait, what rules did i break, and he did not?

I just wanna get banned because I'm getting tired of getting away with stuff others don't.