A Very Real Letter About War... A Must Read For All You Anti-War/America Homos.
 

This is an open letter to hollywood, written by Charlie Daniels. Kind of long, but enjoyable to read and goes by fast.

So, what do you think?

I personally, don't think I could've said it better myself. Although he was directing this mainly to the overpaid, overindulging Hollywood pricks that don't support war, I think that it can be conveyed to some of you people in here just as well, but with a few excerpts of differing word choices.

Try to think about others and how it will effect the world as a whole, not just how you think it effects you and your underdeveloped brain capacities.

HOORAAAAAAAAAA!

war only brings death...and the statistics of casualties of wa make september 11th look like a joke. Why dont you explain to me what sadaam has done to america thats so bad...

As long as there is people, there will be war, so deal with it you pussy little mjordan bitch. Stop crying, and just be glad that the U.N. will be winning our wars for the time being.

Charlie Daniels was on the radio here, their site is www.fm99.com

He basicly said the things that are in that letter, But if anyone knows Charlie Daniels, he sang a song denouncing the Vietnam vets, and I think this is his attempt to make u p for that.

jeezus christ dude...why dont you go read a book or something and try to carry on a mature conversation.

10/10.

Speaking of mature things aren't you eleven years old?

I think you shoud get your statistics straight.
Casualties of war and people dying while trying to earn money to live the life we live getting killed by the thousands while at work are totally DIFFERENT things.

Casualties of war are people dying while defending a countries rights.

September eleventh was thousands of people living by our freedoms murdered while trying to earn a dollar.

I honestly wish your parents were in those buildings on that day.

Fool, I hope you get S.A.R.S, bitch.

I've stated this a few times. They've said it on the news. It's been on the internet.

Saddam is a harborer, trainer, financer, and supporter of terrorism. Osama doesn't do all this shit. One thing Saddam has done to America.. hrm.. He supported Osama in the 9/11 strike. He refused to cooperate in inspections for an extended amount of time. He even refused our offer to leave Iraq within 48 hours after several months of warning, and called us on what he thought was a bluff.

so much evidence out the ass the US has and has shown some to the UN already to convence other countries to step up and help, yet most still wouldnt.. stating " more evidence plz" what u want us to wait for another pearl harbor or sep 11?

we will begin the attks to assure our countries safe as will we free Iraq and as we have others Japan, South Korea, Germany, Afghan soon to be the list goes on.

the government has more evidence im sure and hasnt shown these either for the publics assurence of safety..last thing they want us to know is Saddam may have nukes facing all major cities in US, which could be, so Bush started the war as fast as he could. What the govt. knows and what the people knows are very different

i say u let bush do his job and stop flamming what hes figting for, its all for good reasons. You punch someone in the face, you do it for a reason, CAUSE AND EFFECT!

Good point. There are lots of things that the public doesn't know about. We're damn-near in the dark. Some of us *cough* mjordan *cough* are in the dark. There are more things relevant to the situation that we, the public, know about.

dont bring my age into this...if u want to use my age as a factor why r u sitting on ur ass arguing with an "immature 11 yr old". Statistics are in desert storm 150,000 CIVILLIANS were killed by stray bullets, bombs and other ammunition, and predictions for this one are anywhere from 2000-50000.

We don't have proof that he supported osama in 9/11, and why the hell should he cooperate with foreign inspections. And a president isn't just going to be banished from his own country b/c some1 else requests him to leave. Yes the govt. has more evidence but it would be more miniscule very fickle and debatable facts otherwise they would have gone public and there would be more public support for the war. I'm not saying bush isn't fighting for the right reason...ridding the world of terrorism would be great, but how he's going about doing it through war and bringing upon more death isn't the way 2 do it imho. And what about terrorism right here in the states...they aren't doing anything to fight people like mcVeigh. As I said before, bush is doing this so he isn't known as the president who did nothing for his country, it's drastic measures, or so i believe. Also, do you actually believe that getting rid of one person will rid the earth of terrorism, or even bring it down a substantial percentage?

Arguing here, talking on the internet, isn't going to do anything. It's just going to be an arguement. If you WANT to do something, then go protest. Go make a sign, and find a place to protest. Otherwise, shut your trap and hope that this conflict which has *already* started, ends quickly and painlessly.

Edit : Oh and if its any counsil, conflict IS part of human beings, but only when you stick different human beings together. When humans are in small groups, there aren't really any conflicts at all, if any. That's something nasa is aiming for - space colonies ;) Small groups, no fighting.

We're not arguing. We're debating on a wordly issue. This is what the Conspiracy forum is for.

50,000 civilian deaths? That's way off base. There are only 200,000 in their military, and most of them are giving up/expected to give up quickly. They soldiers don't want a fight. They want a liberator, which is what we are.

YOU don't have proof that he supported Osama in 9/11. The public knows that he supports his efforts in the middle east. I'm sure there are a few things they know about that they haven't bothered to tell you yet mjord. And no, they are not all "debatable facts" as you put it (btw there is no such thing as a debatable fact). Some of them we need to keep secret so we do not give away an advantage. Many people ridiculed Bush for saying when he was going to attack. If he hadn't, however, we would have lots and lots of people saying that it was without warning. Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet.

Consider, for one moment, what would happen if Iraq were to suddenly attack the US, or any country for that matter, without warning as they were expected to do. (And NO, do NOT say that isn't possible. It's the EXACT thing that happened in Pearl Harbor. It happened once, and it can happen again.)

1. Saddam has and is willing to use chemical warfare. As presented here, he tested chemical weaponry on 5000 Iranians just before an Iraqi invasion into Iran in 1980. Those people are gone. http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1214-01.htm

2. If Saddam tested chemical weaponry on 5000 people in 1980, what do you think he is capable of today, 23 years later? Here's an example for reference, in 1980, America had satelites in space that could photograph anywhere on Earth. We could see the make of car you drive to work. Today, in 2003, from a satelite in space, we can see the Eye of a common house fly. We can tell what color your shoelaces are.

3. If you want to be informed on some of our reasons for war, read this article: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/ar...30206070955230

4. For an estimate on Iraq's weapon force, they possibly have "20,000 litres of biological warfare agents," and "6,000 chemical warfare bombs." This information is from, as you advised us to watch, the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/2590265.stm

"1,000 Tons of Chemical Agent Unaccounted For" Here is a general overview of this problem. Most people requested more time for inspections. The Pope agreed. Powel replied, "The threat of force must remain. We cannot wait for one of these terrible weapons to turn up in our cities."

There was time given for inspection. Iraq was not helpful. Their job was to help inspectors to find whatever they were looking for. Did they help? No. If Iraq didn't have these weapons, they would prove it. Do you think that a country would destroy 20,000 liters of a substance without documenting any proof? That's rediculous.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...4/151151.shtml

Do some research. Find out what Iraq is capable of. If there were to attack the US, there would be quite a few more deaths than 50,000. We aim to wipe out the military leaders. We do not want to kill soldiers and will accept all surrenders from them. We are actively trying not to kill civilians. However, what did they attack on 9/11? A building VERY populated with civilians. What's to say they wouldn't simply send in five or six thousand chemical warfare bombs and wipe out the entire east coast of America? Nothing is to say that. They have given no proof of not having the weapons, nor have they shown the weapons to the world. If someone has an acceptable reason of having that many chemical weapons, he would announce it to ease the nerves of the world. SADDAM HAS NOT GIVEN ANY REASON, HE DENIES HE IS IN POSSESSION WITHOUT GIVING PROOF.

The Prime Minister of Britain has stated that the lives protected from this war will outweigh those lost. Yes, it is a horrible connection to have to make, but if you want to compare numbers, let's compare.

2,000 to 50,000 civilians possibly (accidentally) killed in Iraq.
Vs
Oh.. say 140,000,000 civilians possibly (intentionally) killed in America.

Which would you prefer? I'd take my chances in Iraq. Sorry, but other solutions have run out. This is what we are left with.

Ummm no, that stat is so far off base it is laughable, the best estimates of the UN put civilian casualties at 13,000 and the Iraqis themselves will only admit to 8,000 or so. Most of the "civilians" killed were Iraqi rapist pillagers and looters who were caught on the highway of death fleeing Kuwait City with everything they could steal tied to their vehicles. Saddams relationship with terrorists is a proven fact, not speculation. The Iraq govt personally pays the families of Palestinian "Martyrs" who murder innocent Israelis on a daily basis.

Get your fucking facts straight and your pollyanna head out of your ass.

The world is a fucked up place and the USA has every right to clean up any dirty little corner that may pose a danger to its citizens and its economic prosperity.

bob...i haven't read everything u said yet...ill go through them and get back 2 u. Doofus...i read a few places where it said civilian casualties were 150000+...if ill c if i can find it again...maybe i have incorrect info...i dunno...it's not that i dont support the US...as arachdenome has put it...i just dont support war and i wish there was a simpler way 2 do this.

Stray bullets. You said that right? Why the hell were 150,000 civilians walking around in a war zone?

Lol. That's probably the funniest thing I've heard today. Anyhow, read all my info mjord. Check the links. I'd like to see what you have to say after getting some information.

I have to say, mjordan2nd, even though you are young in age, you are smart enough to be my age, and maybe some of the older ages on these forums.

yah for a 11 or 12 year old you are really seem smart and stuff

Heh, well, I didn't read one reply but from what I gather MJordan doesn't agree with war. He's a pussy then. Period.

Thnx iceman and jamesdain.

how does my opinion contradicting with yours make me a pussy, please explain.

Well, it has an underlaying message. You are scared of war = You are scared of conflict = You are scared of a fight = You are a pussy. :)

Agree, but talk about it is different when someone puting a gun at your head realistic, i know i will scare to death.

war is enevitable . its like exhaling all the air in your lungs and trying to hold your breath. it can be held for only so long before u need to take a huge breath. but after that you can hold your breathe for even longer. this was what occured during the world wars and the korean war and vietnam. after that their werent many wars for a while. i think sadam has had it a long time coming ... desert storm was the begginning and this will be the end. a bush begins it and a bush ends it, poetic justic no? if people really didnt want war then why did you vote for bush. i know how crazy that sounds but common with that recent report of how sadam tried to kill senior bush after desert storm and with all that you cant blame the guy for trying to get ALL the info he could and go after sadam. sure bush is not the brightest person but who cares if he gets his job done , keeps US casualties low and actually does something about the California budget crisis b4 he goes out of office he wont go down in flames.... i mean even with da scandle with Clinton people dont think hes such a bad dood now .. he even donates n crap to charity. war is what keeps our world held together ... without any sort of conflict there is no source to spark hope without hope there is no goals without goals there is no point in living. every thing strives on war. theres allways the bitch period before war where all the countries try and stop it theres the protests and the stock market starts acting MORE like a yoyo (if thats possible...) afterwards though all the countries THANK the US the stocks go hella high and all the worlds good ... till the next war/confrontation. even if the war was pointless or we had no reason to be there (vietnam war) we still are able to convince ourselves we had a reason to actually be there. and i dont just mean the US i mean every1, the UK, UN all of them. i mean when the vietnam vets came back every1 hated them and persecuted them but eventually look wat happend they get huge ass memorials holidays and all that crap.


Basic point of above post - Good comes from evil, evil comes from good. without the two there is no point.

I didn't read one word of that gibberish and don't expect anyone else too.

Try using paragraphs and spaces to make it easier to read....

... wouldnt make a difference just would make it longer. and i dont approve of saying something that is a legitamit post Giberish ... thats not nice. if u read it mabye u would understand ..

titus if my grammar bothers u, then delete the post .

I am in total agreence with this man, and I think that many of his points are very valid, including the part about the 'perfect' world without war, etc.

Im happy there are still people out there that support Bushs decision... oh yea, over 70% of the United States population stand by his decision...

What personally angers me, is Chruser with the banner. #1 Hes fucking swedish, shut your damn mouth #2 Its insulting to many visitors/members by putting up a banner... Although, he is the boss!

Anyways, just my opinion...

lol i didnt know chruser was swedish ... but that banner is really annoying . Impeaching bush wouldnt do anything .. the next president would still have to fix it . unless it was like a green peace pres. imagine that. all fundings to military go to protecting the rainforest heh.

I never said your post was gibberish, per say, but rather looked like gibberish because of the way it looked. I can only imagine how many more replies you would get if it were more distributed and broken up.

That was my only point, and I still haven't and don't plan on reading it.

If I could delete it, I would, but I don't have that authority.

I also hate that damn banner. What kind of message does that send to people that enter the forum for the first time. I'm sure its not enticing them to stay longer.........

I didt pay much attention to the banner, i dont think would care much, it's a game site, who care about the war (The ppl that looking for game info).

message to titus: just read da damn post and stfu ^_^
the banner isnt that annoying but the site that it leads to is. i mean common who the hell makes that crap!?

Fact: the US and the UN put Sadaam into power. now they taking him out of power :-) its so simple. "We made you and we can destry you!"

Charlie Daniels is my hero. That guy sumed it up perfectly. Bush is a good president when it came down to it and i fully support his decision. Its a shame that hes probabaly not gonna get re-elected. I know im voting for him.

C'mon people are u blind? I don't want to insult you, but it's clear why there was a war in Iraq: OIL. Don't bring up the weapons of mass destruction, nor the civil freedoms denied by their goverment, for a fact the situation in North Korea is much worse, and yes they do have Nuclear weapons, not posibly but it's a fact, but strangely there is no war there.

Another interesting fact is that the oil reserves in Saudi Arabia a pro western State are quickly depleting.

I don't want to say that Sadam should stay in power, he is (was) a sadistic leader who would do anything to stay in power, even use chemical weap. against his own people, but what the reasons of the anglo-american coalition for this war, are not those wich they have declared.

Sorry about my english it is my second language.

I don't believe in war.
But I do believe that every one is intitled to live how they please with out oppression and with out fear from terrorits I believe that this is worth fighting for.

It's very easy to make judgements on situations like this, when you are safe and warm in your own home.

if the fact that saddam murders, rapes, tortures as well as weapons tests on his own people isnt enough, what about the fact that he's repeatedly attempted to obtain weapons grade uranium?

Every day that we would have talked piece more and more innocent civilians would have fallen victim to his crude dictatorship. More woman would have been kidnaped and raped, more children died of starvation, one more child lost his parents because there faith strayed from saddam.

Then the day arrives when saddam gets his hands on uranium. If any of you even think he wouldn't use it for the most disgusting and violent acts possible then apparently you've never heard of terrorism. You saw what terrorists did with a plane on 9/11, what do you think they would do with a nuke?

Wow, why is this still a topic. It should have stayed dead like its been for some time now.

somebody close this. the war is over and what is done has been done.