War against Iraq
 

What you think of the attitude from Germany and France opposite the USA? And would a war really help the world? Hm... I don't think so I think the USA only want the oil from Iraq and more might.

This is my view:

We are going to go to war with Iraq to set an example. The only reason those countries are so hostile towards to USA is because they live in such poverty and really have nothing better to do than hate the prosperous USA. Once we dethrone Sadaam and set up a Democracy, Iraq is going to flourish in ways they could only dream of, guaranteed.

Other countries will see this, and hopefully make the change over in a non-hostile manner. Its all just a big scandal that was brought up by anti-war movement pussies that are trying to come up any excuse to get more opposition towards war. The oil factor is nothing more than that, a feeble last attempt to gain support for their movement which they don't realize will cause more harm than good if they were successful.

War is inevitable, but the choice lies in the hands of where? Would you rather go to war with a country like North Korea that has known nuclear capabilities and would probably use them if worse came to worse? Or would you rather take down a 40 year long dictatorship in Iraq and show the rest of the world waht Democracy can really bring to the table?

What the hell? Thats not the United States job to do. The US isn't supposed to go arround killing all the tyrants and converting them to democracy. There are hundreds of tyranical leaders and we can't go arround killing them all just because they are a tyrant... what the hell?

We can't go arround changing some country half way arround the world's government. It should be the PEOPLE who deicide, not some stupid ass government half way around the world from them. And I bet you most of the people would rather have Sadaam as a leader than some prick the United States appoints.

i agree to hellmonkey , US is a bum man, take care it's own coutry first , in my city there over 500 murder every year wtf is this

Other countries will get mad and will bomb the us..





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that i don't believe :)

It has happened before so what Titusfied said isn't so far fetched, just one example is Rome conquered Germany and introduced them too a united democracy. Also it has happened many other times by Rome, and all other great empires even the US has changed a couple of countrys from Communism or dictatorship too more American Republic/ Democracy. The only thing I hope doesn't happen is that we conquer Iraq, which I don't even think'll happen Because usually when we remove a government we just appoint a member of there country that shares our same view or we let NATO govern it. But back too wut I was saying earlier the only thing I hope that doesn't happen is shit like with Great Britian and there "Brave Heart"...

Unfortunately so far this is the only real reason I've heard for going to war, and is that seriously a good enough reason?

Since when is the USA the savior of the world? We stood back and did nothing while Tibet was completely raped and ravaged by the Chinese government, so why do we suddenly care so much about Iraq?

Those "pussies" are risking their jobs and the quality of their lives protesting for what they believe in. They are getting arrested and abused by the police. What have you done? You sat in front of your computer writing misinformed pro-war propaganda.

Name one really good reason.

Seriously man, pull your head out of your ass. The USA is limiting trade sanctions on materials such that Iraq isn't even being permitted to import the resources to clean up the waste of the war, and the Iraqi children are being born with severe birth defects as a result. Check this out:

http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

Holy shit that is FUCKED UP.

dude, USA is considered a world power and those 7 eleven people broke our twin towers, c'mon you think we should just say ok ok probably those airplains crashed to the twin towers IN ACCEDINT ??

J_iceman, it's a known fact that Al Qaida was responsible for the WTC tragedy, not Iraq, so don't even try that angle. Unless you can prove that the Iraqi government organized the plane crashes then forget about it.

Wait a minute I didn’t say who ever did it, (well I guess I did) but I actually meant terrorism in general!! we dont care about who did it, it's terrorism that U.S. of A is planning to cut down
And you know what, i am actually supporing it, instead of no no no we should just leave them alone

So you think declaring war on one country that was unrelated to the terrorist acts is a good solution to terrorism? Do you think the middle-eastern countries are all one unit or something? You think they're all plotting against us? They can't even settle their own problems with each other. But somehow we're all supposed to believe they're in cahoots with eachother.

Yes,yes, yes, and your right

Sovereign, what do you mean? Sorry but I don't understand what you were agreeing with and what you were saying yes yes to. please explain

Thats ok. im answering your questions in order. And then im agreeing wiht what you said about "But somehow we're all supposed to believe they're in cahoots with eachother"

Well then I can't believe there are people like you who actually think that. Seriously, just because a bunch of countries are near eachother does not mean they are all in each other's plans. In my last sentence I did not mean that they are all in cahoots, but the government wants you to think that.

What I am trying to get to is: There is no real reason to have this war!

If we attack iraq, which i believe, is known to harbor terrorists, we will make 1 less area for them to plan/hang around/recruit more members in.

Iraq, is no doubt a bad place, how do you know that page is even real... i had my liberal, anarchist, sister tell me millions of people a day in iraq are dying because of sanctions, and she read that on a website... Do you know how many people live in Iraq?

21 million, or around there, she saw on a website, 1 million people died a day, she was obviously wrong, how come you are so right.

Your being spoon fed propaganda, don't you see?

The majority of the United States of America agreed with the war on terror (iraq, afghanistan (sp)) Titus is right when he says this is the last feeble attempts of a losing minority to get their un-informed point accross.. go make some tie-die t-shirts and make yourself useful, please.

You don't know for sure, do you?

For two reasons. First, I know the professor from my university that went to Iraq to do research on this subject. I saw first-hand pictures for myself, and I have read many other sources from official US diplomats who got fired by the US government for revealing the truth about the trade sanctions. I looked for this page on the internet to provide an example of what I already knew to you all. Second, the research on that page is peer-reviewed, which doesn't gaurantee it's accuracy, but it shows that the information was approved of by multiple authorities on the subject who were not apart of creating that page.

According to one of the latest official estimates it is 22,190,369, with approx. 51 people per square kilometer.

Because I know the facts.

You're being spoon fed lies by the government and by the Republican-biased media don't you see?

Don't make shit up. Bush declared war, no one asked us.

How is your point so much more informed? Titus did not even have facts in his post, it was a ranting overemotional pile of bullshit. If you're so informed, show me a really good reason for this war. And Bush himself is starting to admit that the military intelligence he relied on for terrorist information was faulty so don't even try the "we suspect they was harborin' terrorists" angle ok?

Iraq, WAS HARBORING terrorists... Sadaam himself, can be considered a terrorist, a terror to his own people.

Fox news polls, showed, i beleive 60~ of americans were for the war.. Why wouldn't sadaam let in weapons inspectors?

That's enough to bomb him right there, we went to the un, we gave him a date and time in which he could have given us full access to find weapons, but NO.

He forced the war upon himself, he killed many of his own people (100 thousand + curds i beleive), it's very likely that he was developing WMD's. One scientist, captured from sadaam, said, that just before we bombed, he was burying and hiding weapons (something like that) or confessing to researching nuclear(sp) weapons..

Your facts are faulty.. I get my facts from the news, not from my government, i often read news from many other countries as well, how can the government control the internet?

I'm sorry, but i cant be fed propaganda, from my government, from another coutry can I?

A man that would kill his own people, and invade unsuspecting countries, is he worthy of being a leader any more? NO, and if your honkey dorey libral ass can't see that, you REALLY need to wake up and smell the fucking anthrax, because without our action, it's going to happen.

Yes, you have been fed propaganda. Do you really think you can believe the news? Do you really think the media is not influenced by the government or is at least republican biased? They are firing anyone who opposes the war, so how can you say that? They took the Dixie Chicks off the air just because they protested against the war.

How the hell do you know for sure that Iraq was harboring terrorists when not even Bush knows for sure. The CIA is considering doing an investigation to analyze the "millitary intelligence" that Bush used.

Funny that you should call me a liberal. I'm not actually a liberal, but I am anti-war. Until Bush usurped the presidency I was voting republican. But when Bush came along I just couldn't condone his stupidity and dishonesty.

They protested, at a concert, i believe, people paid to see them sing, not to have their oppinions shoved down their throat...

Where do you get the 'intelligence' that our 'intelligence' is wrong?

Your throwing and endless loop, and i already told you, i get most of my news on the internet, from various sources, mainly google.. 'google: war on iraq'

I did generalize, that, sorry, most anti-war are liberal hippies, of which i hate.

("God damn hippies, i hate them so much god DAMNIT I HATE EM" quote of the great Eric Cartman)

You are right that this was an unprofessional thing to do. I don't even like the Dixie chicks but the point I made is the same. They got taken off the air for this. Not because they were unprofessional at a concert, but because they are against the war. It seems clear that the reason why they were suppressed from the radio is so that they could not influence others with their views on the war.

The CIA felt that they had reason to question it. Even Bush is starting to admit that it was faulty. This 'intelligence' is just a gathering of speculation gathered from the few military personel in Iraq before the war. That's part of the problem with military 'intelligence': it's mainly speculation. As a former ROTC member, I know for the fact that this military intelligence is not even necessarily required to be based on fact at all.

I get my facts from governmental research by official US diplomats and professors at leading universities, because these are the people who really know what's going on. The "news" is not good enough.

My personal opinion before I read everyone elses opinion (which doesn't help much). I have to say it is the United States problem... What are we the dictator of every countries decision? Really people who cares what they do. It is their choice and if we say they are enemies because they choice not to fight then hell we have a lot of enemies!

About the oil thing. I have to disagree. We have plenty of oil... I don't know why people say it is because of the oil... Tell you the truth I think it is because of the fear. United States thinks of itself as a leader. We started the United Nations with Wilsons 14 point speach however the other Nations kind of took it the wrong way and created a United Nations of only Allied powers but droping Russia behind... But the United States was always known to want piece over war. As for the other countries since back then during World War one and two it was more about killing their "family" members and having ultimate power. The United States however wanted the ideals of peace but it always slapped in thier faces. Know or days the United States is becoming the agressive party... Which didn't surprise a lot of people because Bush and the Rebulican party is in power. So this war really happen because Bush wanted to finish what his father started... And he had reliable reasons to fight. It was just not so reliable for everyone else.

But as of know it is over. There is nothing we can do but get American soldiers out of Iraq. That is what we need to do. But does anyone actually listen and do the right thing... Hell no!

i think not!! gas prices hereare now about $2.50!!! dam we need that land!!

what makes the US a world power??
it is because the US put there foot down and said to themselves, hey, i have the power....at the time japan was a world power and went against US.....so when they his pearl harbor.....it was game over already!!
we hit them once...nothing
then we hit them a 2nd time.....surender
we hit them so hard that the radiation even killed there next generation, dam that was hard !!
but after that, we where known as a wold power!

sam with 9/11
we have to find who did it and show the world we mean busness, no one messes with us!!

saddam .......$25 million head
USAMA BIN LADEN........$25 million head

Gas has just reached 2.00 a gallon for premium here

Yeah I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons for the war was the need for oil. Damn shitty reason if you ask me. I know the Iraq war is technically over, but what I'm concerned about is the idea of attacking the surrounding countries as well. Rumsfeld has stated that he thinks the US should go after Iran as well, which is completely absurd.

Whats wrong with us going to war for oil, if we desparately need it? Sadaam is a horrible opressor and dictator, he should be out of power, even if he wasnt a threat to us, but he IS a threat to the surrounding countries (kuwait mainly)

Sadaam did the same to kuwait, but did he need it... no?

So apparently you think death is worth it. Hydrogen power is already being used in europe, we should just try to use hydrogen power instead of killing off a bunch of countries.

True. But I don't think it's our business to take him out of power. The US is not the police of the world.

So you're using that as a reason why we should as well? That's like us being the terrorists!

if its not our job to police the world of terrorism, then who will? some small tribe in africa named Poko Peke?
If anyone should we should.

The US is a Super Power, we felt threatened we will deal with it. Everyone in office has been some tight asses maybe its just bout time someone with balls comes into office. He does'nt take shit from anyone, u cross him your country=fucked.

If u saw ur neighbor who lives next door kill a innocent woman, what would u do? Pretend it never happened and ignore that u ever saw it? Or would u actually step up and do something.
May I add Saddam has done way more then kill innocent people..

The Cia and our government obviously knows something we do not about Iraq and Saddam and his fucking weapons.

So why dont u just let them do there fucking jobs

Well we are a conquering nation just like any other nation. We are all enemies in to ourself... Their is no right or wrong... Only mans beliefs that invade each other. But that is for another story.

The gas prices are up is because it was cheaper to buy from Iraq and middle eastern countries. Know the freaken idiots still stayed with the middle east even in the war for no reason. Their is enough oil and can be given cheaper price but they are to thick headed to do so!

Well the Iraqi war was way diffrent then the terriost war. Saddam in all truthfullness was not a "terriost" since he governed his own country. He is a dictator. A terriost ussually refers to anyone that is a radical and commits hatefull crimes that is not a goverment alliance. Hitler was a terriost then he bacame a ruler... And it goes on from there. Anyway the diffrence between this war and the terriost war is that it is faught for diffrent reason. Though people don't see it that way because of the closness of the two wars. But in reality they are diffrent. It can be about oil but that is not the number one thing.

Because this is a democracy. If you don't know what a democracy is, look it up. Our founding fathers gave their lives so that America would be run by and for its citizens. I can't believe Americans are not more pissed off that we haven't been given enough truthful information or say in what goes on for that matter. I am an American patriot and I have lost family to this war. I have made sacrifices that you don't understand. I love America as my country but I think our current government are terrorists themselves. They have committed acts of terrorism on the people of Iraq and they have committed acts of terrorism on their own citizens by sending them out to fight and die for reasons they aren't even aware of.

Here's something to consider. I know the twin towers was an act of injustice just like all mass killings. But if it had been done by an actual country and if they had actually declared war on us, would you still think it was terrorism? Really it's very similar to what we just did to Baghdad, except we were more organized (making formal declarations and stuff).

I am not stupid enough to try to change your mind by myself, but I will not stand by while ignorant people like you preach about what you don't understand. And yes, I can tell that you have no idea what you are talking about just by reading your post.

Terrorism and goverment affairs are two diffrent things. But anyway Terrorism refers to radical groups of people that committ crimes based on their beliefs. Goverment crimes down to other countries are totelly diffrent. Yes they can be consider terrorism to a certian degree but their is diffrent term that they use for this and I forget what that term was.

Anyway it depends how you see what the goverment is doing. If we knew all the facts I am sure most of us will have a second opinion on this but since the goverment is hush hush.... Then in reality we really have no say in this at all insept the fact that people hate war. Which is to me is an oxymoron since the whole point humanity is to take over and conquer. I seen people do it all the time even if it is not about war it is either about fighting over a girl friend or a play station game. This is just another human urge to fight. Like any other human being who gets stuck in a threatnining situation... They fight. However is it the right thing to do? It depends on your level of moralty which conflicts with your natural instincts many times.

Our country is run by its citizens, millions voted for Bush and he won the office. It's what our counties choice was, a vote by the people===democracy. If you claim our government are terrorist then wouldnt all the people who voted for Bush also be? We put him in his spot in office, and he is carrying out his duty. There are many things to balance the government to make sure that one side dont have more power. All starting when our first colonist came.

Limited government, in which power of the government was limited, not absolute.
Representative government, a government in which people elect delegates to make laws and conduct government.
Popular sovereignty--rule by the people.
Federalism, power is divided between national and state governments.
Seperation of powers, each branch has its responsibilities.
Checks and Balances, where each branch of government has some control over the others.
Limited Government meaning that the Constitution limits the actions of government by specifically listing powers it does and does not have.
etc etc..

I do know what I am talking about. The government all has certain jobs to do and carry out. The president does not make 100% of the decisions. Everything the President wants has to go through congress to be passed.

It all started when the people casted there votes. As for War, u need to take back ur shitty statement. "I have made sacrifices that you don't understand." My grandfather was in WWII. My uncle Robert was in Vietnam. My other uncle Alan was in Desert storm. Not to count my brother signing up with coast guard this past week. My great grandparents were also in wars. My family has been fighting its whole life to protect life for this country. So dont give me your shit that i dont understand. Your not the only person in the US who has lost someone!

Its a chain of cause and effect.

First of all, Bush did not get the popular vote and according to the latest counts he didn't even get the electoral vote. I know you're going to find a way to disagree with that, so I'm not even going to push the issue further because I'm tired of arguing with people who don't even have their information straight.

But even the people who voted for Bush could not have known what he and his ilk were going to inflict on the world, so no. The people are not terrorists. They only become terrorists when they encourage his acts of terrorism.

Telling you that you don't understand was not a wise thing to say, I will admit. I've lost family to each one of the wars that you mentioned as well, starting with my grandfather in WWII. However, I was talking specifically about this war, which is different.

http://www.ballot-access.org/2000/apportion.html

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/elecvotemap.htm

http://www.azstarnet.com/vote2000/

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/G00/El...lByRegion.html

looks to me like he did get the electoral vote......
the information there straight enough for ya to understand?

Who is in office as we speak? The voting is over now it means nothing now. Bush won, if there was a mistake it was made by the people who tallied the votes. Its not gona change now who is president, its already said and done...get over the election issues.

If the US really wanted Gore for pres then the votes shouldnt of been as close, and Gore just might have been. But the elections were close, and Bush came on top.

Oh you have so much faith in websites.