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R@t-_-FiNkZ 2003-01-13 01:27 PM

God - Devil
 
God? how many people actually belive in this figure that was set apon us just so that people can feel better about themselfs. Lies put into truth nothing here could be real, if jesus and god existed why do people die from accidents? it's all a lie, this is another factor why people make "gods" up so that they have someone to turn to when ever they mess up in thier lives. Honestly i don't believe in god or the devil, to me they are nothing more then fake charactors, nothing more then a book of lies. all of it is completly fake. tell me what you think about this? :fire:
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Thanatos 2003-01-13 01:37 PM

There's already been numerous threads about this.

Kingof2v1 2003-01-13 02:12 PM

http://www.zelaron.com/forums/showth...&threadid=7771

DaFrigginDoctah 2003-01-13 02:15 PM

Stop making threads like this.
If you want to discuss religion do it with someone you know and respect, do not just post it where any numbskull can reply.
My numbskull reply:
Atheist.
Now shut the fuck up and use the appropiate threads if you feel like being a dumbass.

slaynish 2003-01-13 04:03 PM

No, it's true, people die from accidents becuase their sins revolve, if you make a sin, you must be fully responsible for any action, It's sort of if you make a sin, it scars god from you'r sin, and its gods way of punishing you...

If people died in a shooting, it's gods way of punishing you, as if you just robbed a bank, and you die from a police, god is punishing you,

Thing to remeber, take note of you'r actions, they could be very bad somtimes.... So, when you get hit with a baseball, or somthing, dont blame it on the pitcher/batter, blame it on you'rself...

Hades-Knight 2003-01-13 04:11 PM

Humans have adored gods since the begining, its just human natura to think that there is a force greater than them

slaynish 2003-01-13 04:43 PM

yeah, but somtimes i wonder if hes real or not, or i just waste my time putting my hands together and saying a pray'r or anything, or if i feel down and talk to him(im crazy like that) am i just talking to myself...?

Hades-Knight 2003-01-13 06:38 PM

Yes your talking to yourself.

slaynish 2003-01-13 07:20 PM

Nice way of Putting it, but if there IS a god, i'd rather go to heaven, so not betta not take any chances =/

Grav 2003-01-13 07:34 PM

There's no god, and even if there was, you wouldn't be going to heaven, 'Tshirthell.com' boy

slaynish 2003-01-13 07:38 PM

^_^ Yes i would ^_^

Satoshi 2003-01-13 07:51 PM

Fat Bastard. I believe in god. Mainly because have you ever thought about where you will go when you die. I mean if you want to go to a burning lava underworld and be tortured? Be my guest. You will always remember though that Im looking upon you from Heaven on my cloud =P. :D

Grav 2003-01-13 08:08 PM

Weakminded imbeciles. There is no heaven. There is no hell. When you die, nothing happens. You're gone. What makes you so naive to think you still 'live' after death?

slaynish 2003-01-13 08:45 PM

Try to fool us with the way of you'r insolence(NO NOT YOU INSOLENCE)

Deep down, you'r just a disturbed little boy...

Silverjinx18 2003-01-13 09:42 PM

I'm so glad to see more help for God...that's rare these days...:) and if there's ever anyway I can help get you guys closer to God I will do my best just ask :)

DaFrigginDoctah 2003-01-13 11:33 PM

"I dont treasure my beliefs and I have no morals / ethics, so I will just SAY I believe in god, and if he does then I go to heaven yay! If he doesnt then no loss."
That's basically what you said Slaynish.
If there is one, I would rather burn in hell dying with what I believed in, than to be a phony to MYSELF all my life.
At least when I die I would die with some honor.

Jamesadin 2003-01-14 07:11 AM

Tortured for eternity? May I remind you people that eternity is one heck of a long time

Admiral_Jason 2003-01-14 08:31 AM

If God created everything, including Satan before he fell. What is to stop him from UN-making him? Your ass on god's shoe!

EX-Mania 2003-01-14 09:28 AM

ok... here's my theory... i'm god; end of story... na jk but my real theory about it:

God is a supernatural being with no shape or size, he's there just overlooking the world and seeing what he created, how was the world created? the big bang? what made that?... what created the cause of the big bang... and what created that?.. keep going back... if u say... no this got created by another thing, what was that other thing created by.. keep going back until u can't figure it out.

Christianity, Muslims and jews? who knows if their religions believe in the same thing but they all have their beliefs and all of which involve God, Allah, or Yahve which is the same person with a different name... and all the religions that i mentioned area ctually evolved versions of them with different prophets which heard the same words from god that the previous prophets heard.

How is this? coincidence? who knows.

Religion is also based on something else... it is based on having a stable society which gives peace to others and yourself if the others follow it... think about this, if everyone was a strong believer in religion; the world would be a great place.... but since alot of people don't believe in it they don't follow the rules of the religion. not saying god exists but if they believed it then the world=good.

Grav 2003-01-14 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slaynish
Try to fool us with the way of you'r insolence(NO NOT YOU INSOLENCE)

Deep down, you'r just a disturbed little boy...

I'm disturbed?

"FUNNEH JOKES LOL!!!!

MYC RAP IS POINTY LIKE A SPEAR"

Rurouni Storm 2003-01-14 10:15 AM

There is no heaven or hell, IMO. Then again, I am a Zen Buddhist.

crystiltormet 2003-01-14 12:12 PM

I do not believe in god because there has not ben enough proof to make me believe.

Titusfied 2003-01-14 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverjinx18
I'm so glad to see more help for God...that's rare these days...:) and if there's ever anyway I can help get you guys closer to God I will do my best just ask :)

I'll help em get closer to God too...

:Postal: :head: :hanged: :slice:

Mantralord 2003-01-14 12:41 PM

I believe in a supernatural power, whether it be a "god" or not, there probably is something beyond that gives us our "consciousness"

DaFrigginDoctah 2003-01-14 02:33 PM

If someone gives me undenyable rock hard proof he exists, sure I'll change my beliefs.
Until then I choose not to believe in a character that has existed before the cosmos and has magical powers.

Admiral_Jason 2003-01-14 03:29 PM

God exists. End of story.

Demosthenes 2003-01-14 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral_Jason
God exists. End of story.

prove it

Medieval Bob 2003-01-14 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
prove it

prove he doesn't

Demosthenes 2003-01-14 07:29 PM

What evidence do you have leading you to believe in an allmighty god...is it just a figment of your imagination or is it something you believe b/c ur parents told you. Or have you actually made a connection w/ a supernatural being. I just want 2 know why u believe in god and not something else since there isn't any hard evidence proving him 2 exist.

Medieval Bob 2003-01-14 07:31 PM

What evidence do you have leading you to believe there is no god... is it something you believe b/c ur parents told you there was no God? Or have you actually proof that nobody has ever talked w/ a supernatural being? I just want 2 know why u dont believe in God since there isn't any hard evidence priving him not 2 exist.

Demosthenes 2003-01-14 07:39 PM

I don't believe in god simple b/c there is no evidence. My parents believe in god first of all. It's like where did the whole idea of god come from. I mean it's as crazy as me sayin I believe that the Matrix is real or somethin...it's a complete random statement. I wasn't trying to downplay ne1's beliefs bob I'm just wondering why u believe in god. If your parents had never said nething about god would you still believe? Or if you grew up in a community where no1 had any idea about god and all of a sudden you came to a place where everyone was saying that god created us...and we all originated from adam and eve even though science and pure hard fact point otherwise and you have much more evidence backing the science theory than the religion theory. That's all I'm saying...how did the whole idea of a supreme being originate. Why would you believe in such a being and why not. The reason I don't believe in it is because to me it is just random...it's like some1 sayin somethin that's completely whack...but thats just me. I cant dissprove god but at the same time there is not much evidence pointing in that direction.

Silverjinx18 2003-01-14 07:44 PM

In the bible...in Revelations it gives us signs to tell us when He is coming like the wars that are happening right now... + it writes of how ppl saw Jesus rise from the tomb...and how He helped ppl see when they were blind and walk when they could not...if you went into a den w/ a few lions wouldn't you think they would eat you??? Well He kept Daniel from getting hurt in the den...there is proof everywhere...if you believe in God then He will give you manythings...He will prove it to you in many ways...that's why I believe because He's shown me that He is there....

Medieval Bob 2003-01-14 07:51 PM

I'm glad to have an intelligent comment.

My point of view. My parents don't go to church. They never took me to church. I went to church maybe.. 5 times with my grandparents when I was young. After that, I went to a Presbyterian church for about 3 months, then to a Baptist church for 4 months, then a Methodist church for a month. Now I go to Baptist church with my girlfriend. So, it has been my decision as for what to believe.

Science doesn't have any hard facts that point to the evolution theory. Think of the "missing link." The name implies that there is a link missing that proves the evolution of man.

True, I base my beliefs of God from what is in the Bible. That is the only way to get information on the subject. I choose biblical explinations over scientifical explinations. For example, in World History, we learned about when Moses parted the Red Sea, that the scientifical explination for the occurance is something about the tide being sporadic and coming in on the persuing army. This sounds more like an excuse than an explination to me. The man who was doing the work of God was aided by God it seems to me.

Silverjinx18 2003-01-14 08:04 PM

yeah and it seems that most scientific things don't usually happen right when you want them to...well this did... + there was his walking stick that turned into a snake and the death of the first born children...

Medieval Bob 2003-01-14 08:04 PM

I've always wanted a Moses Stick for Christmas.

DaFrigginDoctah 2003-01-14 09:14 PM

I'm not trying to push anyone to atheism, I am simply explaining my logic. I respect other people's beliefs even if I myself think they are wrong, I would never put anyone down for them.

If some joker who lived in a cave for 28 years wrote a hella long book about a magical creature with unlimited power and knowledge today, we'd call him crazy and lock him up.
So, why believe what he did back then?
Or, say if someone claimed to of turned water red, parted an ocean, or called a bunch of bugs down to kill people, what would you think of them?
What if I were to tell you something along the lines of:
I have foretold that a evil monster with 20, 000 arms, 10 eyes, and 1 leg will come to Earth and give us advanced medical techniques that can heal any and all illnesses in the universe... BUT only if you pray to him once a day for the rest of your life and have faith in him.
You would not be able to DISPROVE that theory would you?
What would you do?

Medieval Bob 2003-01-15 05:57 AM

There is a difference. In the case of the Bible, many people witnissed the events. Many people documented, thus the Bible not being written by one author. Most of the events in the Bible are not prophecies for the future, they are actual events that occured. The only prophecies in the Bible are about the return of Christ. People believe in those because the past events are true.

It's not that somebody claimed to turn water to blood, part an ocean, and call down a swarm of bugs. It happened. There were many, many witnesses.

Titusfied 2003-01-15 07:04 AM

Honestly, you guys are annoying, drop it...

Close this shit!

R@t-_-FiNkZ 2003-01-15 08:31 AM

titus, was the refering to me? i just started this topic up. i wanna be friends not enemies

Admiral_Jason 2003-01-15 08:35 AM

*hands titus a massive reaping Bazooka.


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