9/11 Conspiracy
 

Posted because The1 thinks the American government did it. Prove to me that they used explosives. Again, why wasn't there more debri and dust shot everywhere if they used so-called C-9s? You can't calculate the damage a Boeing 747 would do if it crashed into a a tower, and you can't calculate the temperature of the burning fuel accurately. Get over it, you're wrong, quit being a damn liberal bastard.

This really shouldn't be in History as much as it should be in Science, bud.

The only way I can reply to this thread is with this link.

Thanks, even though The1 keeps telling me that there is indisputable evidence.

KJ, sorry, couldn't find the conspiracy forum anymore. It could be argued that this is both Science and History.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT...elated&search=

We could argue for hours. The proof is a building of that size cant free fall 8.4 seconds... Especially pancake fall like that.. Ive seen big buildings on fire with higher heats then the twin towers were and they didnt fall for 2 days... explain please.

I wanted you to post this in the flame section then I could of roasted you legitally.. Ha anyways mang.. You got no proof that they didnt so I win end of story.

hay guyz did u noz that if u folded a 20 DOLLAR bill a surtan way u kan c the twin towrz on FIRE!!!

Go ahead and take it to the flame forum, I don't care. That video is complete bullshit. Did you know that China was behind E.Coli? OMG ZOMBIES!

Dude you go to church end of story... lol... anyone who beleives a guy can live to 600 year of age is idiotic. :eek:

Kamehamehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't mock the impending outbreak.

Come on be nice.... dbz is cool

This has been gone over.

You can estimate how much damage a 747 crashing into a building will do. You can also put an upper-limit to the burning temperature of kerosene, as well as a reasonable lower-limit.

I swear this was brought up recently but I can't remember what thread.

I have chain mail, so I am protected.

I believe it was MJ, I'll search for it.

Thanks.

I searched and only found these:

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....ghlight=9%2F11

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....ghlight=9%2F11

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....ghlight=9%2F11


Sorry if those don't help at all. I'm sure it was mentioned in a thread that went off topic. Those were the only things that came up when I search 9/11, but anyone could do that. Good luck in finding it.

I'm going to say what I said about the moon landing:

Skepticism is innocuous as long as it is recognized as skepticism. When it is preposterously exaggerated and asserted as fact without sufficient, or in some cases, any real evidence it ceases to be innocuous.

Your assertions aren't skepticism, the1, they're delusions.

I remember a thread like this along time ago, It just doesnt all add up... Ladon Family flown out the next day.. I just think the whole thing is fishy and all.. Honestly you can't proove me wrong about the 8.4 second free fall. Ask any engineer or designer of big buildings.

You should take a picture of yourself with your tinfoil hat on.

Pretty sure a massive fireball can burn through to the ground just as fast.

And it's Bin Ladin, get it right.

HOH=Hameed Ohmar Hasheesh. His initials.

Shhhhhh! Dominating America one forum at a time.

Was probably me, I usually just try and get a rise out of people, but honestly, you think the Bush Administration could plan something so elaborate? Didn't think so.. that's my only stand behind it, we can't even fucking get a correct war strategy to effectively eliminate our enemies while trying to accomplish a goal, it's as simple as that.

Well, seeing as there is a lot of conflict in our government, I doubt they could even come close to agreeing to this. Having 100% of your government plan to fuck you over? Yeah, maybe in some third-world country. Just look at the controversey over the Attorney General. I think planning to attack two large trade centers, the Pentagon, and potentially the White House would receive way more attention.


Oh, and in that video that The1 posted, there is a part about Israeli's being warned via instant message. Keep in mind that there was roughly 4 years between that video and the attacks; more than enough time to make up fake stories and roots.

The idea that you can put such a precise number for the fall time is ridiculous from the videos alone. The videos are never clear about how long the towers took to fall. Never that clear, anyway. And what is it we're measuring? The time it took the perimeter column to hit the ground? The debris cloud? There's way too much ambiguity in your claim to really be taken seriously.

That said, I have heard claims of the towers falling at anywhere from 8 seconds to 18 seconds. The 8 seconds is not really possible. Lets, once again, look at the math. Newtonian mechanics dictates a fall time of at least 9.2 seconds:

t=sqrt(2h/g)=sqrt(2[416]/9.81)=~9.2

Even if the government planned the fall, they can't change the laws of physics. An explosion is outwards. It would not cause the towers to have some initial velocity when they begin their fall. If anything the initial velocity would be upwards at an angle. This isn't even taking into account the resistance of the building (which would be relatively minimal) and air resistance.

If you want a more accurate time depiction for the fall, check out the seismic disturbances in NYC on 9/11.

http://www.ditrianum.org/Graphics/91...ic_records.jpg

Through careful interpretation of this data, it has been estimated that it took 11.3 +- 1.5 seconds for the towers to collapse. This is more believable as it doesn't defy physics.

And about your church claims, you can't prove that a guy didn't live for 600 years. Just as I can't prove that the towers didn't fall in 8.4 seconds. Except I can prove that they didn't fall in 8.4 seconds.

Who cares what his name is.. All im saying is the whole 911 is complete bullshit. Also the people in america or any country have no authority. We are little peons.. No one really cares about us. All they care about is power/greed and were to stupid to realize were fighting wars for no reason.

Aww. I was hoping he'd comment on my previous post.

Since was said earlier, does that mean we win now?

I find it strange that people take an event such as 9/11, and twist it to make It into some kind of conspiracy.

Why can people not be more like us English? The government was behind 7/7! Tony Blair planted the bombs himself! Lobbocks. Four fellas with backpacks. End of.

Well the states don't even have proof that it was Afganistan fault the 911 attack happened.. They had to blame someone and that had to be a place that was full of oil Afgan/Iraq. They made billions so who cares about about 200 hundred lives or more. But as I realize when watching micheal moore's video and seeing wut the president reacted like when he heard the news he didnt even really care. If it happened to me id rush out there and be so pissed off. I just think the whole thing was so fkn setup. Also why did all the camera's in the buildings and stuff been confiscated and all that ? Mabye if you find them they will tell the truth!

Most of the cameras were probably destroyed in the massive collpase. You're not the smartest person, are you.

I meant hotel buildings and stuff have camera's also you fucking idiot now shut up before you know ur shit. The pentagon was not hit by a plane either it was a missile. It's proven the plane that hit it supposely had no remains which is bs. Impossible that a plane of that size can miracously dissappear...

Temper, temper. You're not in the flame forum.

You're arguing with probably the smartest member at Zelaron, The1. You better have more to back up your statements than opinions.

Well explain how the building beside the twin towers collapsed also ??? please explain that!

Well, if you had any shred of communication skills you would have made clear what you meant instead of being equivocal about every damn thing.

And you have yet to respond to any of the science.

GG. Mj 1, The1 0.

Riiiight.

Forget the fact that millions of people actually saw the remains of the plane. We can explain that away as the media controlled by the government!!!

You belittle people for religious beliefs. Then you post this shit. You're a hypocrite.

I didn't know this was a hockey game ? you get points for your subliminal theory's ? Wow aren't we cool... "sigh' I hate just how sporadic the way you simple minded people think.

I just laugh someone goes to church and smokes marijuana... And doesnt beleive he's commiting a sin.. Even thoe it's against the law.

Troll 1, everyone else 0.

Can anyone explain how the hijackers got into the cockpits ?? I heard from many airplane facilitys that they dont allow anyone in.. and they carry a gun in the compartment.. So explain how the fuck did lil towel heads take over ???

You're the one who put it in the context of a game with your "I win end of story." You don't hockey? That's fine. We'll go basketball. The seismograph data was at least a 4 point play.

Mj 4, The1 0.

Don't like that either?

How about golf:

Mj -2, The +27 (clearly every one of your posts has been a triple bogey)

No? Suggest a different point system.

Actually, I could give a rats ass less about what the score is. What I was really trying to entice you to do was respond to the fucking evidence. Too dense to see that? Yea, just like I remember you.

For. The. Love. Of. God. QUIT USING WORDS YOU DON'T KNOW! My theory is in no way subliminal. It has been put out there in a very obvious way, and I have backed it with scientific data.

Again with terms we don't really know how to use. Nice.

You're making my job of making you look like a moron all the easier.

American law and divine law don't necessarily coincide.

How were the laws of physics changed to permit the heat from the burning jet fuel to fatally weaken buildings constructed of 150,000-200,000 tons of steel?


Why did the South tower collapse, since most of the jet fuel apparently was ignited in the fireball accompanying Flight 175s crash?


Why did the sections of both towers that were above the fires disintegrate as soon as they collapsed rather than landing as large blocks? (Both buildings collapse from top to bottom very similarly to what demolition experts call a “smooth wave.”)


Why did World Trade Center 7, which wasnt hit by an aircraft or falling debris, collapse at all? Apparently it is the first large building in history that completely disintegrated from a fire.


To add further fuel to the raging discussion, the WTC changed ownership just eleven weeks before the towers went down. In addition, we’ve been recently informed that key surveillance tapes and maintenance logs were destroyed in the disaster (link). Finally, the speed with which Controlled Demolition Inc. removed and shipped away the debris is drawing criticism. CDI is reportedly the same firm that also swiftly removed the debris from the Oklahoma City bombing.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...le/trou_en.htm

Which is to small to be a plane...

The1 - 7 / mj - sadly -3

You can't explain or doubt or question anything that you don't have more information on.