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!King_Amazon! 2006-12-21 05:17 PM

How exactly do you guzzle a pill?

Mantralord 2006-12-21 05:31 PM

same way yo momma guzzled my cum lol ghlrooaarrkdkazsgh

Grav 2006-12-21 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
How exactly do you guzzle a pill?

If you knew serious drug addicts, you'd know.

!King_Amazon! 2006-12-21 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
If you knew serious drug addicts, you'd know.

I'm living in the middle of mormonville USA, I doubt there is such a thing here. Then again, there could be.

Thanatos 2006-12-22 07:30 AM

Maybe if they just popped 'em constantly, that could count as "guzzling"...

Dubby 2006-12-23 10:21 AM

Definately for. The mother should always have this option - cause not just the baby's future is at stake. Plus, there's plenty more eggs to make another one later. I know if I was not absolutely sure about my future, I wouldn't want to bring a baby into an uncertain family.

Besides, I think this arguement is stupid. If the mother wants an abortion, okay. If she doesn't, that's okay too.

!King_Amazon! 2006-12-24 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubby
Definately for. The mother should always have this option - cause not just the baby's future is at stake.

The mother had the option of not getting pregnant in the first place, unless she was raped. The baby never had a choice, at all. There's always adoption if the baby's future looks absolutely horrible, but in almost every case, life will be better than death for a baby.

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Originally Posted by Dubby
Plus, there's plenty more eggs to make another one later.

Ok, so it would be alright if I killed you, since your mother could just have another baby, right? That's a pretty fucking stupid argument, try again.

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Originally Posted by Dubby
I know if I was not absolutely sure about my future, I wouldn't want to bring a baby into an uncertain family.

Well, if you were unsure about your future, you should not have gotten pregnant, but there are always accidents. In those cases, there's adoption. Like I stated before, most of the time life would be better than death for the baby.

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Originally Posted by Dubby
Besides, I think this arguement is stupid. If the mother wants an abortion, okay. If she doesn't, that's okay too.

That's your opinion. I find it kind of ironic that you say the argument is stupid and then you come right out and state your opinion.

Demosthenes 2006-12-24 12:24 PM

I have to agree with KA on those points, Dubby.

Dubby 2006-12-24 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by !King_Amazon!
The mother had the option of not getting pregnant in the first place, unless she was raped. The baby never had a choice, at all. There's always adoption if the baby's future looks absolutely horrible, but in almost every case, life will be better than death for a baby.

Ok, so it would be alright if I killed you, since your mother could just have another baby, right? That's a pretty fucking stupid argument, try again.


1: That's her choice.

2: No that would not be right. Time, and age are a huge factor. Duh. You're talking like everyone is equal, no matter what their age, origin, race, heritage, or otherwise. While idealistic, that sure as heck isn't true about the real world. People, animals, lifeforms, are dying and being born constantly. Abortion is not a big deal. Hey if a person wants to commit genetic suicide by never having kids, that is *their* choice, not mine, and not yours or anyone else's. If they want to adopt, that's their choice too. The exact same thing goes for abortion as well. Of course if *YOU'RE* having the kid, and its *YOUR* baby, then by GOD yes you have a right to make the decision. Maybe you should be more concerned about things like poaching, or fur farms, or over harvesting of fish and animals then a whether a human fetus lives or dies. Are you going to go as far as to say its murder when a woman has her period and passes the egg? Or when a guy jacks off? The whole debate is so amazingly self centered. It's *their* choice dammit. I am most CERTAINLY not saying never pay attention to EVERYTHING, ANYONE does, so don't you dare try and bring this there.

Demosthenes 2006-12-24 01:15 PM

Yes, it's their baby and their body, but it's not their life that they are ending by aborting the fetus. As for your ovulation/masturbation argument, please read my post on the previous page.

Dubby 2006-12-24 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
Yes, it's their baby and their body, but it's not their life that they are ending by aborting the fetus. As for your ovulation/masturbation argument, please read my post on the previous page.

Genes are in every lifeform on this planet, intelligence is not. I weigh the "moral" value of an organism in its current ntelligence, not its genetics.

Demosthenes 2006-12-24 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubby
Genes are in every lifeform on this planet, intelligence is not. I weigh the "moral" value of an organism in its current ntelligence, not its genetics.

I have more to say than what I'm going to post here on that comment, but newborn babies, by that standard, should have no value to their parents whatsoever, certainly less value than a monkey or a dog.

Anyways, I need to shop for christmas gifts. Be back to post more in a few.

Grav 2006-12-24 06:10 PM

Wow, I'm almost stunned by the rather narrow minded stance most of you are taking on this issue. My bottom line is nobody should have any impact on the decision except the actual parents, so no legislature should disallow the option.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed in you guys.

Dubby 2006-12-24 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
Wow, I'm almost stunned by the rather narrow minded stance most of you are taking on this issue. My bottom line is nobody should have any impact on the decision except the actual parents, so no legislature should disallow the option.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed in you guys.

That is also my bottom line. That is their (or her if there is no partner) decision, and only theirs. Not mine, not yours, not the governments or the doctors, or anyone elses'.

Demosthenes 2006-12-25 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
Wow, I'm almost stunned by the rather narrow minded stance most of you are taking on this issue. My bottom line is nobody should have any impact on the decision except the actual parents, so no legislature should disallow the option.

When it comes to life or death, I'll admit, I'm rather narrow-minded.

Grav 2006-12-25 01:12 AM

Is there some life experience you had that leads you to feel that way about it? Not asking condescendingly, I am just genuinely curious.

Demosthenes 2006-12-25 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
Is there some life experience you had that leads you to feel that way about it? Not asking condescendingly, I am just genuinely curious.

There have been certain instances with uncles and aunts, however, I don't think they are a major factor in my stance.

Whether or not I'm for legally prohibiting abortion, I'm not sure. Like I said, if my girlfriend were to get pregnant, I'm not sure how I'd feel about the situation. I am, however, from a moral standpoint against it.

Grav 2006-12-25 01:21 AM

Pregnancy scares are downright frightening. All rational thinking is blown out the window for a time.

I can't imagine what a kid on the way is like when your life isn't in order.

HandOfHeaven 2006-12-25 04:09 PM

Against.

!King_Amazon! 2006-12-25 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubby
Genes are in every lifeform on this planet, intelligence is not. I weigh the "moral" value of an organism in its current ntelligence, not its genetics.

So it should be alright to kill retarded people then, right?


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