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KagomJack 2003-12-10 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja
Yes, it is often refered to as *delusion*

That's what "highly educated" people will call it. I will say this once. In the end, men will scoff and say "What God? There is no God." and then they will scoff "THe end has not yet come, I see no end to come." Pity them and pray for their souls.

Dan XIII 2003-12-11 08:30 AM

I don't really know whether to believe in god.I have had a pretty good life but I do believe that something created life.What I don't believe in is heaven or hell although heaven is supposed to be a great vacation spot.

RoboticSilence 2003-12-11 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by KagomJack
God's divine intervention happens to be a friend or an aquaintance.

I have no idea what this means.

Kuja 2003-12-11 09:18 AM

It mean that ppl will beleive that when in need it will be god that will send some sort of subconcious messege to a friend or aquaintance to help you...
Like i said.
Delusion.

Tai 2003-12-11 09:41 AM

*Yawn* It's not like we stand alone on this. The greatest minds the human race has created agree as well.

sh0e 2003-12-11 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja
Your the one that just made no sense. Come on, tell me some of those evidence that will look like
"I didnt had a meal in days and there he was! Jesus! Riding Santa sleig! After my joyful moment he threw me a bread and said enjoy."

maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
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Originally Posted by merriam-webster on evidence
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence

is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?
is not stigmata and the words of the pope "evidence" to christians?
are not the prayers of millions of people around the world and the faith of the christians as a whole "evidence" to the christians?
you do realize that evidence does not necessarily have to be definitive nor even true for that matter?
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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
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Originally Posted by sh0e
how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves

yea...seriously that made no sense

maybe i need to make it more clear for you with an example
if i were to say that you are a retard because you have no "proof" that you are not a retard
how would i make "logical" sense unless i have "proof" myself that you are a retard?
thus it is self-contradictory:
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Originally Posted by merriam-webster on self-contradictory
: consisting of two contradictory members or parts


Penny_Bags 2003-12-11 02:37 PM

First of all, I am not overly religious AT ALL.

Second, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON ANSWERED MY QUESTION. (okay, maybe like two)

Demosthenes 2003-12-11 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sh0e

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
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Originally Posted by sh0e
how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves

yea...seriously that made no sense

maybe i need to make it more clear for you with an example
if i were to say that you are a retard because you have no "proof" that you are not a retard
how would i make "logical" sense unless i have "proof" myself that you are a retard?
thus it is self-contradictory:
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Originally Posted by merriam-webster on self-contradictory
: consisting of two contradictory members or parts


well...u just proved my point...it's just as logical to say that there is no god as to say there is a god because neither side has proof...

btw...is it illogical to say that the power-rangers dont exist?

no...it's perfectly logical to say the power-rangers dont exist...but I can not prove to you that they dont exist

Senesia 2003-12-11 03:11 PM

As people have stated, none.

But first you will have to define what a "God" is. Do you mean the Christian God? Or just a Perfect Being? Or the Creator of this world? Or just a more superior being (than human)?

Kuja 2003-12-11 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sh0e
maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
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Originally Posted by merriam-webster on evidence
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence

is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?

If i wrote a book saying that what you just said was stupid. Would it be an evidence or my opinion ? It's not because something is written that it is something that been proven.
What your doing right now is twisting meanings of word to fit what you want.

Demosthenes 2003-12-11 03:28 PM

Yea...thats crazy...there's about 1000 different religions that have many "holy scriptures" copntaining "the word of god". You deffinetly can't say that one book is better than the other...there is no proof...in fact there is no proof whatsoever that any of them are right. People wrote down crazy things back then anyways.

Kuja 2003-12-11 03:31 PM

When i used to read disney book when i was young i knew it wasnt true. With the bible, well it's the same kind of story. Man with power that are not normal like living for a huge amount of years, super strength, possiblity to dupe food and get ppl drunk with water.

sh0e 2003-12-11 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuja
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Originally Posted by sh0e
maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
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Originally Posted by merriam-webster on evidence
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence

is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?

If i wrote a book saying that what you just said was stupid. Would it be an evidence or my opinion ? It's not because something is written that it is something that been proven.
What your doing right now is twisting meanings of word to fit what you want.

yes it could be USED as evidence
you could come to me and tell me that what i said was stupid and use the book and what it contains as evidence
but this would be severely flawed because of the amount of bias that would be involved

and maybe you should reread the definition that i have given you for evidence.. i would be greatly obliged if you would enlighten me to where it says that evidence must be "proven"
unless you would like to dispute the definition provided by merriam-webster

Kuja 2003-12-11 05:20 PM

Do you even realise what you are saying ? Your saying that i could send you to jail just by writing in a book that you are a murderer. Stop twisting the diffinition of "evidence"...

Demosthenes 2003-12-11 05:30 PM

umm...for the love of god...OFCOURSE EVIDENCE MUSE BE PROVEN What the hell else is evidence?

EVIDENCE: To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove.



www.dictionary.com

look it up if u dont believe me

!King_Amazon! 2003-12-11 05:32 PM

Evidence is used to prove something.

RoboticSilence 2003-12-11 06:41 PM

Right... the definition of evidence is not proof... it's something used to prove. Just because there is evidence doesn't mean there is sufficient evidence to justify proof.

Tai 2003-12-11 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
Yea...thats crazy...there's about 1000 different religions that have many "holy scriptures" copntaining "the word of god". You deffinetly can't say that one book is better than the other...there is no proof...in fact there is no proof whatsoever that any of them are right. People wrote down crazy things back then anyways.

That's because its a social mechanism built into the brain to keep people working more effeciently. The reason there are so many different beliefs and religions is because everyone has it, and not everyone thinks the same, and not everyone has grown up in the same environment. People come to their OWN beliefs, and that makes them happy. You people who argue that others are wrong and they're "going to hell" are bigots.

Adrenachrome 2003-12-12 12:50 PM

It's not about a god for me, It's spirituality, I do not believe in spirits, period..

I don't hate on the religious, but I do believe religion (spelling...) is for the weak minded, who cannot live their lives on their own, without a higher direction, or accept simple explanations for the things that happen around them.


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