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Demosthenes 2010-04-06 06:57 PM

Ahh, yes. The lesser known "No Child's Behind Left" program.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KagomJack (Post 687582)
I did. I was a Catholic apologist. It all made sense some how.

I think I remember that.

Skurai 2010-04-06 07:17 PM

I was a Wiccan when I first joined. Boy... looking back, I'm pretty sure there was something wrong with me. And everyone I knew. Then again, there still is, kinda.

So, as long as he's on the throne, what the Pharope says goes, huh? Psh! Rediculous. So, any updates on the current status of this thing, or is it all the same, at the moment?

D3V 2010-04-07 10:06 AM

It's been brushed under the rug. Lol, nothing is going to happen and the Pope isn't going to step down, it would damage the 'reputation' of the church too much. Something about willful ignorance just makes me sick.

Skurai 2010-04-07 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D3V (Post 687606)
'reputation'

"Too late"?

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-07 11:18 PM

The illusion of the "supremecy" of the "Church" (the one in question right now being the Catholic church, but this applies to most really) isn't really a new thing. Take for instance Duo Sunt, a letter written in 494 AD by Pope Gelasius I to Emperor Anastasius I (The Emperor of the Roman Empire at the time.) It basically defines Church and State as being separate, with State's power being granted "from Heaven" and with Church being the greater of the two. It also firmly established the doctrine of sovereign immunity, essentially stating that the church can do no wrong. And by "do no wrong" they mean that anything they do is right, essentially they are infallible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Gelasius I
There are two powers, august Emperor, by which this world is chiefly ruled, namely, the sacred authority of the priests and the royal power. Of these that of the priests is the more weighty, since they have to render an account for even the kings of men in the divine judgment. You are also aware, dear son, that while you are permitted honorably to rule over human kind, yet in things divine you bow your head humbly before the leaders of the clergy and await from their hands the means of your salvation. In the reception and proper disposition of the heavenly mysteries you recognize that you should be subordinate rather than superior to the religious order, and that in these matters you depend on their judgment rather than wish to force them to follow your will.

If the ministers of religion, recognizing the supremacy granted you from heaven in matters affecting the public order, obey your laws, lest otherwise they might obstruct the course of secular affairs by irrelevant considerations, with what readiness should you not yield them obedience to whom is assigned the dispensing of the sacred mysteries of religion. Accordingly, just as there is no slight danger m the case of the priests if they refrain from speaking when the service of the divinity requires, so there is no little risk for those who disdain - which God forbid -when they should obey. And if it is fitting that the hearts of the faithful should submit to all priests in general who properly administer divine affairs, how much the more is obedience due to the bishop of that see which the Most High ordained to be above ,ill others, and which is consequently dutifully honored by the devotion of the whole Church.



Sources/Further Reading:

Medieval Sourcebook: Gelasius I on Spiritual and Temporal Power

Duo sunt

Sovereign immunity

D3V 2010-04-08 01:59 PM

BORKED

Go Roseanne!

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-08 07:07 PM

Roseanne is one of my favorite people, actually. And I've seen every episode of her show at least thrice. I don't know if I necessarily agree with all of her statements (like how twice as many girls are molested as boys) but I'm not saying she's necessarily wrong either. I'd need to see some numbers.

Regardless, a molestation is a molestation. Does it really matter? The bastards need to be hung by the testes over a pool of acid, followed by a round or two into the testes as necessary to make them fall. And Heaven help them if they survive.

Skurai 2010-04-08 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !King_Amazon! (Post 687626)
And Hell have their way with them if they survive.

I think this version better.

D3V 2010-04-09 08:57 AM

Quote:

And Heaven help them if they survive.
At this point, they'd really need to be saved.. lol

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-09 11:30 AM

I'm gonna revise it to instead of "a round or two" the kid/kids who were molested get one of those automatic BB guns they have at fairs and such where you try to shoot out the star, and they try to shoot down the priest with it.

KagomJack 2010-04-09 12:41 PM

You sound like me. I absolutely love her and I miss watching her show.

Skurai 2010-04-09 10:08 PM

Why BB guns? You guys sure do want to take it easy on these priests. Don't tell me you sympathize with them?

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-10 10:27 AM

How many times do you think you'd have to get shot in the nads to be shot down, in that scenario? A BB gun doesn't generally do a ton of damage, but it hurts like a mother fucker. And kids usually have pretty bad aim too so it might take a while.

Mdselctr 2010-04-10 04:37 PM

Meh. The weak people and oversocialized types once
again control the perspective behind the news, and
of your mind.

Skurai 2010-04-10 09:35 PM

This is why I celebrate Mdselctmas.


Though, I guess you're right about that, K_A. The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised at all, if the guy ended up doing it again, even after that. People usually tend to... not "learn their lesson". Really. I have an uncle who'd been to jail, like, 10 times over the same shit.
Honestly, if they wanted to molest a small boy, just get married to a midget. :o

Grav 2010-04-11 11:03 AM

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...al/panda-print

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-11 01:28 PM

ROFLMAO.

srsly

S2 AM 2010-04-11 11:49 PM

Hey panda bear! We don't take kindly to your types around here.

Classic

:EDIT:
Oh it's actually pedobear lol - just gotta look close.

D3V 2010-04-12 08:34 AM

http://static.timesofmalta.com/media...856-loc_25.jpg

blasphemous, and hilarious.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/11/...ex.html?hpt=T2

Quote:

Bishops: Bill would allow old cases with lost evidence, faded memories

Connecticut's Catholic bishops ask parishioners to oppose bill

Bill would rescind statute of limitations on child sexual abuse cases

Older claimants would need to show substantial proof that they were abused

Skurai 2010-04-12 07:24 PM

Proof? Umm... prove that they aren't abused! (Witch Hunt method ftw)

D3V 2010-04-13 09:01 AM

Did you hear Glenn Beck raped and murdured a young girl in 1990? Oh yeah, can't prove that he didn't!

Mdselctr 2010-04-13 11:57 AM

You are depicting a minor in a sexual situation
(with an adult) who is later murdered...

Skurai 2010-04-13 09:12 PM

Are you turned on?

D3V 2010-04-14 09:20 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...ex.html?hpt=T2

Gay outrage over Cardinal's child abuse comment

Quote:


-Gay rights groups outraged over Cardinal's comment linking homosexuality and pedophilia

-Catholic Church at center of child abuse allegations dating back decades

-Vatican published new summary of procedures on sexual abuse cases Monday

-Atheist calls for pope to be arrested for crimes against humanity


Skurai 2010-04-14 09:04 PM

"Athiest" calls for it. Hah.
I don't really care who calls for it and what they believe in. I personally think everyone should be calling for it. Unfortunately, in a world were atheism is in the way of religion, all the religious are too afraid to sort out the problems. I don't blame what the Pope did on atheism, I blame the weakness of people to stop the Pope on atheism. I especially blame Mdselctr.

D3V 2010-04-15 04:25 PM

If the Pope would just come clean, throw out those involved and stop the corruption people wouldn't be giving them so many problems. The fact that they are still and consistently sweeping this all under the rug is where the problem lies. LIES I TELL YOU

Skurai 2010-04-15 07:49 PM

Exactly. I'm considering becoming Catholic so I can run for Pope, later, and fix these problems myself. :/

!King_Amazon! 2010-04-15 07:55 PM

The problem is, the Pope himself is at the core of the problem. He spent decades overseeing how cases were handled and allowed the crap to continue. He's just as guilty as the priests themselves and he knows it, which is why he is now trying to pass the buck to "Christians" in general rather than him and his corrupt buddies.

Skurai 2010-04-15 07:58 PM

Lighten the blow on themselves by spreading it all over, huh? Disgusting, but that sounds about right. Looks like it might be working.

D3V 2010-06-25 11:13 AM

SO.. the vatican was raided?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...claims/?hpt=T2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10417102.stm

!King_Amazon! 2010-06-25 03:18 PM

http://www.libcov.org/devotions/bria...Good-title.gif

Skurai 2010-06-25 04:08 PM

...In bed.

D3V 2010-07-06 03:18 PM

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/0...ations/?hpt=T2


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