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Sovereign 2004-05-13 03:37 PM

Tourtured, then slaugtered, please.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/...uscivilian.htm


It seems like that is a better video of the decapitation. And there is a little story about it too.

-Spector- 2004-05-13 03:41 PM

fuck 'em alll...blow them all to hell with some nice shiney nukes

Jamesadin 2004-05-13 04:12 PM

1 American decapitated which is videotaped.

Thousands of Iraqis killed, not videotaped.

Which is worse?

Sovereign 2004-05-13 04:22 PM

1 American Being decapitated on video.

The US, during bombing campaines, doesnt PLAN on killing innocents. Shit happens and they die, oh well. My condolences ect ect blah blah blah...

Now, take a guy who is putting up COMMUNICATION DEVICES. He was trying to HELP these people. He get kidnapped. They take him and decapitate him with a knife blade. A KNIFE BLADE. Not some large axe, but a knife blade. Do you have any idea how much terror must have been going through him as he probably garggled on his own blood, nearing the end of his life? (assuming that he was still alive during this time...again conspiracy theories...). Then on top of that, video taping it, What the hell was the point of this? All it did was proove to me that these muslim terrorist shits are low enough to kill innocent human beings. All it did was make me want to bomb the LIVING FUCK out of that god damn country, and kill all the terrorists at all cost. One american death on me has a lot more impact then 1000 iraqi deaths.

Call me sick, sadistic, whatever. I dont care. I want these terrorists exterminated, and at all costs.

Demosthenes 2004-05-13 04:28 PM

Most of the Iraqis hate us. That bothers me. If they don't want our help, then I feel like we are being imperialistic by carrying out this operation.

Sovereign 2004-05-13 04:32 PM

edit- Nvm....

Neko 2004-05-13 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesadin
1 American decapitated which is videotaped.

Thousands of Iraqis killed, not videotaped.

Which is worse?

Are we counting the countless tens of thousands that died unfairly during Saddam's regime?

Demosthenes 2004-05-13 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neko
Are we counting the countless tens of thousands that died unfairly during Saddam's regime?

Tens of thousands die unfairly all the time. Saddam has gassed his own people, but exactly what did he do in recent time to spark a war. Also, if Saddam is gassing his own people, and we are supposedly helping them, then why the fuck do they hate us? There have been numerous interviews with iraqis which translate into something like "We hated Saddam, but we hate America more." That honestly makes me question if we are helping them or not.

badboy 2004-05-13 07:41 PM

All these links you people put up have completely false and liberalist attitudes. I can't believe you people believe the shit about it not being real or its Rush Limbaugh's fault or some shit. That's completely retarded.

Titusfied 2004-05-13 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesadin
1 American decapitated which is videotaped.

Thousands of Iraqis killed, not videotaped.

Which is worse?

Like Neko said before I got to this thread, I'm assuming you are talking about the civilians killed during war, a.k.a. Colateral Damage. But without assuming anything, I could also take that comment to go with the mass genocide from Sadaam on the Iraqi's.

I'd say mass genocide is worse.

Demosthenes 2004-05-13 07:49 PM

Off topic kind of: Does anyone have any links or numbers to exactly how many people were killed by Saddam due to the gassings, or due to other terrorist-like activities?

Titusfied 2004-05-13 08:06 PM

Hmm, that would be an interesting number, but I can't seem to find any official documentation on it. Then again, I looked for a total of 3 minutes..

D3V 2004-05-13 10:13 PM

If we are killing the iraqis, And we don't really care too much who die, WHY THE HELL DID WE TAKE OUT SADDAM? I mean he was honestly doing the work for us.

And ontopic, that video disgusts me, not the fact that its a decapitation, but that its an innocent person, being killed. The people around him enjoying it, thats sickening.

Acer 2004-05-13 10:51 PM

Saddam killed innocent people, even if they like us or not it isnt right. The reason Saddam was killed is because he had oil, I mean "weapons"

Demosthenes 2004-05-14 05:31 AM

Yea, but America has done things that aren't right either. If some other country were to come in and overthrow our government, we wouldn't like it much either.

Raziel 2004-05-14 05:38 AM

There was a short comic miniseries released back in either '95 or '96, by DC's Vertigo company. It was called The Unknown Soldier. One of the most prominent quotes that the Soldier spoke was "if this is what America must fight, then anything, everything we must do to stop it is justified."

Right this second, I can't express how much I agree with that sentiment.

Demosthenes 2004-05-14 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raziel
There was a short comic miniseries released back in either '95 or '96, by DC's Vertigo company. It was called The Unknown Soldier. One of the most prominent quotes that the Soldier spoke was "if this is what America must fight, then anything, everything we must do to stop it is justified."

Right this second, I can't express how much I agree with that sentiment.

I disagree with the very nature of that statement. Let us take a hypothetical situation, and say we decided to nuke the hell out of Iraq. Justify that to me.

Jamesadin 2004-05-14 02:32 PM

Oh well, I will always be against the war in Iraq, and I am glad that Jean Cretien made the right choice.

D3V 2004-05-14 02:37 PM

What I don't understand is what we're doing over there? ...

Ok, the origional reason that we went to Iraq was because we were being threatened by the Weapons of Mass Destruction. Ok, the UN Doesn't approve, the rest of the world doesn't want us to go to war, but whatever, we do it anyways. Fine.

The UN Has a search, spends about a month there, doesn't find shit. We still in war. STILL Haven't found anything.

Even if the objective was to get Saddam out of Iraq, we have done that. What we should do now is retreat, and pull all of our troops out, and let them elect who they want to, and if we don't like them, we can go in there and assassinate them again..

Sovereign 2004-05-14 02:47 PM

You send a bunch of asshats to meet their beloved allah.

Id say go for it. Use small nuclear wepons in tacticle strikes.

Anywhere that is bombed will be radioactive for the next few thousand years. It will do one of a few things. It will kill any of those sand treading animals that are within the immediate area from either radiation posioning, a slow and painful death, or from the actual blast.

The US wont nuke a heavily populated civialian area. So "hundreds or thousands of civilian deaths" more then likely will not occur. If a few people, or even a few hundred die, tough shit. This is war. This isnt some daisy swapping convention. There will be death. There will be casualties everywhere. It is unfourtunate. Oh well.

The mass killings of these terrorists will acomplish a few things. Any not so strong willed assholes will more then likely quit, or turn themselves in or whatever. I dont know what their stance on surrender is. If not, then our troops will just have a lot less gunfire to worry about.

Sovereign 2004-05-14 02:48 PM

I dont clearly know why were still there either, but the troops are still there. We must do everything to keep them safe. At least, if i had the power, i would do anything.

Jamesadin 2004-05-14 03:32 PM

I wonder if Bush is gonna pull the troops out before the election..

Sovereign 2004-05-14 03:43 PM

He probably thinks he stands a chance to get re-elected. So no, he wont.

Tyrannicide 2004-05-14 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign
He probably thinks he stands a chance to get re-elected. So no, he wont.

That;s cause he is an ignorant dumbass american. Politicians ruin Country reputations.

Demosthenes 2004-05-14 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sovereign

The US wont nuke a heavily populated civialian area. So "hundreds or thousands of civilian deaths" more then likely will not occur.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I would still like to know on what basis we have the right to attack other countries because they believe differently than we do. And on top of it, I would like to know exactly what number of Saddam's own people were gassed at his hands. I've searched for a while, but I can't find anything.

Sovereign 2004-05-14 04:47 PM

.....

You know damn well i am talking about current day.... In the time of Hiroshima, the us was the ONLY country with nuclear capabilities. Noone would dare hit the US back. Now, there are at least 8 countries with with Nuclear capabilities. The united states wont start nuking innocent civilians because it will piss those other countries off. Piss them off enough, and bam. Hello armageddon. Its like saying "OH, brittain had a queen that decapitated people for no reason, just because she ddint like them, so the current queen of england will do the same. They did it once, so they will do it again". NOpe, try again.

Grav 2004-05-14 04:54 PM

Saddam killed tens of thousands of Kurds, but not to the levels of Stalin and Hitler, to be sure.

Demosthenes 2004-05-14 04:55 PM

That is pretty recent, historically. Either way, human nature doesn't change. If Bush get pissed off enough, it can happen. And don't tell me you don't know what the reprecussions of a nuclear holocaust would mean. Nuclear war is unacceptable, in any case.

HandOfHeaven 2004-05-14 05:20 PM

Nuclear War=The end of the world. I know this may seem like a joke, but if we do fire a nuke or 10 I am betting we have 10 times as many coming back. Nuclear radiation=global warming=icecaps melting=us dying in huge flood.

Acer 2004-05-14 09:35 PM

If you get offended with ease dont click this...

http://grrrr.entensity.net/051404/fl...h=subzero2.swf

As much as I feel bad for him, that is funny

-Spector- 2004-05-14 09:42 PM

how is it funny you sick piece of shit
whoever put that bush picture there deserves to get his nuts cut off, and then get decapitated with a butter knife

HandOfHeaven 2004-05-14 09:45 PM

How about cut his nuts off with the butter knife? Holy shit, the Sub-Zero was sort of "meh" (not apropriate) and the bush just pushed it. That was soo fucking retarded, whoever made that will burn in the lowest depths of hell.

Sovereign 2004-05-14 09:51 PM

Wow, i laughed at that lol.

But it was still wrong -_-

Arbitus 2004-05-14 10:45 PM

My stomach hurt after I watched it.

Acer 2004-05-14 11:37 PM

Your such a fucking moron... it has nothing to do with the guy dying that made me laugh... its the fact that someone came up with that... and the bush part was the best part

stop being panzies

badboy 2004-05-14 11:40 PM

Why don't you crack addicts get a more appropriate view on reality. If we just move up and get out of Iraq then probably some other Dictator would just take over. If we want to get rid of these holy wars, were going to have to get rid of all the terrorists, and if that means turn those people from their gay ass religion then so be it. At least things will be better for the future. Oh, and for your information, their religion is based on a guy who got people high and hide up in the mountains and pillaged the travelers and had superiority over the women they fucked.

kaos 2004-05-14 11:52 PM

I say we introduce them to marijuana.

Raziel 2004-05-15 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
I disagree with the very nature of that statement. Let us take a hypothetical situation, and say we decided to nuke the hell out of Iraq. Justify that to me.

I said "right this second." It was an emotionally-charged response after seeing just a little bit of that video. Obviously, there are logical flaws with the notion, but it was the first thing that came to my mind upon winessing that, and I decided to share the sentiment with the forum.

Acer 2004-05-15 12:31 PM

What does that have to do with my post?

NonGayMan 2004-05-15 02:49 PM

I heard the U.S. has Satellites that can shoot "lasers" that can destroy nukes so we shouldn't have a problem.


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