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Coriander 2008-05-27 11:06 PM

Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.

!King_Amazon! 2008-05-27 11:18 PM

Actually, once you reach Enlightenment, you basically are in a higher plane of existance, if I remember right.

Anyway, you're thinking of "God" as a human-like being that has emotions and such. What if "God" is just a being that works with no intentions for anything or any sort of care about anything. Basically, God does what he wants on a whim. Or maybe he works like a machine, where he simply just does something.

You're defining a "God" as basically an overseer or something. Why couldn't a "God" just be an entity?

Coriander 2008-05-27 11:22 PM

I'm defining God by how I would expect a God to act, Which means I could(and most likely am.) Be wrong. He could be an Entity with no emotion and No Caring. He most likely would be an Entity. I use the Christian Version of God because I'm not educated on how the Other Religions percieve their God. If the Christian God is the true god, and had no Emotions or Caring, then why would he send his son to earth to cleanse us of our sin?

KagomJack 2008-05-28 06:19 AM

He'd send his son to the earth to cleanse us of our sins to give us false hope.

D3V 2008-05-28 07:11 AM

I'm sure God has an excellent sense of humor.

Demosthenes 2008-05-28 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Coriander
Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.

Coriander, what makes you think we're "his people." I mean, we occupy a tiny fraction on a pale blue dot which goes around a normal sized star which is not even seen as a spec of light from a distance. Maybe life was just an afterthought to him/her/it. A nice piece of decoration...

Coriander 2008-05-28 07:43 AM

Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.

Demosthenes 2008-05-28 07:46 AM

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Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.

But there are an uncountable number of galaxies out there. What makes you think that ours has any sort of privilege.

Coriander 2008-05-28 07:48 AM

Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.

Demosthenes 2008-05-28 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Coriander
Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.

What would possess him to do that? We harm every other living thing we get our hands on!

D3V 2008-05-28 08:01 AM

There is this thing in religion we call "Free Will".

Coriander 2008-05-28 08:10 AM

So Why hasn't he done something about that?

Demosthenes 2008-05-28 08:15 AM

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So Why hasn't he done something about that?

Because he's imaginary?

Coriander 2008-05-28 08:16 AM

In my opinion, That's the reason.

Demosthenes 2008-05-28 08:21 AM

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In my opinion, That's the reason.

But to play Devil's Advocate (literally) and take a deistic approach to this, it may be because he's simply indifferent to life.

Coriander 2008-05-28 08:25 AM

Possibly.

It could also mean He abandoned us.

It could Also mean He is there, just only affecting the people he wants to.

It could mean he simply doesn't care.

Lenny 2008-05-28 08:45 AM

As D3V says, it's the "Free Will" argument.

Let's say that a God does exist. And let's say that this God did indeed create Man. Now, two choices face this God after creating man - does he control man and make them do all that the God wants, or does the God give Man free will to do as they please?

If the God lends a hand here and there, then poof goes free will.


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