Abstinance is always an option, unless they are raped.

Next.

You guys surprise me by being so conservative on this issue while being so liberal with others...

I'm gonna have to say in support of especially in the case of rape. I really don't see the need to bring an unwanted baby into the world to single parents. I think it should be the couple's decision, but if the mother decides to have the kid against the father's will then she forfeits child support. The same doesn't apply that the father can have the kid against the mother's will because obviously that's her body and nine months of her life. Things should be decided as couple. I think there was a really long thread about this topic already... so look it up if you're feeling curious.

If the condom breaks, and you wind up with a child, sue.

i'm for abortion; theres too much traffic on the way to school as it is

I am actually for abortion, every women should be able to make her own decision. Outside of the couple, I don't think anyone should be able to tell them what to do, or limit their choices.

Pro-choice.

If the person has been raped, or what not mother is in danger or the kid will have some kind of like aids or crack dependancey, or the parents cant afford and the kid will starve, im all for

otherwise, i dont care... i wont say im against just say its not my choice

adoption

I think what most people worry about is, "Is it a human and can we kill it?"

My opinion is that it is living, but not human. Pretty much all embryos look alike...gills, tail, w/e When the ebryo grows, the features dissapear or shrink. So I think it's kinda like a basic animal. We kill cows, so why not basic animals?

Any time you masturbate, use contraceptives, don't have a baby when you're on your period, etc. you're stopping a potential human life from being formed. Do we feel guilty for that? No. It's just some nasty shit that we wash off =P. It really depends on your definition of when a zygote, cells, or fetus is a baby. At some point in time there's a state of being nasty shit and at another point it's a human. Everyone's definition varies (or point where it's nasty shit/human) so that's why it should be pro-choice. Partial birth abortions should be banned though imo. It's definitely murder.

I think it depends on the situation.

If a person is raped, and does not take the pill, they should be allowed to have an abortion. I also think that the world is getting over populated.

On the other hand, it is basically murder, and if you aren't ready for a baby, you shouldn't be having sex anyway.

I'm so sick of that adoption bullshit. Thats hardly a solution to childcare. You think every kid put up for adoption gets some great family where they're not being rapped or beaten? Or every kid even gets a family period? Nope.
"Adoption of children in foster care, is on the rise. About 130,000 of the 540,000 children in foster care nationwide are waiting to be adopted. About 50,000 a year actually get adopted, says Carol Emig of the Pew Commission on Children in Foster Care."

Willkill is back!

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If you don't like adoption then stop making babies and not taking care of them k.

el oh el, KA, your post always make me laugh.

i was rapped by a black man and beaten by an olympic runner (also black)

Who wants to adopt? You're gonna get a kid who is (most likely) genetically predetermined to fail. Harsh yet true.

Based on the content of my posts throughout my history at Zelaron, surely many people know that my political views lie mainly on the left. In my “My Objection to Religion” post, I stated that in general only the religious right opposes abortion. You might find it surprising, then, to see me vote against abortion, since my posts clearly demonstrate that I am an atheist, perhaps even an anti-theist. I would like to clarify why I voted against abortion.

Christians tend to believe that life begins at conception because at the moment of fertilization God gives the zygote a “soul,” for the lack of a better word. Putting aside my contempt for supernatural beliefs, those who truly believe in the Bible are entirely justified in their opposition to abortion. For instance, the following passage from the Bible shows that God values the embryo:

God commands that people punish anyone who causes a miscarriage.

Though I have reached the same conclusion as Christians in this particular case, it is not because I believe in a soul. On the contrary, it is because I don’t believe in a soul. Though I have come to a right-winged conclusion, it is because of rather secular beliefs.

As to my knowledge, a human being’s genetic makeup is conclusively formed at conception. Short of outside influences or a natural disaster that zygote will inexorably become a fully developed, living, breathing, cognizant human being. Ending this embryo ends the life which will inevitably follow, akin to murder in my book. I have no moral objection to abortion when the baby is a potent threat to the mother’s life or well-being, as there is a great risk of losing a life either way.

You can not, however, apply this same logic to masturbation as many pro-choice people like to assert. A human can not form from a sperm cell alone. Even during sexual intercourse it is highly improbable that any particular sperm cell will fertilize an egg. The difference between a zygote and a sperm cell is that the zygote will become a human whereas the sperm cell will not with the exception of a highly improbable scenario.

That said, I realize the benefits of abortions. Sex is a natural part of human activity and should be enjoyed. The threat of impregnation will always exist despite the increasing efficacy of contraceptives. It is not fair that what is otherwise a relatively innocuous expression of love between a couple could become the biggest mistake of their life. Abortion seems to be the only valid solution. If I were to impregnate a girl before I am ready for a child, I would seriously hope that she and I could sit down and talk about it and consider her having an abortion. I acknowledge that this may make me seem somewhat capricious; however, you may consider something immoral yet see and harness its practicality.

However I digress. The practicality of abortions is not what I wanted to discuss. I only wanted your opinions on whether abortions are moral or immoral.

Am I for a woman’s right to choose? Yes, when it does not impede on a greater right. I consider the right to life to supersede a woman’s right to choose. It is somewhat saddening to see how little worth we hold on human life. It is even more saddening that I am beginning to open up to this view.

That was pretty fucking deep. Go MJ.

there's also a chance the fetus will die in the womb, or grow up to kill someone, or worse yet, be a retarded mediocre dumbass right smack in the middle of the bell curve like 70% of everyone else. do i really need another spiteful scumbag overworked lowlife mediocre daytime retail manager cutting me off in his dark blue honda civic with his tinted windows while playing "Riding Dirty" as loud as he can through his shitty Best Buy speakers? do i really need another pill-guzzling white trash spewing arrogant soccer mom with a degree in "liberal arts" counting her change at publix while i sit there with a cold gallon of milk freezing my hand off while glancing over at the entertainment magazines and seeing the shit sacking exploiters of democracy getting rich off their ivory tower socialite talent?


no, so better to kill them early