okay this is going to sound kind of dumb but what is the silver xbox live membership?

The thing with Nintendo is that they made a few lovable characters "back in the day" and now they are just replaying those same characters over and over. They don't have much more than that, other than childish games. Nintendo seems to only appeal to ages 3-8, then around 18-30. I'll be the first to admit that I'm going to buy the next generation Nintendo console just to play Zelda, Mario, Castlevania(possibly), Kirby, and Metroid, in that order.

the Xbox wire is long enough as of now... if you need it longer then you have penis security issues

It'll be membership to Xbox live (play the games online), but special membership I'd expect.

Taken from http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox-360/per.../613233p1.html.

What are you talking about now? You're confusing little old Lenny... :(

i was just being sarcastic... just saying, some people want wireless so they aren't bound by the length of the Wire, but the xbox wire is 9 foot i beleive and that is far enough. I've never had one problem, and if i did, i'd just got by the extender.

Im not a fan of this wireless controller idea really

9 feet?!

Extender?!

Why on earth would you need a wirelss controller, let alone think it's a bad idea!

I'm assuming that is an RPG getting some decent acclaim?

How did you guess?! :rolleyes:

http://games.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1...s-IV-Oblivion/

You must be able to read SYG like a book!

Damnit, "Games" is filtered at my work.. I'll check it out later.

That's basically the whole article.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Look how many Crash Bandicoot games Sony pumped out over the lifespan of both Playstations. Ratchet & Clank, by the end of this year most likely, will have seen four entries in five years. Same with Jak and Daxter. GTA has been pumping out sequels, special editions and so forth since 2001. Resident Evil has seen an unbelievable number of sequels since it's inception in the mid-90's. And, of course, let's not forget SEGA and their undying servitude to Sonic and his arsenal of titles.

Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Nintendo keeps making Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Star Fox games because they sell. However, what you ignore about each franchise is the fact that no game is a carbon-copy doppleganger of the entry before it. The 2D Mario games single handedly resurrected the console videogame industry from the brink of death, while the 3D entries have both given birth to the realm of true 3D gaming (Mario 64) and have refined and tailored what a 3D platformer should be (Mario Sunshine). The Zelda games as well have done their fair share of innovating. Ocarina of Time brought with it the lock-on camera, auto-jump, and many of the 3D action/adventure standards still used by current-day games. Metroid Prime did what many thought was impossible, by transferring the near-perfect experience of a game like Super Metroid not only into 3D, but into first person as well.

Yes, Nintendo continues to rely on franchises that are 20 years old. However, give GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Halo and Resident Evil another ten years and just see if they're not still around. On top of that, regardless of the fact that you can be guaranteed Mario will star in at least one game every single year, it's never the same game as last time. His definition as a videogame character is pushed, altered and refined with each new title he stars in. Sonic cannot say the same.

To criticize Nintendo for doing something that both of their competitors are also actively engaged in, and will no doubt continue to do as long as they dominate the market, is asinine. Nintendo continues making Mario, Zelda and Metroid games because they sell. It's ridiculous to criticize them for doing exactly what Sony and Microsoft do and will continue to do just because Nintendo has been doing it longer.

God I hate Nintendo... there characters for lack of a better word are gay. Also Im damn sure video games would still be here in full force even if there never was a Mario game. I want more original titles with all new worlds, characters, storylines and gameplay. Thats why I am addicted to Guild Wars right now.

Mario Party fucking rocks... end of story

Get back to playing Live and keep yer mouth shut!

Not a chance. Atari firmly rooted the public concept of videogames being trite, pointless and juvenile with the 2600 and 5800 systems. If it hadn't been for Nintendo, they would have continued to be seen in that light and would have died in the mid-80's. Nintendo turned a throwaway timewaster into a bonafide industry. Nobody else cared enough to try and revive videogames after Atari so spectacularly fucked them up. If it hadn't been for the Big N, videogames would be a dead laughable fad, like Pogs.

Sure, because every RPG plotline ever made hasn't already been done, right? Oh, and Halo's "evil aliens attack the world" plot is completely new and original too, huh? Spare me.

And I'm sure they really feel the sting when you say it, too. You keep crusading against a company that doesn't even know you exist, and I'll keep playing Zelda games. Deal?

i do need to play Live!! im always bored and i forget it have Halo2!

Let's agree to... agree?

Raziel you're an idiot, I never said I didn't like Nintendo I was nearly stating how they do it. If you read the last sentence(I'm sure it got tough half-way through) It said that I was going to buy the next generation console to play the adventures of my favorite Nintendo characters. I also agree with your view of Sonic games. They're really all the same, and their shots at 3D are just... ::shudders::

As much as I liked the NES, you couldn't be more wrong with your bold statement about the NES being the father of all video games. That's just, for lack of a better word, retarded. Games are inherent in people, and with the development of computers and people having loads of free time, games were an inevitable evolutionary branch of computer technology.

MAYBE the NES was the father of console games, but that's still a very looooong shot.

Oh ya and since you wanna knock HALO, and at the same time talk about innovation. You know what, nevermind, you probably stopped reading this post halfway through because your head hurt.

Oooh, you've done it now.

You might not have heard the quote yet, but arguing with Raziel is like: "A cripple slapping a cruise missile". Guess who is who.

Edit:

Just found the thread that that quote comes from...man alive, was I a jerk back then...http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....40&#post453575 We thank Slim for the timeless phrase btw.

You've just given Raz an oppurtinty to vent his anger and frustrtaion which would be directed at D3V if he wasn't banned. And he was banned a few months ago. That's a lot of anger and frustration needing to be released.

Did I make attacks? Did I call you names? All I did was provide a counterpoint to your statements, schmuck. Don't get snippy with me.

Please, by all means direct me to the place where I accused you of doing so, putz.

I was merely providing a counterpoint to your opinions. Loosen those trousers, Gilligan.

I never said that the NES was the father of all videogames. That would be the Magnavox Oddyssey. The NES saved the videogames industry from certain death at Atari's misguided hands. The majority of the videogame press agrees with me, butt-stain.

Sure, games are inherent in people. However, the fact remains that console videogames could very well have become the electronic equivalent of professional roller derby these days. Nobody watches the sport, but it still exists. That was the path that console gaming was heading toward before Nintendo made the industry into a viable presence.

And stop drawing parallels between PC games and console games. I never said Nintendo saved the entire electronic game industry. I said they saved the console industry. There's a big diference, skippy.

The NES was the savior of console games. I never said father. Stop taking my words out of context.

I'm not knocking Halo anymore than I am knocking Zelda and it's tried and true "save the Princess" rountine in every single game. Halo did not create the "alien menace attacks the world" device, therefore Halo is not a pioneering bastion of innovative story. That's not a bad thing, but for SYG to try and claim that all Nintendo does is rehash old crap while Microsoft and Sony do nothing but excrete pure, creative gold is a load of absolute malarkey.

Let me summarize this post with the following:

SIMMER DOWN, FUCK-PUP.

Nobody here said that Nintendo is the be-all end-all of videogame genius. Nobody said that Nintendo is the father of electronic gaming. Nobody has said that everything Nintendo does is pure gold while everything any other company does is sheer, unbridled crap. Nobody except you, that is.

You are taking my statements so far out of context that the distance between the truth and your perception of the truth would require the use of Astronomical Units to properly measure. You assume that I'm attacking you, whereas in reality, I'm simply providing an alternate view of your statements. You assume that I'm lionizing Nintendo and demonizing everyboy else, whereas in reality, I'm simply stating a few positive-note observations about their accomplishments. You assume that I'm championing Nintendo games as being at the forefront of innovation and creativity, while Sony and Microsoft games stand with their thumbs up their asses, waiting for the next big trend. In reality, I am simply equalizing the playing field by saying that all parties do their fair share of innovating and rehashing. The only difference is that Nintendo has been doing it longer.

All of these assumptions are wrong. I have said nothing to indicate any of these ridiculous charges you level against me. You're fighting against an argument that doesn't exist, pal. You appear to truly be itching for a fight, and if that's what you're lookin' for, you'd better find some substantially more solid ground to do it from. Taking my statements completely out of context, putting words into my mouth and just generally being a soggy douche from the moment the starter pistol fires is not the way to earn a foothold in a discussion.

Take a deep breath and have yourself a dose of Midol, crampy. You're in desperate need of a break.

To put it simply, Lenny, I'm not afraid of vented anger from little girls.

Where to start, where to start. I mean I could do the same thing you seem to like to do. Take snippets from other people's arguments, and defile them. For talking about context you certainly are a hypocritical one.


Of course, of course.


Well I thought "VideoGames" was pretty much the equivelant of "Electronic Games". You sure got me here, though. I mean when we factor in the counting Skip-it, Giga-Pets, Tickle-me Elmo, and your battery operated Barbie car, "Electronic Games" really does take on a much broader view.


You don't have to call someone Shit, to call them Shitty.


Now it's Console Videogames. I'm not so sure, but if I were you, I would have edited my post so I didn't look like a jackass.


Oh yes, I'm way out of line.


I could do this all day because you're posts are full of contradictions. You want to dissect other people's good word to blow them completely out of proportion and context. I believe I left most of your futile arguing in context. I really added nothing whatsoever, you practically shot yourself in the foot this time. It's unfortunate because most arguments in REAL LIFE consist of people saying their parts, and then they go back and forth. However, arguing with someone as childish as you ineptly consists of picking through someone elses' posts like a vulture and arguing over exact wording and such. You Raziel, not me, are the one who takes peoples' statements out of context and puts words in other peoples' mouths. For the record, I was fighting nothing and noone. Let me remind you that you're the one who brought out the gloves.

In all fairness, there's no point in arguing with someone as childish as yourself. You've made no good points. Your argument is meaningless. You're so far up Nintendo's ass that you can't even give them a reach-around anymore. You're a dejected and pathetic person. I won't baby you Raziel, so go home to your mommy, maybe she'll put up with your crap.