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Grav 2004-10-04 06:20 PM

Because you're black.

Demosthenes 2004-10-04 06:21 PM

Which makes me the greatest.

Grav 2004-10-04 06:22 PM

It makes you the poorest. Besides KR and DFD, that is.

Demosthenes 2004-10-04 06:25 PM

Ahaha. Compared to the pictures of the house you posted? Plus, I think Timmay1113 will vouch for me, BUT I'M RICH BEEEYITCH!

kockblocker1 2004-10-04 06:35 PM

I wasn’t exactly clear with the point I was trying to make. What I meant to say was that to be a good “basketball player” you need to be a true basketball player. The type of player that does everthing (i.e. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Me, whatever). Rodman was actually a very good basketball player in college and his first year or two in the NBA. I believe he actually averaged something like mid20s PPG in college. Towards the end of his carrier he totally gave up on the rest of the game and focused on defense and rebounding. This actually made him better at those things because that was ALL he did. That was all the Bulls wanted and that is what they got. This however does not fit my description of a good basketball player. You won’t ever hear me say he was not one of the best if not the best rebounder in the game. He was great at what he did; it’s just that there is more to basketball than rebounding and defense.

I actually think that in a way he may have been a great addition to the Heat lineup. They have enough scorers and passers. In my opinion they could use a specialist rebounder/defender/fouler. They, on the other hand, do not need an ego bigger than Shaq or the NBA itself on the squad. Rodman is way more trouble that he is worth. I subscribe to the theory that to win championships you need not only great players but also great team chemistry. There is no greater example of this than last years LA Lakers. I really don’t want to see a remake of that situation with the Heat. It’s not good for the organization and it tarnishes basketball as a whole.

Grav 2004-10-04 06:35 PM

Which means you're white.

Thanatos 2004-10-04 08:43 PM

Rodman couldn't score. In order to win basketball games, you need to put the basketball through the hoop. He couldn't do that. End of story; Rodman was not a good basketball player.

MightyJoe 2004-10-05 09:43 PM

So Ben Wallace isn't a good basketball player?

Thanatos 2004-10-07 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyJoe
So Ben Wallace isn't a good basketball player?

No, he's not a good basketball player. He's good on defense and a great rebounder. That's 2 of the fundamentals of basketball. Now, MJ.. that's an example of a good basketball player.

MightyJoe 2004-10-07 02:18 PM

2 out of 3 ain't shabby.

Demosthenes 2004-10-07 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kockblocker1
I wasn’t exactly clear with the point I was trying to make. What I meant to say was that to be a good “basketball player” you need to be a true basketball player. The type of player that does everthing (i.e. Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Me, whatever). Rodman was actually a very good basketball player in college and his first year or two in the NBA. I believe he actually averaged something like mid20s PPG in college. Towards the end of his carrier he totally gave up on the rest of the game and focused on defense and rebounding. This actually made him better at those things because that was ALL he did. That was all the Bulls wanted and that is what they got. This however does not fit my description of a good basketball player. You won’t ever hear me say he was not one of the best if not the best rebounder in the game. He was great at what he did; it’s just that there is more to basketball than rebounding and defense.

I actually think that in a way he may have been a great addition to the Heat lineup. They have enough scorers and passers. In my opinion they could use a specialist rebounder/defender/fouler. They, on the other hand, do not need an ego bigger than Shaq or the NBA itself on the squad. Rodman is way more trouble that he is worth. I subscribe to the theory that to win championships you need not only great players but also great team chemistry. There is no greater example of this than last years LA Lakers. I really don’t want to see a remake of that situation with the Heat. It’s not good for the organization and it tarnishes basketball as a whole.

You don't necessarily have to score to be a good basketball player, in my opinion. For example, Jason Kidd is not an extravagant scorer, but he's a hell of a basketball player. Same with John Stockton. Shaq is a great scorer, but he isn't the greatest all-around basketball player to ever play the game. Regardless, I consider him the best basketball player in the league currently. Not the most dominant; the best.

What do I base my opinion on? Well, in my opinion, if you can win the MVP in the NBA then you certainly are a good basketball player, regardless of whether you can do everything or not. Shaq will get his team wins. If you can do that, then you're a good basketball player, because in the end that's what it's really about. It's not whether or not your style is snazzy, what matters is if you can get the win. You could have the ugliest style, score 5 ppg, and still be a great basketball player and an invaluble asset to your team. That's my definition of a good basketball player. If your team is winning thanks to you, then you're a good basketball player.

When we think of the Detroit Pistons, we think of the whole team. There's not really one single superstar. But see what happens if you take Ben Wallace off of that team. I would be willing to bet all my money that the Pistons would not have won the championship. Wallace is invaluble to the Pistons, and most likely to any other team that could pick him up. This, in my definition, makes Ben Wallace a great basketball player. Apply the same thing to Dennis Rodman. Would the Bulls have won their last 2 championships without Rodman? Most probably, but what about Detroit in '89 and '90? It's possible, but I doubt it. Back then, Rodman was a damn good basketball player, and he wasn't this arrogant son-of-a-bitch that he's become today. He was a good basketball player.

Grav 2004-10-07 04:00 PM

That was a whole lot of blabbing for something nobody cares about.

Demosthenes 2004-10-07 04:06 PM

Well, I can always go back to my old way of posting if it pleases you, Grav.

Grav 2004-10-07 04:11 PM

I would just ignore your posts, like I do now.

Demosthenes 2004-10-07 04:13 PM

Which is why you've posted ten times in this thread so far...

Grav 2004-10-07 04:14 PM

Are the wizards even a team?

Demosthenes 2004-10-07 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GravitonSurge
Are the wizards even a team?

Yea ...

kockblocker1 2004-10-07 04:33 PM

I actually agree with everything you have said. Being a great basketball player doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be the best at every single aspect of basketball. Jordan and Magic sure wern't, they made their teams better and they won games, I think that is a big part of what makes them good.

Thanatos 2004-10-07 08:13 PM

Jordan and Magic were pretty damn close to being perfect at every aspect..

Grav 2004-10-07 08:14 PM

Magic reminds me of Harry Potter, which reminds me of killing you.


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