that is if they are killing on purpose right?

i don't believe 420% ccsq is best

i dueled a 160/40 40/10 08 gaze 40/10 storm 3.5k hp druid with a 415% ccsq and he lost horribly.

i know the "average" damage is higher but it doesn't hit at those top damages from my experience

Ya, if they kill your spirit on purpose...
It's bad to use Oak heal on purpose.

About the CCSoQ, I do see your point. It sucks when it hits the min dmg. And the Initial frame is slower than the CPBoQ. (I think CCSoQ is 7/4/4/4/4? or...? I think it's alright vs pally, since pally swing at 8/4/4/4/4. Maybe having one as a backup isn't a bad idea. Personally I don't like the dmg of CPBQ...hehe. But anyway...it's just personal preference. )

Also, I don't like 40/10min. I like higher avg, and usually I'm lucky and won't hit the lowest dmg :P

I've seen people using two hander Werewolves, and did pretty well. Most pallies died in 1-2 fury...... That WW uses a CTMoQ. 380%ed 70%ias (Both non-blue) swinging at ~9/5/5/5/5.
He said he does 8k max and have 6k life for melee duel...

but paladins can also, Easily get 8/4 zeal and eth and 300+dmg weapon : D

the ctmoq he was lucky he didn't get locked with a slower weapon like that

only 8k damage? i can do nearly 13k with a weapon like that and still have 5.1k hp : /

Wearing an 08 valor with 40/15max for druid good? If i decide to wear an 08 i can go for more stre thus giving me more dmg and also good amount of life like 3.5k ir more. What are your opinions about 08 valor and 160/60?

I think you'd only need the same str since you're going to use Stormshield. Unless you want your base to be 165. 08 valor isn't bad, but youl'll be doing less dmg. For wolves I guess 08 valor with 40/15, but for a bear I'd go with 160/60 with life/fhr (if i need fhr) instead. The low dmg of robo phase blade...err.
If you want more life for you WW, go Oak and 08 Valor. I prefer more damage, however.

actually...

its the other way around ed/max/life fhr is better for wolf and valor is a better choice on a bear due to inherent defense bonuses, makes bears hard to hit by non-eth weapon using oppoenents.

the basic ed/max setup will give you better damage than 08 valor with robo phase because strength doesn't add alot of damage due to low base damage on robo phase.

The really why I don't like Valor on a bear is because...
Aww, Fury weapon, LoLoEth, LoEth, and ya... ^_^
with the Eth bug fixed Valor would be nice for bear. I'm getting a Zodded eth valor...09 for the druid.

That's what I said, or what I failed to get across ^_^

And I said I prefer more dmg on WW, so I usually go Ed/Max over Valor~ It's not totally the other way around~

"For wolves I guess 08 valor with 40/15, but for a bear I'd go with 160/60 with life/fhr (if i need fhr) instead"

yes hitting even a Wolf with 08 valor lvl 95+ is tough.
for druid v druid in wolf form i usually use cad/cmsq/cpoq rather than robo phase. mostly because my enemies don't have eth and i'll need the most possible leech i can get, so i put on a higher damage wpn opposed to something that might get a few more hits in, but is less likely to put enemy into hit recovery animation

valor works on bear for dueling other wolves, especially non-eth using wolves (90%+) because they can easily get 7000 defense..

Very true ^_^

Most Wolves have ~15k+ AR.

Chance to Hit for Melee Attacks: 100 * AR / (AR + DR) * 2 * alvl / (alvl + dlvl)

Assuming both char at lv 95, wolves with 15k ar, bear with 7k def.

Chance to hit = 100x 15000/(15000+7000)*2*95/(95+95) = 68.18%

Assuming both char at lv 95, wolves with 20k ar, bear with 7k def.

Chance to hit = 100x 20000/(20000+7000)*2*95/(95+95) = 74.07%

And Less hit = less dmg = less life leech = faster death for the wolf ^_^

i just ran the test and i only have about 20% chance to hit a lvl 99 valor wolf with 2500 def/after the 1/4th chance to hit because of blocking....err

nevermind now that i think of it, chance to hit comes before chance to block

the computer decides if your attack will hit, then it rolls to see if you block..
so i have 81% chance to hit lvl 99 ww valor druid : / i have near 17k ar

I have found that Gris Caddy weapon isnt doing me well speed is 8/4/4/4/4 ? I was thinking of making a superior 6 socketed Zerker axe with 4x40/15ias and 2 shaels, is this weapon good? tell me your thoughts about this?

Griswold's Redemption Caduceus should do 4fpa Fury if you socket 3x 40/15ias jewels.
Base speed: -10, and 40% ias. with 3x ed/ias,
it will have 95% WIAS.

The Zerker is nice.
Berserker Axe:
24-71 Dmg
Range 3
Base speed 0

You'll need 95% WIAS, which can be achieved by 4x 40/15ias + 2x Shael (100% IAS) for 5fpa Fury.
A superior 15% Zerker after socketing will do:
(4x 40)+15 = 175% ED
(min+1)x(1+1.75) = 68
(max+1)x(1+1.75) = 198
68 - 198 Dmg, 133 avg.

What's my thought on the axe...?
Well if you have one, you will make me jealous ^_^

that weapon isn't as good as it could be :~)

5 40/15+shael with ed/ias is

78-226 damage

and 152 average damage