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Adrenachrome 2002-12-30 07:08 PM

lol

!King_Amazon! 2002-12-30 11:41 PM

lol

Titusfied 2002-12-31 06:06 AM

Rofl, I hope that's Sweden under that bomb... ;)

Anyway, I've never heard such garbage come from people's mouths that bad mouth Bush and proclaim that him using Nukes on Iraq is the biggest threat. Bush would NEVER seriously contemplate using any of our nuclear capabilities unless it was first used on the American people. Not only are the bombs used at Nagasaki and Hiroshima miniscule in destruction damage to what we have now, we can launch hundreds of them off at any target in the world and hit the tip of it on a friggin dime we took aim at!

Nuclear weapons and their capabilities are used for intimidation factors and preventing wars at this moment in time, and will continue to have that role. Unless, (1) if some sick fuck like Saddam doesn't cooperate with UN inspectors and let them inspect and disable all their weapontry, or (2) some stupid nation, like N.K., try to make advances to their weapons of mass destruction under the world's nose, with the thought of one day making the drastic mistake of using those weapons.

Bush isn't doing anything a good leader of any Nation in the world wouldn't do. If you had the authority he has, and could use it to prevent mass casualties, wouldn't you do everything in your power to help prevent the inevitable?

Chruser 2002-12-31 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Titusfied
Not only are the bombs used at Nagasaki and Hiroshima miniscule in destruction damage to what we have now, we can launch hundreds of them off at any target in the world and hit the tip of it on a friggin dime we took aim at!

Nuclear weapons and their capabilities are used for intimidation factors and preventing wars at this moment in time, and will continue to have that role.

But what if you didn't know who attacked you? What if the subway attack came true, and no country or terrorist organization wanted to claim the responsibility of the attack? There is any way any sane leader would bomb countries at random without having any proof of who did the attack.

Titusfied 2002-12-31 06:46 AM

That is true, but only for an initial time period. With all the technology and forensics possible in the world today, it would not be forever that whoever did it would stay safe with our ignorance of the situation.

Strider Fury 2002-12-31 06:00 PM

ever heard of something called the Bush's 'shoot first, ask later' policy?

Tuff 2003-01-01 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Titusfied
I don't believe North Korea has the capabilites to launch a TBM at the U.S.A., but rather only at its neighboring Countries. U.S., Russia, Great Britain, France, and Japan (Not sure, maybe China) are the only nations in the world with that capability. Other nations have Nuclear threats, but not very effective means to carry out those threats.

North Korea cannot launch a nuke from there to here, no. China and Russia are the only ones capable who have a remote chance of doing it.

Tuff 2003-01-01 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chruser
I recall seeing a show on Discovery over a year ago about terrorism, including various biological and nuclear threats. It turns out that in Russia has "lost" several "suitcase nukes" about five years ago. They are about the size of a backpack, loaded with 1 Mton of fission power (the same as the atom bombs used to attack Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Imagine if someone took a subway train to Washington D.C. from far away, set the timer to one hour and then left the train about one hour before its arrival, leaving the backpack behind. How often do you really think people check out forgotten backpacks on trains while they're moving? Not very often.

You read up on this stuff. Nice.

By 1988 The U.S.S.R. had twice the amount of Nukes as the U.S., to the tune of almost 50 thousand. Russia is now broke. Their military is a skeleton of what it was during the peak of the Cold War. The Nukes are poorly maintained, the troops guarding them under funded, understaffed, and undersupplied. With the mafia element now in Russia and the utter poverty of even it's best soldiers, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that some nukes are missing, and more will be in the future.

Where are they?

Well, Iran likely has some. Iraq possibly does as well. China and Pakistan are other countries who potentially have some of them too.

Only one country in the history of mandkind has ever used a nuclear weapon in an act of war - US.

I feel WOMD (weapon of mass destruction) will be used again someday, by the year 2020 actually. Pakistan is the leading candidate in my opinion to use one, and probably on India. However, I would not rule out someone using one on us, by setting up another station in either Canada, Cuba again or somewhere else nearby.

JohnnyTAE 2003-01-01 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuff

I feel WOMD (weapon of mass destruction) will be used again someday, by the year 2020 actually. Pakistan is the leading candidate in my opinion to use one, and probably on India. However, I would not rule out someone using one on us, by setting up another station in either Canada, Cuba again or somewhere else nearby.

the way things are going now a days I wouldn't doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Strider Fury
ever heard of something called the Bush's 'shoot first, ask later' policy?

You know that isn't what you're mad at, as soon as Bush is gone what will be your excuse too hate Americans then? I am sure you never even met an American or even thought for a while about what place exactly America has in this world. You are just more negativeness that has subsided in so many places around the world too create a bad name for us. So what America has done some fucked up shit, Not a country too date has kept a clean name, But atleast we try and make others lifes better. We may not be Jesus but we have played our roles in making this world a better place one of which has kept your country safe and secure while others might have prayed upon it. Just think back a while and imagine what the world would be without an America, I can already tell you that you wouldn't be visiting an internet forum in the saftey of Canada. Don't take this too harsh Strider for I like you as a person but the shit you pull on America :(....

Strider Fury 2003-01-02 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyTAE

You know that isn't what you're mad at, as soon as Bush is gone what will be your excuse too hate Americans then? I am sure you never even met an American or even thought for a while about what place exactly America has in this world. You are just more negativeness that has subsided in so many places around the world too create a bad name for us. So what America has done some fucked up shit, Not a country too date has kept a clean name, But atleast we try and make others lifes better. We may not be Jesus but we have played our roles in making this world a better place one of which has kept your country safe and secure while others might have prayed upon it. Just think back a while and imagine what the world would be without an America, I can already tell you that you wouldn't be visiting an internet forum in the saftey of Canada. Don't take this too harsh Strider for I like you as a person but the shit you pull on America :(....

America is just another country who exersizes its power thoughout the entire world for its own advantages, and sometimes, for the safely of the world. I agree with you though, that every single country of this world is at least in some way corrupted, but it is inevitable. it is impossible to tell if the world would be a better place with, or without America. some of the bad stuff that happens are the result of American actions, while others are not.

Titusfied 2003-01-02 12:03 PM

I think the advantages heavily outweigh the disadvantages though.

Strider Fury 2003-01-02 12:07 PM

have you ever read bout the fall of the Roman Empire?

Demosthenes 2003-01-02 11:30 PM

consider WW2

what would the probable outcome have been had the americans not gotten involved.

Titusfied 2003-01-03 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Strider Fury
have you ever read bout the fall of the Roman Empire?

Have you ever hear of learning from others mistakes? I think we are a little different than the Roman Empire, or at least smart enough to have history not repeat itself.

Jamesadin 2003-01-04 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mjordan2nd
consider WW2

what would the probable outcome have been had the americans not gotten involved.

We would all be speaking German right now.

JohnnyTAE 2003-01-05 09:47 PM

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redcomet 2003-01-11 11:53 AM

Just another vietnam, the north willl take south.

Jamesadin 2003-01-20 10:23 AM

Yeah, but now nuclear weapons have come into play.

Think of it like this...

They go to war,
North nukes the south,
South calls on other countries to help,
US (just an example) nukes the North,
North nukes US,
Korea and US are in total war
US allies join in,
Korea allies join in,
World War III,
World destroys itself,



Aliens come and inhabit the earth.. :p

Hellmonkeys 2003-01-20 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chruser
There is any way any sane leader would bomb countries at random without having any proof of who did the attack.

Yes, there is. Hmmm.... Afganistan for example? George Bush bombed Afganistan without proof that the country did it...because the country didn't do it. It was a terrorist organization that did it, not Afganistan itself. But what ended up happening was our "Sane Leader" dropped many bombs on Afganistan and completely demolished that country including TONS of civilians... when it was a terrorist cell that did it, not the majority of civilians that we killed or the Afgan government itself.

And about North Korea... well, like Iraq, so what if they have nukes? The US shouldn't be the ones to judge if they plan on using them or not. Yes, your going to say "Well, it is against the UN policy." But, we violate the UN policy CONSTANTLY... everyone knows the US has thousands of nuclear missles... and every single one of them is against the UN policy. Why are we able to violate it and no other country can? So why must we get mad when a country supposedly has a nuclear missle (Iraq, N. Korea)? Why must we assume they ARE going to use it? They probablly won't use it like we don't use our thousands of nukes... why do we think they will?

RoboticSilence 2003-01-20 08:23 PM

Does anyone realize how quick we were to send a nuke on Hiroshima after Pearl Harbor? If we do get attacked, will Bush respond that quickly? If so, it could start another World War. I don't trust the idiot to do what's right.


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