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[18:06] Chruser: Okay.
[18:06] Chruser: Gaming is done.
[18:06] Yawgmoth: In my opinion at least
[18:06] Chruser: Zelaron Basement.
[18:06] Chruser: Hobbies and Interests.
[18:06] Lenny: This'll be fun. =P
[18:06] Lenny: Sub of something.
[18:07] Yawgmoth: Kill all and replace with Science and Technology, and Art and Culture and maybe Hobbies and INterests
[18:07] Lenny: Makes sense.
[18:07] Chruser: Okay.
[18:07] Lenny: Maybe even just two - merge Hobbies with Art and Culture.
[18:07] Yawgmoth: Maybe rename Hobbies and Interests so it could incorporate History, Automotive, Sports
[18:08] Yawgmoth: No.
[18:08] Lenny: Visible sub?
[18:08] Yawgmoth: I say: Create Science and Technology forum, give it Tech News and Help as a subforum. Maybe add a subforum for Singularity
[18:09] Lenny: History, Auto and Sports could all be subs of a simple "CUlture" forum.
[18:09] Lenny: And "Art" could be a sub of "Culture".
[18:09] Yawgmoth: Create Art and Culture with the sub-forum Animation and Comics, we could add Audio and Visual Entertainment (movies and music)
[18:10] Yawgmoth: Hobbies and Interests could be moved down in the hierarchy and would hold history, sports, philosophy, random, auto, whatever.
[18:10] Lenny: In that case, it needs a rename.
[18:10] Lenny: Get rid of "Hobbies" in the title, at least.
[18:10] Yawgmoth: It includes hobbies also?
[18:11] Yawgmoth: Merge Hobbies and Interests, Histroy, Automotive, Sports, maybe Literature? and rename?
[18:11] Lenny: A merge would make things to chaotic.#
[18:12] Yawgmoth: Okay, kill and create new to incorporate what they once held
[18:12] Chruser: I agree; we need to separate automotive interests from history and sports, should we keep those.
[18:12] Lenny: Too many threads about too many subjects if you just merge them all.
[18:12] Lenny: Text link subs if we do.
[18:12] Chruser: Automotive, History and Sports, perhaps even Entertainment as sub-forums (text links, possibly) of Hobbies and Interests.
[18:12] Yawgmoth: As Automotive and History are not very popular they could get lost
[18:13] Lenny: Automotive HAS been popular, that's the problem.
[18:13] Lenny: keep it as a text-link sub.
[18:13] Yawgmoth: Anime Forum should be broadened into Animation and Comics
[18:14] Yawgmoth: Okay, Hobbies and Interests (possibly renamed?) make Entertainment and Sports, Automotives and History sub-forums of it.
[18:14] Chruser: Let's plow through them.
[18:14] Chruser: Hobbies and Interests.
[18:14] Lenny: Yeah.
[18:14] Chruser: Merge with "Hobbies and Interests". Duh.
[18:14] Chruser: (Or move? Heh.)
[18:14] Lenny: And some sort of rename. But we can argue that later.
[18:14] Yawgmoth: Zelaron Lab? merge with Technology and Science?
[18:15] Lenny: Yep.
[18:15] Chruser: Yes.
[18:15] Yawgmoth: Anime Forum rename Animation and Comics and subforum of Art and Culture
[18:15] Chruser: Text link. Yes.
[18:15] Chruser: (Depending on avaialble on-screen space)
[18:15] Lenny: Yeah, why not.
[18:16] Yawgmoth: Entertainment adn Sports - Hobbies and Interests subforum?
[18:16] Chruser: Entertainment and Sports.
[18:16] Chruser: Yes.
[18:16] Chruser: Or perhaps.
[18:16] Yawgmoth: I would like to have Animation and Comics visibly but I could agree on textlink
[18:16] Lenny: Text link sub, yeah.
[18:16] Chruser: "Entertainment" and "Sports" as separate sub-forums of "Hobbies and Interests".
[18:16] Yawgmoth: Entertainment (movies and music) could be Art and Culture
[18:17] Lenny: ^ Entertainment and Sports.
[18:17] Lenny: FFS post you bloody thing.
[18:17] Yawgmoth: I say separate Entertainment from Sports
[18:17] Lenny: Am I the only one getting lag?
[18:17] Chruser: Yes, you are.
[18:17] Yawgmoth: Sports into subforum of Hobbies and Interest, Entertainment as subforum of H&I or A&C
[18:17] Lenny: Buggerage.
[18:18] Chruser: Okay.
[18:18] Lenny: I agree with those.
[18:18] Lenny: Entertainment as A&C sub.
[18:18] Yawgmoth: Entertaintment - should it be Art or Hobbies?
[18:18] Yawgmoth: A&C is ok with me.
[18:18] Lenny: Art and Culture.
[18:18] Yawgmoth: I have a little lag
[18:19] Lenny: Maybe split Entertainment into two - Music, Literature.
[18:19] Lenny: Possibly even a third for Films?
[18:19] Yawgmoth: The Arts - merge with Art and Culture
[18:19] Chruser: I respond slowly due to my act of writing the change log.
[18:19] Lenny: Yep.
[18:19] Lenny: No worries.
[18:19] Yawgmoth: If interest is there, we can split Entertainment
[18:19] Lenny: Split it first, and if there's no interest merge them.
[18:19] Chruser: Possibly with a sub-forum of Visual Arts, but I agree with the merge for now.
[18:20] Yawgmoth: LIterature is a part of Art and Culture
[18:20] Chruser: We'll move threads accordingly later.
[18:20] Yawgmoth: (as it was previously in the Arts)
[18:20] Chruser: Sub-forum or part of it?
[18:20] Lenny: Sub.
[18:20] Yawgmoth: Literature part of
[18:20] Lenny: If there's no interest, merge.
[18:21] Chruser: Right now, there would be a massive "Arts and Culture" forum for visual arts and literature, with a sub-forum for "Entertainment"
[18:21] Yawgmoth: I say keep it simple first
[18:21] Chruser: Hail the prefixes.
[18:21] Yawgmoth: There is not much interest in visual arts
[18:21] Yawgmoth: Or is it?
[18:21] Lenny: Haven't a clue.
[18:21] Yawgmoth: I prefer to keep it simple and split/sub as need arises
[18:22] Chruser: Not really.
[18:22] Chruser: I think we could make it happen, but for now, no.
[18:22] Chruser: Agreed.
[18:22] Chruser: Automotive Forum. Sub-forum of "Hobbies and Interests".
[18:22] Lenny: I'm the other wa round.
[18:22] Yawgmoth: Merging would only make people wail of the decline of Zelaron
[18:22] Yawgmoth: Yes
[18:22] Lenny: Keep them split, then merge if not popular.
[18:22] Lenny: Automotive =sub. Yes.
[18:22] Chruser: Agreed.
[18:22] Chruser: History Forum.
[18:23] Yawgmoth: A new sub-forum or split is a thing to celebrate, a merge is mourning.
[18:23] Yawgmoth: History Forum is sub.
[18:23] Yawgmoth: (of HObbies)
[18:23] Lenny: But with a place to post things, people will see it and think, "Look! We have a dedicated Literature forum. I can finally post there".
[18:23] Lenny: History = Interest sub. Yes.
[18:23] Chruser: That is true.
[18:24] Chruser: We will consider adding a literature forum once the rehaul is complete.
[18:24] Chruser: Tech News and Help.
[18:24] Lenny: Sub of Science and Tech.
[18:24] Lenny: Maybe a visible one.
[18:24] Yawgmoth: I think the most important bit for now is to make everything less complex and cluttered. Tech News - sub of Science and Technology
[18:24] Lenny: In fact, definitely visible.
[18:24] Lenny: The Help bit, at least.
[18:25] Yawgmoth: I would actually like some changes to the forum-theme
[18:25] Lenny: The skins?
[18:25] Yawgmoth: A sub-forum dedicating to the Singularity?
[18:25] Yawgmoth: Yes, the default one.
[18:25] Chruser: Okay.
[18:25] Lenny: What is this Singularity?
[18:25] Chruser: Hosted section.
[18:26] Lenny: Keep as is.
[18:26] Lenny: Though it might be worth having a word with some Dragoons to see if they still want it.
[18:26] Chruser: Move All to arbitrary forums for search engine hits as retribution exerted upon the clans for wasting server space.
[18:26] Chruser: Then Kill All.
[18:27] Chruser: Actually, we're going to establish a functional system for applying for your own hosted forums soon.
[18:27] Chruser: So yes, keep for now.
[18:27] Chruser: And! We're done!
[18:27] Lenny: Either keep them as they are, or make them like NWO - you need a password to enter if you're not part of it.
[18:27] Yawgmoth: We're done for now?
[18:27] Yawgmoth: Yay
[18:27] Chruser: Lenny, do you have mass move capacity?
[18:27] Chruser: Thanks for helping me reorganize Zelaron.
[18:28] Lenny: Looks like it.
[18:28] Chruser: I will start making the required changes straight away.
[18:28] Lenny: Erm probably.
[18:28] Yawgmoth: What is this New World Order?
[18:28] Chruser: I'll post the change log.
[18:28] Lenny: Mass Move: I just select a lot of threads and move them, right?
[18:29] Chruser: I think so.
[18:29] Chruser: New World Order?
[18:29] Yawgmoth: Suggestion: We could see how this overhaul goes and then have a new meeting later on and decide if we can remove some or add others,etc?
[18:29] Chruser: Yawgmoth, that sounds ideal.
[18:29] Lenny: I'd be up for it.
[18:30] Yawgmoth: Say - two weeks from now?
[18:30] Lenny: And do any of us mind if the other two of us argue over small details like sub-forums splits and names and whatnot in the Forum Re-Organisation thread?
[18:30] Chruser: I have a "mass move" feature in the Admin CP which lets me move all threads of a particular forum (or category) to another.
[18:30] Chruser: It is slightly frightening to use, as one misclick will effectively move all threads in the entire forum into some inappropriate location.
[18:31] Lenny: And do any of us mind if the other two of us argue over small details like sub-forums splits and names and whatnot in the Forum Re-Organisation thread?
[18:31] Chruser: tacoX has accomplished such an endeavour once.
[18:31] Lenny: I should be able to make that, yeah. Just give me a date in a week or so and I'll see if I'm available. Maybe a bit earlier though, next time. :p
[18:31] Yawgmoth: That is what the thread is for
[18:31] Lenny: I should be able to make that, yeah. Just give me a date in a week or so and I'll see if I'm available. Maybe a bit earlier though, next time. :p
[18:31] Chruser: A meeting sounds good.
[18:31] Chruser: In two weeks from now, that is.
[18:31] Lenny: I don't mind going through them one by one, Chruser.
[18:31] Lenny: I've got tomorrow free, too.
[18:31] Lenny: And Tuesday.
[18:31] Lenny: And Tuesday.
[18:31] Chruser: Fair enough.
[18:31] Yawgmoth: I will look over the changes once they are made and see if I can see any faults or problems in our previous thinking
[18:32] Chruser: I'll start moving things around.
[18:32] Chruser: All right.
[18:32] Lenny: And Wednesday. In fact, every day until July. =P
[18:32] Chruser: Thanks for your help, Yawgmoth and Lenny.
[18:32] Yawgmoth: I think reaching an optimum organization of Zelaron will take some time
[18:32] Chruser: The rest of you are useless.
[18:32] Lenny: And Wednesday. In fact, every day until July. =P
[18:33] Yawgmoth: Hmm, is there som reason to keep the default skin as is - or could I suggest some changes?
[18:33] Chruser: I am inclined to agreement regarding your statement.
[18:33] System: Lenny has left the chat
[18:33] Chruser: What kind of changes?
[18:33] Yawgmoth: (We would need to go over all the titles of the forums and their descriptive texts)
[18:33] System: Lenny has joined the chat
[18:33] Lenny: =P
[18:34] Yawgmoth: Going away from the "[Subject] Forum" style of naming the forums and subforums is a huge step forward
[18:34] System: Lenny has left the chat
[18:34] System: Lenny has joined the chat
[18:34] System: Lenny has joined the chat
[18:34] Lenny: =P
[18:34] Yawgmoth: What kind of changes? I'm not sure, I just feel that it could look better
[18:35] Lenny: =P
[18:35] Yawgmoth: I will go now
[18:35] Chruser: Changing the forum descriptions is fairly straight-forward, like watching Memento in reverse.
[18:35] Yawgmoth: Rest for the Wicked
[18:35] System: Lenny has left the chat
[18:35] Chruser: Hallowed be the Ori.
[18:36] System: Yawgmoth has left the chat
[18:36] System: Lenny has joined the chat
[18:37] Lenny: Gah... lag is not nice. :(
[18:39] Lenny: Are you doing the re-organisation of the forums now, Chruser?
[18:40] Chruser: Yes.
[18:40] Chruser: WW forgot to remove a few install files, which I will take care of.
[18:40] Lenny: Righto. Tell me when you want me to start moving posts, if indeed you do want me to
[18:41] Chruser: Give me a second
[18:41] Lenny: I'll just take the time to make sure I'm familiar with the new layout, so I don't move posts to the wrong place.
[18:41] Chruser: Setting up dual screen mode for proper forum management.
[18:41] Lenny: I'd kill for a second monitor, I would. :p

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