Legal Pot, Colorado, Washington

[!King_Amazon!]

It has arrived. Now to see how the fed reacts.

[KagomJack]

This shall be exciting.

[Asamin]

I was sad my state didn't have a legalization prop.

[Sovereign]

I just hope these states dont mess this up. They'll be the posterchild for every anti marijuana ad for the next 50 years to come.

[KagomJack]

Crossing my fingers. I don't think they'll let us down.

[!King_Amazon!]

I don't really think there is much they could do to mess it up. They already have a working system for alcohol, it's simply a matter of putting marijuana on a similar working system. The only issues I could see causing problems are the issues involving how to test properly to see if someone is "intoxicated" for the purposes of operating a motor vehicle, and how the fed will react to the whole thing. For all we know the laws could be stamped out before they even get a chance to prove themselves.

[KagomJack]

It's possible, so let's hope they give them enough time to prove they can work.

[Asamin]

I agree with KA and am wondering how the feds will react to this. Isn't it still a federal offence to be in possession?

[kaos]

YES!, was just about to post this. It's California's turn to make it official now. Well, basically right now it's unofficially official. Cops don't really fuck with you at all unless they don't like you lol.

[!King_Amazon!]

I agree with KA and am wondering how the feds will react to this. Isn't it still a federal offence to be in possession?
Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, known as the Supremacy Clause, establishes the U.S. Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. Treaties as "the supreme law of the land." The text decrees these to be the highest form of law in the U.S. legal system, and mandates that all state judges must follow federal law when a conflict arises between federal law and either the state constitution or state law of any state.

Cannabis is classified as a Schedule I drug under the federal Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and is deemed to have a high potential for abuse and no legitimate medical uses. As such, it prohibits the possession, usage, purchase, sale, and/or cultivation of marijuana.

Now, I doubt the federal government will be sending in agents to arrest people in possession of pot. More likely, they'll shut down the producers/distributors and create enough fear of enforcement that the market will be crippled and sent back underground.

[KagomJack]

So let's fight it or something.

[WetWired]

What's most important is that it sends a message to congress that increasingly, people want legalization.

[!King_Amazon!]

Had the democrats gained control of the house of representin', I would have predicted federally legalized pot by the end of Obama's term. Unfortunately that will probably never happen.

[KagomJack]

It is possible, broski.

[Asamin]

If it's federally legal, would that mean that all states have to have it legal or can states still choose that? Just wondering, not that I actually want this.

[KagomJack]

That may fall under nullification. But if it were federally legal, they could choose to sell or not to sell or restrict the way some dry counties do with alcohol.

[Skurai]

Just grow pot in the spare rooms of your houses, like regular smart people.

[!King_Amazon!]

If it's federally legal, would that mean that all states have to have it legal or can states still choose that? Just wondering, not that I actually want this.
I think that situation is less clear-cut. I think the fed can give the states the right to choose, but they would basically just do that by removing pot from the CSA. If there were a federal law saying that pot is legal, it would require some sort of footnote for states to be able to go against that. That is how I understand it, at least.

[Thanatos]

Let's get blitzed

[Skurai]

So other than the ability to smoke pot while walking down the street, what does this even do?

[!King_Amazon!]

So other than the ability to smoke pot while walking down the street, what does this even do?
I know that even you aren't that stupid.

[KagomJack]

You give him too much credit.

[!King_Amazon!]

I don't think so, I'm pretty sure he's just attempting to troll or something. The bill doesn't even make it legal to smoke marijuana while walking down the street. I don't even know if the bill addresses that sort of regulatory question.

[Skurai]

That's what my brother Chris said it did.

[Asamin]

Yep, K_A gave you to much credit.

[Skurai]

Well, considering I've never really even considered smoking pot before, this really doesn't concern me, to my knowledge, other than economically.

[KagomJack]

You might be more tolerable if you started smoking pot.

[!King_Amazon!]

You might be more tolerable retarded if you started smoking pot.

More likely.

[KagomJack]

I dunno. Pot made me less retarded and a helluva lot more tolerable. It also helped me to put my anger issues into a controllable state as well as stabilized my entire mood. We can only hope, K_A.

[NonGayMan]

Read on the news that they can still drug test you for it in those states and not hire you because of it

[Skurai]

I can only imagine the number of people getting fired, for being high on the job.

[KagomJack]

Doesn't surprise me.

[!King_Amazon!]

Read on the news that they can still drug test you for it in those states and not hire you because of it
Would you expect this to change? I wouldn't. If a business doesn't want to hire you because you do drugs, I see no problem with that. A lot of businesses get significant discounts on their insurance costs because of the fact that they drug test employees.

My employer sets a BAC limit (0.08, same as driving,) which I have to remain below to remain in compliance. Alcohol is legal. Same deal.

[KagomJack]

I personally am against mandatory drug testing for a job. But I'm okay with it in cases of workplace accidents and the sort.

[!King_Amazon!]

I personally am against mandatory drug testing for a job. But I'm okay with it in cases of workplace accidents and the sort.

It's pretty hard to justify that opinion if you're talking about a profession that has life-or-death consequences. Would you be okay with airline pilots not being tested until they have an "accident"? How about nurses/doctors? The thing about accidents is a lot of them are preventable.

Now, I would be against a law that requires that all jobs require drug testing. That's the thing. You have a choice in the matter. If you want to get a nice job, clean up your shit. If you want to keep smoking pot while you have a job, work at burger king. I think that's perfectly fair.

[KagomJack]

I still hold to my beliefs. Life-or-death consequence jobs would be the exception. Jobs that require you to work with inmates or the mentally ill in asylums would also be another example. Outside of that, I see no reason for it.

[NonGayMan]

I've only had one job where I was drug tested and it was at Goodwill when I was younger. But it was surprisingly a really physical job in a factory.

[Asamin]

Back to the OP, I really do wish my state had done this.

[Skurai]

I have a serious question:
How does this affect people who are not smoking pot?
I mean, drugs tests, etc. all happened regardless. Will this make any difference for the little man?

[!King_Amazon!]

Less taxpayer money wasted on enforcement, more revenues from taxation (which ideally would lead to lower taxes elsewhere). More cops working to prevent and solve actual crimes rather than being occupied with stuff like stopping potheads from smoking pot (which ideally would lead to lower crime all around, and a safer environment for everyone.)

[Skurai]

I like all of these things. I suppose I'll support the legalization of marijuana in Illinois.

[WetWired]

Well, the taxation part is shakey until federal legalization...

[KagomJack]

That it is.

[Skurai]

So how would the feds go about controlling the whole marijuana, having a license, and billing us/taxing us thing? Would there be, like, a sign up sheet, and they just main you the pot every month or so, or what?

[Grav]

Ever been to a store?

[KagomJack]

He probably has been banned from stores.

[Skurai]

Both Walmart and the Local Mall