Hancock

[Lenny]

Couldn't find a thread for it, so I thought I'd start my own.

I finally got round to watching it tonight, and I have to say that I really enjoyed it. I've heard some people say that the first half is fantastic and the second half is terrible, but I thought it was all good.

*WARNING: Here be spoilers that I can't be bothered hiding. Read at your own risk*








The idea of a superhero who doesn't give a damn has probably been done before, but not enough, and Hancock pulls it off very well. Ray's wife being Hancock's 'ex' seemed a bit tacked on to make the story go, but it fitted, and it added an extra dimension to the story that worked well for the ending.

[!King_Amazon!]

The last bit was a stretch. Was a pretty good movie, though.

[Wallow]

I agree, pretty good movie overall.

[Willkillforfood]

I disagree. That movie was a waste of money. The woman tacked on ruined it for me, and honestly, that made it into a B movie for me. It's definitely overrated and a disappointment, and should choke on a dog biscuit.

[Goodlookinguy]

I watched the movie a little while back and liked it. WKFF, maybe you should become a movie reviewer if you're going to criticize this movie when there are movies like 'College.' College is terrible, might I add.

[D3V]

I liked this movie. I have a sligh bias towards Will Smith as I consider him to be one of the greatest actors, ever. But personally, this movie was still pretty good. It was just another superhero movie essentailly, but they swapped it around and added some weird dimension. Not too much of a stretch for me, so it was enjoyable.

[!King_Amazon!]

I would agree that Will Smith is a great actor. If you haven't seen it, you should watch The Pursuit of Happyness. That has to be, in my opinion, his best movie ever.

[D3V]

Every movie Will Smith has been, for the past like... 15 years have been amazing...


Independence Day (still probably my favorite movie, ever).Men in black, MIB II, Bad Boys was even pretty good. Bad boys II, The legend of bagger vance (golf movie) was pretty damn good, won an oscar. Enemy of the state. Ali, I,Robot another awesome movie. I am Legend.. I mean the list goes on.


This would be a good debate thread (Best Actor/Actress ever).

[!King_Amazon!]

My only problem with him is that he plays so many similar roles. That's probably why I like The Pursuit of Happyness. It was a nice change for him, and much more serious than most of his movies.

I thought I, Robot was pretty good, and I Am Legend was pretty good. The rest of those I would say that I liked, but they don't really sit up high on my list.

Also, I don't think Will Smith would even be in the running for Best Actor Ever :P He's good and all, but that's a bit of a stretch.

[D3V]

That may be a stretch, or a lot could agree with me. I'm curious if there may be a sequel to Hancock...

[WetWired]

Just because he's in good movies does not necessarily mean that he makes them good movies. He could just be selective of which ones he does. This is not to say I don't think he's any good, however.

[D3V]

Just because he's in good movies does not necessarily mean that he makes them good movies. He could just be selective of which ones he does. This is not to say I don't think he's any good, however.

I'd say almost every movie Will Smith has acted in, was better because he was in it. There is no example I can think of that would contradict this..

[Willkillforfood]

I've never seen College, and Hancock may well be good in comparison. However, that's a relative thing ...I've seen worse movies, but Hancock was definitely not good. I felt like the writers were making a nice, in-depth story ...and then got the munchies and rushed the story so they could run off and get some doritos. The last 20-30 minutes do not flow well. Yea, the cocksucker has been living in the same city as her for years and now, all of a sudden, he loses his power? And not only that, but he has to leave now (although he's been a super hero just fine) and goto the other side of the U.S. to avoid her? It made me almost want to vomit. I really felt like I wasted 2 hours and 7 or 8 bucks (I forget how much it is where I am from.)

[Lenny]

But he'd never come into close contact with her, so he hadn't started to turn mortal yet.

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As for Will Smith, he can, at times, be a fantastic actor. Take I Am Legend, for example. The script was weak (and can in no way be compared favourably to the book), but Smith managed to hold up the entire film.

[D3V]

I've never seen College, and Hancock may well be good in comparison. However, that's a relative thing ...I've seen worse movies, but Hancock was definitely not good. I felt like the writers were making a nice, in-depth story ...and then got the munchies and rushed the story so they could run off and get some doritos. The last 20-30 minutes do not flow well. Yea, the cocksucker has been living in the same city as her for years and now, all of a sudden, he loses his power? And not only that, but he has to leave now (although he's been a super hero just fine) and goto the other side of the U.S. to avoid her? It made me almost want to vomit. I really felt like I wasted 2 hours and 7 or 8 bucks (I forget how much it is where I am from.)


If you were watching the movie. You would have noticed at the begenning he said that he had woke up one and had these powers. They tied it together when she had mentioned they almost died before, and she had to disappear.

[!King_Amazon!]

If you were watching the movie. You would have noticed at the begenning he said that he had woke up one and had these powers. They tied it together when she had mentioned they almost died before, and she had to disappear.

I think he understands that.

The point he's making is, according to the movie, when they get close together, they lose their powers. Yet, he's been living in the same place as her for an unknown but relatively long period of time compared to the length of the movie. Yet, in the beginning of the movie, he seems to be just fine, and at the end of the movie, they're in danger of dying because they've lost their powers.

[Lenny]

But they weren't together. I came to understand that their being together was why they were losing their powers - it doesn't make sense for them to lose their powers when they're not a 'couple', as the whole point of losing the powers was so that they could settle down and live a mortal life full of love.

[!King_Amazon!]

But they weren't together. I came to understand that their being together was why they were losing their powers - it doesn't make sense for them to lose their powers when they're not a 'couple', as the whole point of losing the powers was so that they could settle down and live a mortal life full of love.
They seemed to pretty much hate each other throughout the movie. I don't really see what changed between them to cause them to start losing their powers.

[Lenny]

The fact that they were in close contact with each other, and in a way "together", rather than being totally separated.

[!King_Amazon!]

Right, but that's exactly what doesn't make sense. He had to go all of the way to the other side of the country so that they could get their powers back, which would imply that being within any reasonable distance of each other would cause them to lose their powers. If they survived so well for so long living in the same place, why would that suddenly stop working?

[Willkillforfood]

He flew to their house on several occassions, and didn't notice anything until a few times in. And also, he lived in the same area for a while. Despite it being Los Angelos, him flying around at 5000 mph all the time all over the city would suggest to me that he's possibly been exposed to her before without knowing it. I'm just saying, that plot element was weak as fuck.

[Thanatos]

Right, but that's exactly what doesn't make sense. He had to go all of the way to the other side of the country so that they could get their powers back, which would imply that being within any reasonable distance of each other would cause them to lose their powers. If they survived so well for so long living in the same place, why would that suddenly stop working?

He didn't have to go all the way to the other side of the country to get his powers back. As he was leaving the hospital he was slowly regaining them, and that was only like 500 feet away from her hospital bed. I think, like Lenny has said, they have to be in direct, physical contact rather than just being in the same city to lose their powers.

[!King_Amazon!]

He didn't have to go all the way to the other side of the country to get his powers back. As he was leaving the hospital he was slowly regaining them, and that was only like 500 feet away from her hospital bed. I think, like Lenny has said, they have to be in direct, physical contact rather than just being in the same city to lose their powers.

So why did he have to leave his home in the city to go all of the way to the other side of the country?

[Tyrannicide]

Did that so she could sorta live the life she wanted, she was happy with whoever it was she was with and it just made it easier for them both...I guess.

It was a heh movie imo.

[Thanatos]

Did that so she could sorta live the life she wanted, she was happy with whoever it was she was with and it just made it easier for them both...I guess.

What he said.

She had said no matter what she does she just can't get away from Hancock. He probably moved to another city so she could finally live a normal, happy life.

[Lenny]

I've cracked it!

Watched it again tonight, and I noticed a few things that I didn't on the first watch (the way Mary looks at Hancock before we know she's a Super, seeing Ray drawing out his costume), including the specific phrase "close to each other".

Reading back through the thread, we'v only really discussed close as a physical thing, not emotional, which I think is what the story is getting at. If it were just a physical thing, then yes, Hancock would have needed to move a long way away from Mary to keep his powers, but because it's more emotional, he didn't. I think we can agree that Hancock first started to fall for Mary after the dinner (the way he started looking at her, how he asked Ray where she was and looked at the photos). This is a certain when it comes to the night after the bank robbery Hancock stopped - when he goes down to the kitchen, she notices that his hand is bruised (the metemorphosis into a mortal has already started, then). When he gets shot, it's after the revelation that he's her husband, and when she gets shot, it's just after her emotional talk whilst she strokes his face (obviously she's getting close).

Then again, if absense makes the heart grow fonder, distance must dull the effects of getting close to one, if he can walk away and slowly regain his powers.

It's an interesting discussion that could go on for ages. In all honesty, it's probably just a shallow plot device that can stand up to a quick glance but not a full investigation. I imagine it didn't expect a Spanish Inquisition over it.

[Kazilla]

I just saw it for the first time tonight, Tutti is asleep so I couldn't have it to loud but, I think I had it loud enough to hear what was going on. Couple points..


At what point did it say he was moving accross the country? All we know in the end is he jumped off of a building. At the bottom of the screen it didn't say, "New York City" (present day).. All it said was 1 month later.
"Everytime we get close, they find you through me".. Who? The baddies that want to commit crimes? Or some other phenomenom that we don't know about.
When I found out she was one as well, I felt let down.. Like seriously? I said to myself.. I haven't a clue what a better ending would be, but the whole idea of them being a married couple (ex years ago). And that their powers suck when they are together.. WTF? Ok so your going to make myself and Tutti badass mother fuckers, and you will make us husband and wife.. but if we want to me husband and wife we must lose our powers? Or if we want to be anywhere near eachother we must lose our powers? The whole premise of that through me for a loop.
Call me crazy 1 more time... need I touch on how fkn sad that was to hear? Ok Hancock hates being called an asshole, do all these supers have a word that just drives them nuts?


I think it was a good movie all and all, I enjoyed watching it although I felt left down at times. When it was funny I actually chuckled so thats +1.

[Wolfturn]

Every movie Will Smith has been, for the past like... 15 years have been amazing...


Independence Day (still probably my favorite movie, ever).Men in black, MIB II, Bad Boys was even pretty good. Bad boys II, The legend of bagger vance (golf movie) was pretty damn good, won an oscar. Enemy of the state. Ali, I,Robot another awesome movie. I am Legend.. I mean the list goes on.


This would be a good debate thread (Best Actor/Actress ever).

So true, Will smith has to be my favorite actor. (what a coincidince i saw MIB II yesterday :P)

[Willkillforfood]

He went from LA to NYC. I think fate just finds them when they're together. I mean, it could have been done better. It's a creative concept, but just them living in the same area for a good while and never noticing that bothered me.