How are you voting?

[Kazilla]

Republican or Democrat?

Even if you aren't registered, or dont know either canidates side or point of views, even if you do have all the knowledge you need to form a complete vote. Lets just see what the community thinks.

edit...

i should have put another option up there for undecided or w/e that last one is independent? sorry about that

[Draco2003]

I am decidedly staying out of this election. Being as it seems Obama is going to win anyways, and it would take a fucking miracle for McCain to win.

I seem to have missed much, that I don't care to catch up on within the next month or two... I'll see how Obama is as president, then I'll go from there.


Should McCain somehow manage to get into office, I will have no faith in America, and move to another country. Australia maybe, because they are ALWAYS independant... or Britain for the autobahn...

[Kazilla]

why does it seem that everyone hate McCain? I dont know logistics of it, so this thread oculd be a good spot to also throw some points of interest out there for those of us that are ill-informed.

[Draco2003]

McCain just seems fake. His biggest thing, from what I understand, is his time spent as a POW.

[!King_Amazon!]

why does it seem that everyone hate McCain? I dont know logistics of it, so this thread oculd be a good spot to also throw some points of interest out there for those of us that are ill-informed.
McCain is Bush. Same guy. Different face.

I don't think people should even be allowed to vote if they don't know anything about either candidate. People like that are the reason why idiots like Bush get elected.

[Kazilla]

perhaps in the actual election. irregardless of how much you know, you have heard one or the other speak at some point. perhaps you liked what you heard, or feel he speaks well. i wouldnt dare vote in the actual election, i dont even know the difference between republican and democrat ;)

[Wallow]

My dad votes for who appeals to him most. In this case, Barrack Obama showed the best views. Sadly some people don't care what the candidates think and vote by party.

[jamer123]

ill vote for nether because both seem to be like a horid president if one of them win

[D3V]

I think it's pretty apparent who I'm voting for. It's very simple too as K_A pointed out, McCain = Bush. Bush = worst president in history, this is an easy case AGAINST McCain. But even more-so, I like Obama, and am Pro-Obama rather than just Anti-McCain.

[Tuttifrutti]

lol jamer you cant vote anyways, and i cant either for that matter, so i'm not gonna bother with my opinion :P

[Kazilla]

what arent some of you understanding is, this is mostly for opinion - i think a handful of the people here are actually registered voters... state your opinion, let zelaron make it be heard that obama or mccain should reign glorious!

[D3V]

It shouldn't even be about reigning glorious. Our country is in shambles, this election is about the future of America. We can't just vote on somebody that says one thing and does another. McCain is now trying to say they will bring change, Are you serious???..!!

McCain has voted against Renewable energy for the past 25 years while being in the Senate.

Palin is not qualified to be VP, or President. She states that selling a plane on Ebay is qualifying her as experience for being VP.

The Obama/Biden ticket is brilliant, and it's exactly what our country needs.

[!King_Amazon!]

perhaps in the actual election. irregardless of how much you know, you have heard one or the other speak at some point. perhaps you liked what you heard, or feel he speaks well. i wouldnt dare vote in the actual election, i dont even know the difference between republican and democrat ;)
Hitler was probably one of the best orators ever. Just go watch some of his speeches and see how worked up the crowds get.

That's pretty much why I think people need to actually know a little something about who/what they are voting for. Just because someone speaks well (including Obama) doesn't mean they're automatically god-like. In the case of politicians, I would actually be more wary of someone who speaks well. Luckily, it doesn't seem as though Obama is the sort that is just talking nicely so he can get the crowd behind him. He actually seems to have a lot of really good plans, though they might be a bit overly ambitious. I don't expect that he will deliver EVERYTHING that he's promising, because I don't see how it's even possible.

[Thanatos]

Obama x 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4DrL8-UA4U

15 seconds in: "I have agreed with President Bush over 90% of the time."

[Lenny]

I've said it countless times, but I want to say it again - if I were American, I'd be voting for Obama. I admit that I couldn't state a single one of his policies, but I couldn't be doing with a religious man in office (no offence to religious folks) who lets his religion interfere with politics. In this day and age, religion and politics should be kept separate.

Oh, and I'd kill myself before voting for someone with Sarah Palin as a running mate! I've done a bit of research, and what I've read about her makes me dislike her more and more.

Goebbels was a very good speaker, too. Maybe not quite as good as Hitler, but he was definitely up there.

[Jessifer]

Simple solution. Fly to the US, get you're citizenship, register to vote, and vote for Obama like the rest of us.

Simple!

[Chruser]

If you live in, say, Texas, and support Obama, is there any (realistic) point in voting?

[!King_Amazon!]

If you live in, say, Texas, and support Obama, is there any (realistic) point in voting?
Now? Maybe. Even republicans are starting to switch over. Probably more than there have been in a long time.

[Willkillforfood]

Texas is closer to going Democrat than it has been for a while. It's less than a 10 point difference.

[D3V]

Florida is also getting much better abuout their Democratic base, it seems like the educated population are coming out in droves to make a change.

[quikspy67]

Up here I vote for the NDP - New Democratic Party, so Barack Obama.

[Draco2003]

As I said before, I am sitting this one out, and for reasons I pm'd D3V... I voted twice... against a retard, and we got a retard. So right now, anything is better than Bush, even if it is McCain. The worst he could do is keep Bush's policies alive. I think (or hope) America is smart enough to see through McCain's bullshit should he win. On the other hand, if Obama wins, he seems to be promising a new America. I would love to see him completely change America in his 8 years in office, but it seems unlikely. I figure, whoever wins, however they put change into effect will affect my voting next election.

To anyone that says, "Who cares if your last 2 votes had shit results, blah blah blah..." Let me see you play ANY video game with a 12 yr old who has hacks. You kind of give up playing if you know you can't win. That's how I view it at least...

[!King_Amazon!]

You have more of a chance to win if you play, even if you're playing against someone with hacks.

[Draco2003]

Unless you know the host is going to be cycled every four years :P

[Kazilla]

diablo 1 legit pvp'er Vs cursor kill!

[Jessifer]

If Bill could run again, I'd vote for him.

[Thanatos]

Just mailed in the necessary papers that registers me to vote. Gobama!

[D3V]

I hate hearing people say, "Oh well, Obama has this in the bag! NOOOOOooo reason to worry"..

That's exactly what was said about John Kerry, and look what happened to him. At any moment in this general election, anything can change or happpen, I just hope that this time around more people can get involved and stay involved, the only time that matters is when it's time to vote.

[!King_Amazon!]

Well I think there were quite a lot more people against John Kerry, since he had issues of his own about flip-flopping and such.

[Kazilla]

i heard that Palin is winning the popularity vs Biden, and more men are interested in Palin then women. Men think that Palin is qualified where as women do not.

[!King_Amazon!]

Men tend to be republicans, while women tend to be democrats. I think it's like 60% republican and 40% democrat for men. I can't remember the hard statistics, but it's something like that. That might explain it.

[Wallow]

I think it's pretty apparent who I'm voting for. It's very simple too as K_A pointed out, McCain = Bush. Bush = worst president in history, this is an easy case AGAINST McCain. But even more-so, I like Obama, and am Pro-Obama rather than just Anti-McCain.

I don't think Bush = The worst president in history. People including you are just tired of him. Remember there's other presidents that have messed up their post worst than the current one has (Clinton, Nixon?). It's apparent by the poll that no one on the forum would like McCain to win.

[!King_Amazon!]

How in the hell can you possibly say that Clinton messed up more than Bush? I don't care which side of the fence you're on, I just cannot see where you could get that logic. Please explain it to me.

[Kazilla]

Taken from a random wiki article

Rasmussen Reports poll
A Rasmussen Reports poll taken June 13–24 of 2007 asked 1,000 randomly selected adults to rate America's presidents. Six presidents were rated favorably by at least 80% of respondents. They were George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy. Twenty presidents were viewed favorably by at least 50% of respondents.

Only two presidents were viewed unfavorably by at least 50% of respondents. They were Richard Nixon and George W. Bush, the current president. [11]

Favorably-viewed Presidents

George Washington (94% favorable)
Abraham Lincoln (92% favorable)
Thomas Jefferson (89% favorable)
Theodore Roosevelt (84% favorable)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (81% favorable)
John F. Kennedy (80% favorable)
John Adams (74% favorable)
James Madison (73% favorable)
Ronald Reagan (72% favorable)
Dwight Eisenhower (72% favorable)
Harry Truman (70% favorable)
Andrew Jackson (69% favorable)
Gerald Ford (62% favorable)
John Quincy Adams (59% favorable)
Ulysses S. Grant (58% favorable)
Jimmy Carter (57% favorable)
William Taft (57% favorable)
George H.W. Bush (57% favorable)
Woodrow Wilson (56% favorable)
Bill Clinton (55% favorable)

Unfavorably-viewed Presidents

Richard Nixon (60% unfavorable)
George W. Bush – the current president (59% unfavorable)

And for those who would love to get in the sack with bush, here is an article for you - this way i dont seem like i looked up one paper

WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY
Kalona News ^ | Feb 15, 2004 | Ethel Bontrager

Posted on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 2:45:51 PM by 11th_VA

The following appeared in the Durham, N.C., local paper as a letter to the editor on Feb. 15, 2004.

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists BEFORE 9/11!

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement claims:

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.

Worst president in history? Think about it!

Submitted by Ethel Bontrager





What is the moral of this story? Lemme tell you, the moral is that irregardless of what one man did, there will always be someone who supports it and someone who is against it. If GWB called an end to this war right now, and had every single soldier brought home, there would be those for it and against it, if he stayed in combat same problem. People will be telling him he is an idiot for staying and an idiot for leaving. It is a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation. For any of us to declare that one president is 'horrid' to another is foul play, and you lack the professional title to be making such claims.

[Thanatos]

That article was written in 2004. That 600 soldier death toll is now 4,155. This is just US soldiers alone, not Iraqi forces, Iraqi citizens, or soldiers from other countries. 4,155 US deaths.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[D3V]

We have also killed over 1,000,000 civilians/military in Iraq. One Million people dead, for no reason. That's, horrendous. That's Stalin/Hitler/Mousillini numbers.

[Kazilla]

staggering numbers, but - i just wanted to pull two threads one for bush and one against.

[!King_Amazon!]

We have also killed over 1,000,000 civilians/military in Iraq. One Million people dead, for no reason. That's, horrendous. That's Stalin/Hitler/Mousillini numbers.
Are you sure about that? I've heard of numbers around 100K, but never a million.

[D3V]

Well, one million "casualties" which isn't necessairily defined as Deaths, just inujured/deaths. I can't seem to actually find a website where I read this at, but I do agree the death total is probably around 100,000 . . .

[!King_Amazon!]

Oh, you said we've killed 1,000,000. Just a confusion of terms, I see.

I'm not sure what the casualties is at.

[Draco2003]

That list is completely bogus...
Favorably-viewed Presidents

George Washington (94% favorable)
Abraham Lincoln (92% favorable)
Thomas Jefferson (89% favorable)
Theodore Roosevelt (84% favorable)
Franklin D. Roosevelt (81% favorable)
John F. Kennedy (80% favorable)
John Adams (74% favorable)
James Madison (73% favorable)
Ronald Reagan (72% favorable)
Dwight Eisenhower (72% favorable)
Harry Truman (70% favorable)
Andrew Jackson (69% favorable)
Gerald Ford (62% favorable)
John Quincy Adams (59% favorable)
Ulysses S. Grant (58% favorable)
Jimmy Carter (57% favorable)
William Taft (57% favorable)
George H.W. Bush (57% favorable)
Woodrow Wilson (56% favorable)
Bill Clinton (55% favorable)

You cannot rate a president that you were not alive during their terms. The only reason people voted favorably for those people, besides the fact that they were on a list, is because in school you were never told about their negative feats, only their positive ones. EVERY President that we have had has done something that the rest of America completely disagrees with, or so I feel. The difference with most every other president, is the negative thing was heavily outweighed by the positive thing which recieved so much praise, the negative thing became overlooked, or was viewed in a positive light.

I will use Abraham Lincoln as an example. He freed the slaves! Many Americans were pissed. Sure they are people, but it's labor that we didn't have to pay for. So you feed them a few times a week, and need to give them shelter. YOU REAP 100% OF THE BENEFITS OF YOUR CROPS! Now, don't think I believe we should still have slaves, I am glad we don't, because I would be one for sure (disregarding color). But nowadays, it is viewed by everyone, except racists, as one of the best things that happened to America.

Also, I can almost guarantee the reason Clinton was voted least favorable is because they all feel that getting head is wrong. They would have never known, if someone hadn't told them. What he does behind closed doors is his business that he can handle with his wife and mistress. Sometimes people think you are the worst person because of your personal life, even if the job you are doing is beyond what has been done in a long time, and it sucks that people feel the need to judge you on your personal life, not how well you handle your job.

[Kazilla]

eh, i already stated all that in my post - i think alot of you read the first 2 lines and said omg what an idiot using stupid statistics...

[Kazilla]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/biden.special.needs/index.html

Biden has just been accused of "sinking to a new low" when he took a jab at VP canidate Palin. He said that people with special needs children should be supporting stem-cell research.

Obama's campaign denied he was taking a jab at Palin
McCain's campaign said it is the sign of a desperate campaign

[D3V]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/biden.special.needs/index.html

Biden has just been accused of "sinking to a new low" when he took a jab at VP canidate Palin. He said that people with special needs children should be supporting stem-cell research.

Obama's campaign denied he was taking a jab at Palin
McCain's campaign said it is the sign of a desperate campaign

He wasn't even taking a jab at Palin, just saying in general they have an added need to want research that could potentially help out their childred, and end this dumb uneducated bible-thumping policies we have in place currently.

[PureRebel]

if i was a US citizen i'd go for Obama. i dont ever really ever plan to enroll myself to vote. dont care too much about who runs the country and what so i'd never really vote anyway and cop myself a $50 fine.

[Lenny]

I found this, and thought others would appreciate it:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1829481

I can't quite work out if it's real (I'm leaning more towards it being fake), but it does bring up an important point, and one more reason why I wouldn't vote for McCain (I don't think I've mentioned it, but someone else might have) - he's run a very dirty campaign. Over here, we don't get much coverage of the campaigns until it's actually time for the vote, but we have had quite a bit about each of McCain's jabs at Obama, and they've all been really childish. The latest one was Obama's comment about "lipstick on a pig", wasn't it? Now in itself it's childish to call someone out over a phrase, but what makes it extra special is that fact the McCain used the phrase himself (was it to describe Hillary?).

I hate people like that.

"I'm not going to say how I can do great things, but I will insult the other candidate and hope that people will support me because I'm pointing out his flaws."

[Goodlookinguy]

I've not read anything in this thread, I did vote for Obama on it though. McCain and all of his bullshit won't work. Choosing a woman was clever, but she was the wrong woman to choose.

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I found this, and thought others would appreciate it:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1829481

I can't quite work out if it's real (I'm leaning more towards it being fake), but it does bring up an important point, and one more reason why I wouldn't vote for McCain (I don't think I've mentioned it, but someone else might have) - he's run a very dirty campaign. Over here, we don't get much coverage of the campaigns until it's actually time for the vote, but we have had quite a bit about each of McCain's jabs at Obama, and they've all been really childish. The latest one was Obama's comment about "lipstick on a pig", wasn't it? Now in itself it's childish to call someone out over a phrase, but what makes it extra special is that fact the McCain used the phrase himself (was it to describe Hillary?).

I hate people like that.

"I'm not going to say how I can do great things, but I will insult the other candidate and hope that people will support me because I'm pointing out his flaws."


The video was fake, but it was well done. At one point the video camera zooms in and the video on the screen shifts off the screen just barely.

[Elizabeth]

Good thing to see that most people are voting democrat, I don't think I can suffer another Republican president.

[!King_Amazon!]

Good thing to see that most people are voting democrat, I don't think I can suffer another Republican president.
It's too bad a Zelaron poll isn't the same as national polls.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Obama 268 McCain 270

Right now, anyway.

[Elizabeth]

I prefer having my lies.

[D3V]

I'm moving to Canada is we vote in another poorly-trained monkey.

[Elizabeth]

I'll move to England, I prefer monarchy over monkeys in democracy any day.

[Thanatos]

It's too bad a Zelaron poll isn't the same as national polls.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Obama 268 McCain 270

Right now, anyway.

You've got to be fucking kidding me...

[Lenny]

I'll move to England, I prefer monarchy over monkeys in democracy any day.


The Queen does absolutely nothing, I'm afraid - she's just a figurehead. Our monkeys who are in power are flinging poo at each other currently. In fact, it's been described as "having a punch-up on the deck of the sinking Titanic".

We have a General Election coming up next year, and if the Conservatives (English equivalent of the Republicans) get in I'll be moving to Canada.

[Kazilla]

I would definetly consider moving countries, irregardless of who wins. Many people think, you're a dumb fuck. You know how fucking lucky you were to be born in America?!? I would kill to be you, you fucking prick...

Honeslty it's not that great (in my eyes). I would MUCH rather be living anywhere else, because I'm just so sick of everything I know about America. Granted when I leave and learn about the shittake cream-scape of the new country I will probably feel the same way. Other countries have such fascinating cultures. When you think of a place like Sweeden for instance, it's kinda like a mystery to me... something I know very little about, and yet somwhere that seems, good. Chruser could vouch for them but, I'd prefer to live somewhere other then America, and in fact when I join the military I'm considering going out of country. Problem is trying to get Tutti on board.

[!King_Amazon!]

There are a lots of places that I think would be better places to live than America. America is not as great as it is made out to be. You're constantly surrounded by ignorant fucktards that love nothing more than digging their society deeper into the grave, and self-centered asshats that don't care about helping their fellow man.

I'm not sure if I'd want to live in Sweden, though. The recent anti-piracy legislation over there is scary.

[-Spector-]

Not voting, not registered.

[Kazilla]

Not voting, not registered.
You think half of the people who picked are registered... Zelaron polls do NOT in any way directly effect, or even indirectly for that matter the American Presidential Race...

What is your opinion, god someone change the fkn title...

[-Spector-]

Yeah jackass, the title asks who you are voting for, not what your opinion is.

If you want my opinion, I don't like either of the candidates. So still, neither.

[D3V]

Then why even bother posting?

It's sad that we live in a society where peolpe's lives are so worthless that they don't even care what is going on around them.

[-Spector-]

*cough* Trolling *cough*

[Asamin]

Holy shit! 16 votes for obama, 0 for mcain.

[Jessifer]

I r luvz u, Zelaron.

[Tuttifrutti]

I just read that John McCain has like 13 cars and Barack Obama only has one. Not to mention the many houses he owns as well.


Stupid old rich bastard.

[D3V]

Yeah, as much as that makes him look bad I honestly don't feel that should be used against him. They're mainly his wife's stuff anyway.. His policies and poor judgement is enough for me not to vote for his dumbass.

[Tuttifrutti]

The point is that he is just like all the other fucking spoiled bitches in this world and not like us working-class citizens.

He's not a good leader for us because he's not like the majority of this country.

[Thanatos]

The point is that he is just like all the other fucking spoiled bitches in this world and not like us working-class citizens.

He's not a good leader for us because he's not like the majority of this country.

Also, Obama was very poor growing up. He's lived it.

[D3V]

They are very different. If you try and bring up McCain's "working" history the supporters automatically take it as an attack, and call you various insults, and try to say you are toning down his service in the military.

I'm about fucking sick and tired of hearing things relating to the military. 100% of the memebers signed up to do it, good for them. Most of them do great work, I'm sure, but they shouldn't use it for political purposes and not expect it to be questioned.

[Thanatos]

So I'm having an argument with my whole family through e-mails. My dad randomly sent me a pro-McCain message and almost every family member picked up on it and went with the flow. I'm the only Obama supporter. They're all religious, though, which could explain things. (I am not).

[D3V]

So I'm having an argument with my whole family through e-mails. My dad randomly sent me a pro-McCain message and almost every family member picked up on it and went with the flow. I'm the only Obama supporter. They're all religious, though, which could explain things. (I am not).

My dad is the same way. It's been getting nasty between us actually. I'm so pissed at his ignorance that it's getting the best of me. He finally comes out and says, well I never said I was voting for McCain I just don't like Obama.

WTF kind of argument is that? He only said that after I asked him to name me one thing McCain has ever done to qualify him for president. Him and my cousin both are so ignorant, they play into the talking points, and only posess the quality to parrot negativity. It's aggrovating.

[Kazilla]

I was telling my parents about how close the polls were, she tolled me they aren't even close to being accurate. The statistics today aren't showing the independent voters (my parents and others). She said that the country will get a big shocked when the independents go down to vote and Obama wins by a landslide. (she said she can't vote for Hillary anymore, so she wants Obama in.)

[D3V]

Well, she has a point in a way. There are thousands of polling agencies, and quite frankly. I don't enjoy listening to them, I personally have never been poled in my life, ever. Our household has never been polled, anyone in my direct family, has never been polled. I just don't see how accurate they can be.

[Kazilla]

My question is, if voting is suppose to be annoymous, how do they know who voted for who? (i have a feeling im going to get an idiot stamp for this question)

[D3V]

When you go and vote, or atleast when I did. They asked for my ID checked me out and everything, and then gave me a form with my information on it and I went to the voting booth and checked out, then turned it in before leaving.