Ignorance Control !King_Amazon! Style

[!King_Amazon!]

Gun Control Montana Style






Shooting in Butte, Montana

Shotgun preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders :

Butte, Montana November 5, 2007

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, & MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal aliens ......and she wins, she is still alive.

Now that is Gun Control !

Thought for the day:

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'



How does garbage like this get around on the internet so easily? It isn’t even a true story (snopes says so). Someone clearly made it up to show how ZOMGEVIL illegal aliens are and to give the message that without guns they’ll kill our children (“an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself……against two murderous, illegal aliens……and she wins, she is still alive.”)

Lovely quote at the end, too. I guess illegal immigrants are comparable to drug dealers in some peoples eyes. I’m surprised they didn’t say something like how she was holding a cross in one hand and a gun in the other.

I’m worried for the future of our species. It worries me that somewhere out there there’s someone who hates some group of people so badly that they’ll make stuff up to make them look bad and to spread fear and panic to bring other people against them as well. It’s really too bad that 95% of the people who read it will believe it and then proceed to send it to everyone they know.

oh hai, it sounds like im talking about the obama muslim emails at the same time. crzy

[D3V]

I’m worried for the future of our species. It worries me that somewhere out there there’s someone who hates some group of people so badly that they’ll make stuff up to make them look bad and to spread fear and panic to bring other people against them as well. It’s really too bad that 95% of the people who read it will believe it and then proceed to send it to everyone they know.

Unfortunately, this really isn't anything new and it's been going on for ages. What is worse about it though, is that there seemingly are still about 50% of the population that will read this and believe every word of it, it's the same morons that believe if they don't send 7 chain emails in 7 minutes they will contract AIDs and be quarantined.

[Kazilla]

I'll admit when I was reading it, I felt like I wanted to send it to my parents, because they are big in news stuff. Believeing this doesn't mean you also believe that if you don't send seven emails in seven minutes you die. The article is a very plausible one.

[!King_Amazon!]

Unfortunately, this really isn't anything new and it's been going on for ages. What is worse about it though, is that there seemingly are still about 50% of the population that will read this and believe every word of it, it's the same morons that believe if they don't send 7 chain emails in 7 minutes they will contract AIDs and be quarantined.
It may not be anything new, but the internet is sure making it easier to spread ignorance at the speed of light.

[!King_Amazon!]

I'll admit when I was reading it, I felt like I wanted to send it to my parents, because they are big in news stuff. Believeing this doesn't mean you also believe that if you don't send seven emails in seven minutes you die. The article is a very plausible one.
How is that even remotely plausable?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

Not to mention, the idea of an 11 year old girl shooting a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun just seems highly unlikely to me.

Then again, you've already admitted that you just believe anything you hear without doing any research yourself. As I said before, Kazilla, people like you are the root of humanities problems.

[D3V]

It may not be anything new, but the internet is sure making it easier to spread ignorance at the speed of light.

Very true, but at the same time the Internet has also made information and more awareness available at the speed of light as well. What I'm saying is that there most likely will be about half of the population full of simps that either are too stupid or don't care enough to find out for themselves.

[!King_Amazon!]

Very true, but at the same time the Internet has also made information and more awareness available at the speed of light as well.

I think people have made it pretty clear that they don't want to be informed or aware, they just want to believe whatever fits their ideals, regardless of how wrong it is. The fact that there are still people who think Obama is a muslim and he's going to turn our country into the Taliban Land is proof enough of that.

[Kazilla]

I did look it up, after I read it. You believe it because you want it to be true. You want to know that it is possible for a 11 year old girl to defend herself against two home evaders. The fact that she used a shotgun to do it is irrevalent at that point. It doesn't mean im the shit of this earth for believeing some words I read on the internet. I read that it is an Urban Legend after reading the article.

[kyeruu]

Now i know why there are so many ignorant freaks, in P2P and P2s games >_>

[!King_Amazon!]

I did look it up, after i read it. You believe it because you want it to be true. You want to know that it is possible for a 11 year old girl to defend herself against two home evaders. The fact that she used a shotgun to do it is irrevalent at that point. It doesn't mean im the shit of this earth for believe some words I read on the internet. I read that it is an Urban Legend after reading the article.

You were claiming that it's "very plausible." Now you're saying that you believe it because you want it to be true.

Either statement is ridiculous, but I suppose I have to give you a little credit for at least realizing you're ignorant. Or not. Tard.

[Kazilla]

You were claiming that it's "very plausible." Now you're saying that you believe it because you want it to be true.

Either statement is ridiculous, but I suppose I have to give you a little credit for at least realizing you're ignorant. Or not. Tard.
Your showing more ignorance in this thread then I. You believe in something because you want it to be true. Why can you somewhat manage to believe in it? Because it was plausible. If you told me, "Girl jumps from plane without parachute and lives". Sure you would want to believe it is true, but you know damn well it isn't plausible.

Plausible: having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable

[Kazilla]

In an effort to end KA's biased opinion...

Montana had 2,500 estimated unauthorized residents in 1990 and 2000
is it possible that 2 of them struck this home? yes

http://www.claytargetsonline.com/list.php/MT
over 25 clay shooting ranges in montana, she could very well be a champion

http://www.casctp.org/FAQCASCTP.pdf
states any Elementary, Junior High, Highschool student male or female under the age of 18 MAY participate.

She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.
an unloaded 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun weighs in at 7.27lbs. While loaded it weighs in at 9.47lbs

He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.
The most commonly injured organs were the small bowel (60%), colon (41.6%), liver (29.3%), vascular structures (24.6%), stomach (17.3%), and kidney (17.0%). The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%. Odds of survival are high, but not 100%

The average weight of an 11-year old girl is about 90-100lbs. A typical housecat weights in at around 8lbs. She could easily of lifted a gun, especially with the knowledge of what she was doing.

Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun
Not exactly your top-notch rare weapon.

The point im trying to make to you is that, the story IS plausible. That is why people believe it. Not because two illegal aliens broke into a house, and because we hate them illegals we should believe in this story. Your ignorance is very clear.

[KagomJack]

I always hear that illegal immigrants kill more people than non-illegal imigrants and citizens.

People just have nothing better to do than to make shit up.

[D3V]

I always hear that illegal immigrants kill more people than non-illegal imigrants and citizens.

People just have nothing better to do than to make shit up.

Which is exactly further from the truth. Illegal aliens hardly commit any crime at all, compared with regular 'ole citizens home-grown here in the RED WHITE AND BLUE!...

[Kazilla]

Crime Statistics.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal.

Source: http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/38/

[D3V]

I love articles that link to a bunch of statistics with no reference. I call bullshit on that website you linked. Even so, look at what cities are being targeted, high murder rate in LA, I know there is no way 95% of them are "illegal aliens".

[Kazilla]

I love articles that link to a bunch of statistics with no reference. I call bullshit on that website you linked. I know there is no way 95% of them are "illegal aliens".

I love articles that link to a bunch of statistics with no reference. I call bullshit on your latest post ;)

[!King_Amazon!]

Your showing more ignorance in this thread then I. You believe in something because you want it to be true. Why can you somewhat manage to believe in it? Because it was plausible. If you told me, "Girl jumps from plane without parachute and lives". Sure you would want to believe it is true, but you know damn well it isn't plausible.

Plausible: having an appearance of truth or reason; seemingly worthy of approval or acceptance; credible; believable

Believing in something because you WANT it to be true is RETARDED. You believe in something if you have REASON TO BELIEVE IT, not because you WANT it to be true.

[WetWired]

Actually, it claims 95% of warrents. That only proves biased judges.

[Kazilla]

Believing in something because you WANT it to be true is RETARDED. You believe in something if you have REASON TO BELIEVE IT, not because you WANT it to be true.

Tell that to all the families who have had their children and/or loved ones taken from them. Tell that to all the families that wanted to believe that their husband/fathers made it out of the twin towers before the planes struck.

Wanting to believe in something is by far the least retarded thing you could do. Wanting to believe in something gives you hope. I hope that someday your daughter doesnt get abducted. More so, I hope she doesn't know that her father doesnt want to believe that she will be ok. You honestly can't see the ignorance in what you are saying can you?

[D3V]

Actually, it claims 95% of warrents. That only proves biased judges.

Yes that too, or they can't find the real criminals so they place the blame on "illegals".

[!King_Amazon!]

Montana had 2,500 estimated unauthorized residents in 1990 and 2000
is it possible that 2 of them struck this home? yes

http://www.claytargetsonline.com/list.php/MT
over 25 clay shooting ranges in montana, she could very well be a champion


http://www.casctp.org/FAQCASCTP.pdf
states any Elementary, Junior High, Highschool student male or female under the age of 18 MAY participate.

OK Mr. Random-Facts-Man, you're grasping at straws if this is what you're basing "plausible" on.



an unloaded 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun weighs in at 7.27lbs. While loaded it weighs in at 9.47lbs

I have no doubt that a 11 year old girl could LIFT a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun, but what happens when she tries to aim it or shoot it? A 90-100 lbs. little girl would probably have a significant amount of trouble holding up that heavy of a gun while at the same time aiming it and trying to hold it stead. Not only that, but if she DID somehow manage to aim the gun, once she shot it, she'd probably end up doing more damage to herself than to the intruder. Shit, YOU probably couldn't shoot a 12 gauge Mossberg 500 without falling over, much less an 11 year old girl.



The most commonly injured organs were the small bowel (60%), colon (41.6%), liver (29.3%), vascular structures (24.6%), stomach (17.3%), and kidney (17.0%). The overall survival rate for the series was 88.3%. Odds of survival are high, but not 100%

Once again, Mr. Random-Facts-Man, you're grasping at straws. Not only that, but you're really just hurting your own argument with this one. Overall survival rate of 88.3%? Yet both men died, one of them from being shot in the shoulder. A quick and simple number crunch will tell you that the exact odds of that happening are about 2351 out of RETARDED.



The average weight of an 11-year old girl is about 90-100lbs. A typical housecat weights in at around 8lbs. She could easily of lifted a gun, especially with the knowledge of what she was doing.

Addressed above.



I won't deny at all that it's possible, but it's by no means plausible. The story isn't even coming from a credible source, it's in an e-mail. If it were an article posted on a credibly news source, I would be more inclined to believe it. However, a quick little bit of research on it revealed that it was untrue. In actuality, it's just the words of some asshat trying to spread propaganda.

[!King_Amazon!]

Crime Statistics.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal.

Source: http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/38/


Here, let me fix this for you. You seemed to not want to show your source very clearly.


Crime Statistics.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens.
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal.

Source: http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/38/

Here, try this one on for size instead.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5009270

Non-U.S. citizens accounted for nearly 8 percent of the jail population at midyear 2007, the new Justice Department report noted.

Nearly, but less than, 8%. Found in 2 minutes of google searching (would have been quicker, but I had to sift through all of the propaganda websites and garbage to find a credible source.)

[!King_Amazon!]

Tell that to all the families who have had their children and/or loved ones taken from them. Tell that to all the families that wanted to believe that their husband/fathers made it out of the twin towers before the planes struck.

Wanting to believe in something is by far the least retarded thing you could do. Wanting to believe in something gives you hope. I hope that someday your daughter doesnt get abducted. More so, I hope she doesn't know that her father doesnt want to believe that she will be ok. You honestly can't see the ignorance in what you are saying can you?
When the evidence is against something, believing in something because you WANT it to be true is retarded. That's called being irrational.

I understand that people hope for things to be true, but hoping for something to be true when the evidence is against it being true is only setting yourself up for disappointment.

[D3V]

There, I trust that source more.

[!King_Amazon!]

I love articles that link to a bunch of statistics with no reference. I call bullshit on your latest post ;)
You're the one making a claim. The burden of proof lies with you. You're claming something that's highly unlikely, and using an anti-immigration website as a source.

[D3V]

That's like trying to explain the benefits for the enviorment of off-shore drilling using an Exxon mobile website.

[!King_Amazon!]

There, I trust that source more.
Honestly, even that source was showing some bias against illegal immigrants.

There's so much covert bias in the media these days, but you really don't notice it unless you know what to look for. For instance, they said "nearly 8%", which is a biased way of saying it. I could say the same exact thing, "less than 8%," and you get a completely different message from it.

Ever notice how if there's an article about a murder or something, they only ever specify the race/gender of the murderer if it's not a white male. They'll specify "murdered by a hispanic man" but if it's a white man they will usually say "murdered by a man."

[Kazilla]

Possible - capable of happening or existing } its possible this article happened

Plausible - Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible } its plausible this article happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7nhrNCIio
Video of a girl about 5'6" shooting the gun. You must keep your intellegence long enough to remember she was a "Champion Clay Shooter". When you are experience in anything you do it better then someone without any experience. You understand the kick you get after a shot.

I love your random pulled outta the ass statistics on your 2351 out of retarded. Show me any source, that states it is impossible to die from a gunshot to the shoulder. Further more, you also have to remember that she was on the 2nd story of her house, the man in question was on his way up the stairs when she fires. Assuming she is on a higher elevation then he is one could safely assume the bullet wound entered the shoulder, traveled through his body and stoped... at his heart.

Hispanic men (120,000) represented the largest increase to the custody population," it said. (assuming by hispanic they mean illegal because it was taken from the immigrant section of KA's source.)

If you really wish to get anal KA then here you go.

FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens. Friday, 02 March 2007.
Texas Border Regulators.
August 26, 2008 [http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/38/].
(The correct way to site a source from the internet.)

FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens . Friday, 02 March 2007. Texas Border Regulators. August 26, 2008 [http://www.texasborderregulators.org/content/view/15/38/].
(the here, lemme make a point even though I don't know wtf im talking about sitation)

Anything else?

[D3V]

Honestly, even that source was showing some bias against illegal immigrants.

There's so much covert bias in the media these days, but you really don't notice it unless you know what to look for. For instance, they said "nearly 8%", which is a biased way of saying it. I could say the same exact thing, "less than 8%," and you get a completely different message from it.

Ever notice how if there's an article about a murder or something, they only ever specify the race/gender of the murderer if it's not a white male. They'll specify "murdered by a hispanic man" but if it's a white man they will usually say "murdered by a man."

I think your demographics, mainly where you live could impact this a bunch. I've noticed it a TON living here in Florida, and yes it's pretty pitiful how the media covers, well anything these days. Living with Biased opinions is a part of life though, it is worst though that National media news networks put it into their stories, namely Fox News.

[Kazilla]

The point is, nothing in the article KA originally posted points towards false. When you read it everything sounds like it could happen.

[D3V]

Well, that can be debateable, but it's all still unlikely. His point was that people will read anything and just take it as fact, when it can't be, and then the whole situation turned into an immigration argument.

And hence, you did prove the point, even though you took a step in the right direction, you still cited sources that aren't legitimate.

[!King_Amazon!]

Possible - capable of happening or existing } its possible this article happened

Plausible - Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible } its plausible this article happened

Like I said, not remotely plausible. How is it "likely"? How is it "credible"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o7nhrNCIio
Video of a girl about 5'6" shooting the gun. You must keep your intellegence long enough to remember she was a "Champion Clay Shooter". When you are experience in anything you do it better then someone without any experience. You understand the kick you get after a shot.


And? That girl is 5'6". The average height of an 11 year old girl is about 4'10". http://www.babybag.com/articles/htwt_av.htm

The girl in the video is not 11 years old.

The girl in the video had her boyfriend bracing her shoulder for her, and it still kicked the shit out of her shoulder. If he hadn't been doing that, she probably would have fallen flat on her ass, or broken/dislocated her shoulder.

However, the girl in the e-mail didn't have anyone bracing her shoulder, and she was most likely terrified to death. Yet, we're to believe that she remained completely calm, ran and got her dad's shotgun, ran to meet them at the stairs, knee-crouched like Davey Crockett, and shot both men dead with a gun she most likely wouldn't have been able to shoot?



I love your random pulled outta the ass statistics on your 2351 out of retarded. Show me any source, that states it is impossible to die from a gunshot to the shoulder. Further more, you also have to remember that she was on the 2nd story of her house, the man in question was on his way up the stairs when she fires. Assuming she is on a higher elevation then he is one could safely assume the bullet wound entered the shoulder, traveled through his body and stoped... at his heart.

That doesn't even make sense. Do I need to draw a picture for you? She wasn't shooting from directly above him. It was most likely more like a 45 degree angle.



(assuming by hispanic they mean illegal because it was taken from the immigrant section of KA's source.)

The words might as well be interchangeable to you, huh? Hell, to people like you, anyone who isn't white is an illegal immigrant.

[!King_Amazon!]

I think your demographics, mainly where you live could impact this a bunch. I've noticed it a TON living here in Florida, and yes it's pretty pitiful how the media covers, well anything these days. Living with Biased opinions is a part of life though, it is worst though that National media news networks put it into their stories, namely Fox News.
I'm not even really referring to stuff like Fox News bias. The people who say biased things like I'm talking about usually don't even realize they're doing it. They're not intentionally saying things in a biased way. You can even find articles by women that say biased things about women, and they don't even realize it.

[!King_Amazon!]

The point is, nothing in the article KA originally posted points towards false. When you read it everything sounds like it could happen.
If you're a complete retard then that might be true.

[Kazilla]

4763 (!King_Amazons! Visual Aid for the thinking impaired)

When some people climb stairs they tend to lean a little forward. As to make sure they keep going up. Not only that but the article mentions nothing of the females position durring her 2nd shot. She could have been crouched against a wall, or pined inbetween two corners. (If i have to draw you another picture of how that could change the angle then i quit)

Not once in the article does it mention that the little girl was recoiled into a death trap. Who's to say that when she took the 1st shot, she wasnt perched up against the footboard of her father's bed. And for the 2nd shot she could have gripped the Stair-Railing.

The point is, nothing in the article KA originally posted points towards false. When you read it everything sounds like it could happen.
If you're a complete retard then that might be true.
I agree KA, all members who read this and think it could be true are completely utter fucking ignorant idiots, well said.

The words might as well be interchangeable to you, huh? Hell, to people like you, anyone who isn't white is an illegal immigrant.
Yes, because I have made it perfectly clear to you that I hate all forms of illegal aliens. What profession did you say you were? I highly suggest a detective gumshoe.

Like I said, not remotely plausible. How is it "likely"? How is it "credible"?
What part of this article isn't? The fact that a matured 11 year old gear is capable of defending herself? (You don't become a Champion Clay Shooter without self discipline)

The girl in the video had her boyfriend bracing her shoulder for her, and it still kicked the shit out of her shoulder. If he hadn't een doing that, she probably would have fallen flat on her ass, or broken/dislocated her shoulder.
Sence we are on the idiot path of credible sources, please show me.

[-Spector-]

What's the point of defending an artical that isn't true in the first place?

[!King_Amazon!]

Not once in the article does it mention that the little girl was recoiled into a death trap. Who's to say that when she took the 1st shot, she wasnt perched up against the footboard of her father's bed. And for the 2nd shot she could have gripped the Stair-Railing.

It says she was in a knee crouch aiming position.

http://www.airguns-today.co.uk/a-library/Cometa/indian/indian13.jpg

Granted, she would have been holding a shotgun, but how would she have been perched up against anything, or gripping on anything? What, is she going to shoot the shotgun one-handed?



Sence we are on the idiot path of credible sources, please show me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glCFfhclrLI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJyTP21utHY
You can tell that one isn't even a 12 gauge. It's not loud enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7xFhrigGvY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPusQOswntY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PINUiAC6Ms4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbX-ZImIsfY


And just for fun because it's a classic (but mostly unrelated)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA



Have you ever fired a 12 gauge shotgun, Kazilla? It doesn't take a ton of experience to realize that an 11 year old girl shooting one without hurting herself in the middle of a situation like that is incredibly unlikely.

[Tuttifrutti]

.. this thread is stupid. stop fighting like little girls. the end.

[Kazilla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJazYBReAY

Just for you KA. If a 9 year old boy who "somewhat" looks like he knows what he was doing, then an 11 year old girl who is a champion sure as hell knows what she is doing.

4766
Shows how being perched up against a wall stops most of any recoil...

4767
This is incase you didnt grasp the concept of the 1st example.

[Kazilla]

.. this thread is stupid. stop fighting like little girls. the end.
you say that in everythread stop spamming go away

[Tuttifrutti]

you're a jerk. the end. again.

[Kazilla]

you're a jerk. the end. again.
lol - im so sick of that stupid your post is bullshit stop doing it error...

[!King_Amazon!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPJazYBReAY

Just for you KA. If a 9 year old boy who "somewhat" looks like he knows what he was doing, then an 11 year old girl who is a champion sure as hell knows what she is doing.

It doesn't state what type of gun it is (I don't currently have sound so I can't listen to it, and the video is blurry as hell), and that boy is not endangered by people breaking into his house. You fail to grasp that, all things considered, the entire story is absurd. Even IF an 11 year old girl was a skeet shooting champion, that doesn't mean shit when her life is actually in danger. I would assume that shooting skeet is not the same as defending yourself against intruders.


4766
Shows how being perched up against a wall stops most of any recoil...

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This is incase you didnt grasp the concept of the 1st example.

Neither of those even make sense.

In the position the e-mail states she was in, her back would not be parallel to the wall. She would essentially be leaning forward. At best, she might be able to have her lower back against the wall, but that's not going to do anything to help the recoil.

Again, have you ever shot a 12 gauge shotgun? Have you ever shot any gun ever?

[Kazilla]

It doesn't state what type of gun it is (I don't currently have sound so I can't listen to it, and the video is blurry as hell), and that boy is not endangered by people breaking into his house. You fail to grasp that, all things considered, the entire story is absurd. Even IF an 11 year old girl was a skeet shooting champion, that doesn't mean shit when her life is actually in danger. I would assume that shooting skeet is not the same as defending yourself against intruders.

...Lemme take you on a trip - into the human body.

Adrenaline: a hormone produced by the adrenal gland in the body of many animals. When it is produced in the body it stimulates the heart-rate, dilates blood vessels and air passages, and has a number of more minor effects. Adrenaline is naturally produced in high-stress or physically exhilarating situations.

The term "fight or flight" is often used to characterize the circumstances under which adrenaline is released into the body. It is an early evolutionary adaptation to allow better coping with dangerous and unexpected situations. With dilated blood vessels and air passages, the body is able to pass more blood to the muscles and get more oxygen into the lungs in a timely manner, increasing physical performance for short bursts of time.

SOURCE : http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-adrenaline.htm
For the blind as hell KA

In the position the e-mail states she was in, her back would not be parallel to the wall. She would essentially be leaning forward. At best, she might be able to have her lower back against the wall, but that's not going to do anything to help the recoil.

The recoil isn't that much. As in all the video's you posted not one of them is standing correctly, they will topple each time because they havent braced themselves against anything. (their foot for instance). In the video i posted you can clearly see the youngman standing firmly with his legs spread apart waiting for the recoil in which he knows is comming. The video's you posted were all of first timers. You then begin to peck away at the video saying, its to blurry. I dont have sound. You found a video that owns my face and i need a way outta it...

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Now if i kick this ball directly at your face its going to keep moving until it hits your face. Where it comes to a halt.

Now if i get recoiled into a wall, im going to keep moving until i hit that wall.

Comprende? Im drawing these pictures are retarded as i can, i hope it helps.

And yes i have shot a gun before. Actually four, two were air guns and two were actual guns. I don't remember my grandfathers fun i had shot but it was a rifle of some sort. And the other gun i have shot was a .45 handgun my neighboor had.

[Chruser]

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Now if i kick this ball directly at your face its going to keep moving until it hits your face. Where it comes to a halt.

Now if i get recoiled into a wall, im going to keep moving until i hit that wall.


Your grey matter is approaching terminal viscosity.

A ball that comes to a perfect halt when hitting another object would be a marvelous way to transfer kinetic energy. In reality, its (absolute) impulse will always be greater than the absolute value of its momentum. Also, the only way you could get recoiled into a wall, and then keep moving until you hit the wall (again) would be if you and the wall made up the only significant masses in the system, e.g. if you found yourself colliding and rebounding off a wall in otherwise empty space.

[!King_Amazon!]

COCKS.

How can you be so dumb?

[Kazilla]

stfu KA, just because you were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You make me sick everytime you fail at explaining you pull the fuck it card. You are pitiful. You havent proven anything in this thread. You post something then insult the people who would possibly believe something that could be real you are the defense my friend now prove that it's utterly impossible for this to happen and you win, thats all you have to do. Man up.

[!King_Amazon!]

stfu KA, just because you were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You make me sick everytime you fail at explaining you pull the fuck it card. You are pitiful. You havent proven anything in this thread. You post something then insult the people who would possibly believe something that could be real you are the defense my friend now prove that it's utterly impossible for this to happen and you win, thats all you have to do. Man up.
You haven't proven anything beyond a reasonable doubt, Kazilla, except perhaps the fact that your brain doesn't function when you type. I've explained everything just fine, you're just incapable of the logical thought that is required to understand it. I'm not going to keep trying to explain shit to you over and over.

Frustrating me into submission doesn't mean that you've proven anything. You're still wrong. I'm just sick of trying to break through the wall that is your stupidity.

[Kazilla]

Yes, because you are a complete idiot that has failed in your own thread you dub me the idiot, well played. The fact is you can't even somewhat prove that this is impossible. An 11 year old girl who is a champion clay shooter IS capable of doing everything in this article. Now Back to the subject at hand, you dismissing the populus as idiots for believeing what they read, i feel i have proven that it can very well be obscured as possible. Goodday KA, may you not fail in your next thread.

[D3V]

If you guys would only put this much collective effort into something worth debating, like religion, then it would be worthwhile.

[!King_Amazon!]

The fact is you can't even somewhat prove that this is impossible.

No shit sherlock. I even said myself that it's POSSIBLE.

[Willkillforfood]

I've known plenty of girls that age who are able to fire shotguns. Have you ever fired a shotgun? They have very little kick. That's why even kids can shoot them.

[Kazilla]

No shit sherlock. I even said myself that it's POSSIBLE.
you say its possible yet you were telling everyone who could believes it are idiots... make up your mind KA...

[!King_Amazon!]

I've known plenty of girls that age who are able to fire shotguns. Have you ever fired a shotgun? They have very little kick. That's why even kids can shoot them.

I've shot a 20 gauge shotgun and a 12 gauge shotgun. The 20 gauge didn't have much kick at all, and I could imagine an 11 year old girl being able to shoot one. It's generally what's recommended for younger kids in skeet tournaments.

However, the 12 gauge had a pretty wicked kick, and I know how to hold and fire a gun. Perhaps it's possible for an 11 year old girl to shoot one, but I'd really have to see it to believe it.

[D3V]

The whole story in it's entireity is just.. eh.

[!King_Amazon!]

you say its possible yet you were telling everyone who could believes it are idiots... make up your mind KA...

Wow, is it that hard to understand? Really?

It's possible that the God that Christians worship is real and that he created everything, yet the evidence is heavily against it. I don't claim that it's IMPOSSIBLE that the Christian God exists, but I think it's silly to believe that he does, since the evidence is pretty heavily against it.

It's possible that all of the people I know are aliens and they're all studying me as some sort of experiment. According to you, if I believed that, I wouldn't be an idiot?

It's possible that you're capable of intelligent thought. However, the evidence (http://zelaron.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=12981) is pretty strongly against that.

As I've already said, believing something when the evidence is heavily against it is idiotic. It's foolish.

[Willkillforfood]

The story may be fake, but a 12 gauge has very little kick at all. I have a scar from a rifle that had kick, lol.

[!King_Amazon!]

The story may be fake, but a 12 gauge has very little kick at all. I have a scar from a rifle that had kick, lol.

Perhaps it depends on whatever you're comparing it to. I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of guns that have more kick than a 12 gauge shotgun, but I can say from personal experience, at least compared to anything I've ever shot, 12 gauge shotguns have a pretty big kick.

[Kazilla]

irrational thinking is always retarded KA i assumed you would know that. wanting to think that your child will return safe... is not idiotic and i dont care which way you pull your head outta your ass to finally understand that text but you need to.

To sit there and compare an 11 year old girl defending herself in a house with a little shotty to; aliens studying you (of all people) and to religeon is more of an idk what else to say tactic. Come on KA i know you have something better crawling around in that empty void someone at some point called your brain. Use it.

[WetWired]

"little shotty"? A 12 gauge shotgun is not small. Also, in case you've missed it, a 20 gauge shotgun -- which uses smaller shells and thus is usually smaller -- is much more commonly used by beginners and is even effective when hunting certain game. It's almost a certainty that a champion 11 year old girl would practice almost exclusively if not always with a 20 gauge since using a 12 or 10 gauge in competition would be a disadvantage because of the recoil.

[Willkillforfood]

Again, an 8-year-old girl could shoot a shotgun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MVXd-OdQrI Little girls shoot bigger guns than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_LRJZ70lEM&NR=1 This girl is most likely older than 11, but she's not very big and handles a shotgun well. Looks like she might be using pretty powerful shells too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUbCAzBygAE&feature=related Another small girl, this time firing a desert eagle. That's a .50 cal and is much harder to shoot than the average shotgun.

[Thanatos]

This thread gives me a headache.

[!King_Amazon!]

No shit.

[Kazilla]

its funny that you agree with him seeing as you were more then 1/2 the issue. Does your head ache when you think KA?

[!King_Amazon!]

My head aches when I argue with people that are incapable of intelligent thoughts. Unfortunately, I'm stubborn enough to not know when to leave it alone, so I just let myself continue to be frustrated by it.

[Kazilla]

you do realize everything you said is retarded? not one post in this thread from me was zomg you stoopid lil girls shoot fguns like pros yea 1337 gunner woman ahhaehaha... your problem is you failed to achieve what you were looking for. the attempt at disproving this entire thread. how does it feel to lose?

[D3V]

/thread.

[!King_Amazon!]

you do realize everything you said is retarded? not one post in this thread from me was zomg you stoopid lil girls shoot fguns like pros yea 1337 gunner woman ahhaehaha... your problem is you failed to achieve what you were looking for. the attempt at disproving this entire thread. how does it feel to lose?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. YOUR POST DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.

Do you have Asperger's or something?

[D3V]

Wow, there's a reference you don't hardly, ever hear.

[Kazilla]

KA please stop you are starting to embarrass yourself.

[Thanatos]

Yeah KA, stop embarassing yourself.