Correct Usage of Grammar

[Lenny]

We've had a few posts recently that discuss grammar. I'm going to move them into this thread, and leave it open for all discussion of grammar - things like "me or I", and when an should be used instead of a. If you have your own questions then ask away!

If anyone would like to learn more about grammar, I recommend reading Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss.

EDIT: And to make the thread seem like it makes sense, I'm going to throw one word out to people:

Colour.

[KagomJack]

Remember that there is no need for an "u" in color, silly Brit.

[WetWired]

Colour can be spelled with a "u".

[KagomJack]

Why would it be "a" when I thought vowels take "an." And I was picking on Lenlen. I'm allowed to do that.

[WetWired]

The name of the letter u doesn't start with a vowel sound. Would you say:
an united front
an yes man
an useful invention
an universal convention

[KagomJack]

A lapse in my English skills. Do forgive.

[Kazilla]

Don't forget about slaynish and I.
quoted for correct grammar

[Lenny]

Actually, the correct grammar there would be:

Don't forget about slaynish and me.

or

Don't forget about me and slaynish.

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/meandi

As a general rule, take out the other person and see if the sentence still makes sense:

Don't forget about I.
Don't forget about me.

[Kazilla]

i always thought it was if you are talking about 2 peopole in a sence it is "shirley and I" i was always scolded for "shirley and me"

[Lenny]

It depends on the rest of the sentence. "Shirley and me" is just as correct as "Shirley and I", but only if used properly.

It's one of these rules that most people half know, and so misunderstand, thinking that the "and I" should be used instead of "and me" all the time.

[quikspy67]

Yeah I heard my english teacher saying something about that vaguely, I mostly payed attention in math. =P

[D3V]

Damnit! This is about post racing, nobody cares about proper grammar in here :P

[Kazilla]

Damnit! This is about post racing, nobody cares about proper grammar in here :P
this is the interweb - everyone cares about grammar.

[Jessifer]

It seems to me that it has more to do with how the word sounds in the beginning rather than the actual letter it starts with.

An umbrella
An underdog
An hour

United, useful, and universe all start with a "y" sound.

[WetWired]

So does the name of the letter U (pronounced "you")

[Kazilla]

It seems to me that it has more to do with how the word sounds in the beginning rather than the actual letter it starts with.

An umbrella
An underdog
An hour

United, useful, and universe all start with a "y" sound.
This is the reason i got a C in senior english and an A in spanish...

Comb
Tomb
Bomb

Screw thy language

[Jessifer]

Which is why it would be "A 'U'", and not "An 'U'". I guess what I'm getting at is if the word sounds like it would start with a constanant, then "A" would go in front of it, if it sounds like it would start with a vowel, then "An" would go in front of it. I was always under the impression that if a word started with the letter Y, then Y would be considered a constanant and not a vowel.

...This makes much more sense in my head...

[Kazilla]

Grammar should be inforced on this forum like its the law!

[Jessifer]

Enforced, and it's.

[Chruser]

I feel like a hamburger today.

[Lenny]

You poor thing! I think I've got a cream for that... or a sauce. To be frank, I doubt they'll work though.

[Kazilla]

I sumbit an idea for the approval of Chruser.

Grammar Protector - They are given the right to correct anyones fowl grammar. They can't be flamed for their corrections against 1337 speakers around the world. They shall enforce (thx jess) correct grammar throughout the zelaron community. Anyone seen taking on the identity of a Grammar Protector shall feel thy wrath.

lol i really like that idea, you could also throw in the rank of Offical Thread Bumber - allowing thy person to sumbit a review of a good thread bumb, or a post count thread bumb. (impo a thread bumb should have some more umpff in it then "lol i remember this")

With these 2 ranks integrated into our community - there will be no need for flaming a grammEr whore or a thread bumbing post countbuilding troller!

(i just finished watching 300, so i felt like im was yelling @ my army when i was writing all of this lol)

[jamer123]

this is just a blog no need to get all in an uprowr about grammer and spelling like everyone has there bad days with grammer

[Kazilla]

this is just a blog no need to get all in an uprowr about grammer and spelling like everyone has there bad days with grammer
This is a forum. There is no need to get in an uproar over grammar and spelling. Everyone has their bad days with grammar.

(take notes US Llane Horde)

Did i win?

[jamer123]

dude if this happens zelaron will loss a lot of people i will quit if this happens and im not joking around

[Kazilla]

the point of the grammar patrol is to uphold order - and not have every mispelling forum troll attempt to correct his grammar. It would NOT be to make anyone look like an ass.

Seeing as Lenny is british, and we all think he talks funny when actually he is the only one who pronounces english correctly i nominate Lenny as the 1st Grammar Protector

[jamer123]

god kazilla you dont seewhats going to happen if this starts up everyone will get banned execped the patrol and staff os zel and we will not take it at all

[Kazilla]

who said anything about banning anyone - you are taking this far to seriously... It is to prevent people like you and me and the other incorrect grammar users of this forum from trying to correct another bad grammar using person. There is no need to ban anyone - it just leaves the grammar correction to the idividuals selected for the job. It also prevents instances like this...

Kazilla posts:
Haha that was so funny u are liek the 1337man skooeler or zelaron!

Joeschmo posts:
Dude your a fucking idiot lrn2english or gtfo! Idiotiocy can not comprehand grammer.

Kazilla posts:
Shut up dude you cant even spell grammar.

Instead if would look like this...

Kazilla posts:
Haha that was so funny u are liek the 1337man skooeler or zelaron!

Grammar Patrol posts:
Translation: Ha, that was really funny Joe. You are amazing, and i hope you stick around at zelaron for a long time.

It prevents Joe Somebody from flaming the thread into the removal from The Lounge into the Flame Forum. I think it is a brilliant idea. Again it wouldnt be to get anyone banned, or make fun of anything - infact it could be used to make fun because it would all be in good fun. You cant laugh @ anyone untill you can laugh @ yoruself.

[jamer123]

you just provoved that you cant spell or use correct grammar

[Lenny]

I prefer being English, to be honest.

Anyway, Chruser is far better with his grammar than I am. It seems to be a Swedish trait as Yawgmoth wasn't too shabby, either.

[Kazilla]

I prefer being English, to be honest.

Anyway, Chruser is far better with his grammar than I am. It seems to be a Swedish trait as Yawgmoth wasn't too shabby, either.
there is an english comedian who said that "you all think i talk funny, well really - i'm pronouncing english correctly" it was funny, be it chruser (althoguht im sure he has enough on his plate already) or someone else, i think we should designate someone for the job. Itll keep threads clean. You could also just say everyone stfu about grammar - but odds are that will result in a grammar war against you >_<

you just provoved that you cant spell or use correct grammar
Jamer this is all i have to say to you "..."

[quikspy67]

I prefer being English, to be honest.

Anyway, Chruser is far better with his grammar than I am. It seems to be a Swedish trait as Yawgmoth wasn't too shabby, either.

Swedin has to have some dumb people everwhere has them, I guess chruser didn't want an illiterate dumbass as his inactive staff.

[Goodlookinguy]

I was too lazy to bother reading all of the comments.

All I can say is that jamer123 shouldn't have a part in this conversation, with his terrible grammar and spelling.

you just provoved that you cant spell or use correct grammar

To properly write this sentence, that you so properly butchered.

"You just proved that you can't/cannot spell or use correct grammar."

this is just a blog no need to get all in an uprowr about grammer and spelling like everyone has there bad days with grammer

"This is just a blog" (Huh?) ", no need to get in an uproar about grammar and spelling. Everyone has their bad days with grammar."

Did i win?

No, you didn't, i won.

I prefer being English, to be honest.

Anyway, Chruser is far better with his grammar than I am. It seems to be a Swedish trait, as Yawgmoth wasn't too shabby, either.

You write quite well.

dude if this happens zelaron will loss a lot of people i will quit if this happens and im not joking around

"Dude, if this happens to Zelaron. Zelaron will lose a lot of people. I will quit if this happens, and I'm not joking around."

Good, leave. You're the only member I can't stand because of your atrocious spelling and grammar.

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Kazilla and jamer123 are the only members on this forum who have stayed and need help with their grammar and or spelling. I think we might need to start making some grammar lessons for the stupid/less intelligent of this forum.

Lenny, I think you'd do well with those lessons. Then you can add an audio tape with it. Just an idea. Not that it's really going to happen.

1) Which one of these simple sentences are correct?

A) Its name.
B) It's name.

2) Which one of these are more proper than the other?

A) I'm going to take a trip to my home town
B) I'm going to take an trip to my home town
C) I'm going to take a trip to my home town.
D) I'm going to take an trip to my home town.

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Hey, it's working already!

"Are," is used when talking about more than one item.

Yay! I'm having all sorts of fun with random crap. Well, I'm off for the day, I think...

EDIT: I forgot to put the word, "one," in one of my sentences. Woopsy!

[Kazilla]

i dont need nearly as much help with my grammar as out friends jamer does. Most of my fck up grammar is on purpose to mock jamer. Yet everytime i mock him he comes back with you cant talk fag ima burn your but. Its sad...

Spelling im good with, for the most part - Puncuation is the hardest part for me, i still dont know when or where to use a ' ; '

1. A
2. C

I can play along. and if this was a trick question and they are all wrong then fuck you for not giving me that option ;)

[Goodlookinguy]

i dont need nearly as much help with my grammar as out friends jamer does. Most of my fck up grammar is on purpose to mock jamer. Yet everytime i mock him he comes back with you cant talk fag ima burn your but. Its sad...

Spelling im good with, for the most part - Puncuation is the hardest part for me, i still dont know when or where to use a ' ; '

1. A
2. C

I can play along. and if this was a trick question and they are all wrong then fuck you for not giving me that option ;)


A and C were correct. It was just a test.

A semicolon (;) is used when combining two independent clauses together.

[quikspy67]

i dont need nearly as much help with my grammar as out friends jamer does. Most of my fck up grammar is on purpose to mock jamer. Yet everytime i mock him he comes back with you cant talk fag ima burn your but. Its sad...

Spelling im good with, for the most part - Puncuation is the hardest part for me, i still dont know when or where to use a ' ; '

1. A
2. C

I can play along. and if this was a trick question and they are all wrong then fuck you for not giving me that option ;)

You have to admit some of that grammar is incorrect.

[Wallow]

If we enforced grammar, we might also have to forbid Zelaronians from using words like don't, won't, couldn't, etc. etc. I admit refraining from using those type of words (forgot the term) would be a minor annoyance.

[Kazilla]

don't won't and couldn't are all correct grammar - why would you have to refrain from using them?

[quikspy67]

Just don't take what he says seriously he is what you would call a dumbfuck...I think he had a head injury at one point in his life.

[Kazilla]

wallow and jamer brothers?

[Wallow]

Just don't take what he says seriously he is what you would call a dumbfuck...I think he had a head injury at one point in his life.

you're going to fucking start this again? I told you before, fuck your ignorant little ass off. Not using those type of words is exaggerated. I only said that because when writing formal works, one refrains from using them and instead uses the longer version. If we were to start enforcing grammar, that would be the exaggerated route.

[Lenny]

Now now, children, there's enough lego for everyone.

On the subject of Appointed Grammar Nazi - we've no need for one. Someone whose job it is to go around telling people how to post will be hounded out of the community.

[Kazilla]

well see i thought he might to - youd have to pick someone who really doesnt care about what people say.. along with being able to correctly use grammar. I though it might eliminate the bunch of us who dont know what a grammar is trying to fix peoples sentences. lol grammar nazi

[Jessifer]

It's not necessary, in my opinion. You're still going to have people who will flame poor grammar.

I, for one, find it rather entertaining.


Also...I never noticed until now, but necessary and unnesessary aren't spelled alike like one would think. Unless dictionary.com is wrong, that is.

[Goodlookinguy]

It's not necessary, in my opinion. You're still going to have people who will flame poor grammar.

I, for one, find it rather entertaining.


Also...I never noticed until now, but necessary and unnesessary aren't spelled alike like one would think. Unless dictionary.com is wrong, that is.


Dictionary.com is wrong. You also missed a comma in your sentence.

[D3V]

Without reading this thread what-so-ever I'd like to redirect attention to this thread I just created

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?p=648152#post648152

That could possibly deter any more bitching, or even discussion at all with the basics of proper grammar.

[Kazilla]

the fight over world grammaration will never die on the internet.

[quikspy67]

you're going to fucking start this again? I told you before, fuck your ignorant little ass off. Not using those type of words is exaggerated. I only said that because when writing formal works, one refrains from using them and instead uses the longer version. If we were to start enforcing grammar, that would be the exaggerated route.

Here come the waterworks.

[Wallow]

Here come the waterworks.

Nop, two simple phrases

[quikspy67]

Nop, two simple phrases

Atleast kyeruu takes it like man. And can spell nope.

[Wallow]

Atleast kyeruu takes it like man. And can spell nope.

Nop. Hardly anyone spells it right, why should I have to? Laziness, man, laziness.

[Kazilla]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/misspelled.html Lies! It's all there.

[Wallow]

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/misspelled.html Lies! It's all there.

Just cause it's not on the top 100 doesn't mean a lot of people don't spell it right. Anyways, I just got accustomed to writing nop instead of nope because of online games.

[quikspy67]

Lol in the correct usage of grammar thread of all threads.

[Kazilla]

Just cause it's not on the top 100 doesn't mean a lot of people don't spell it right. Anyways, I just got accustomed to writing nop instead of nope because of online games.
nope - hope
nop - hop

If I was playing an online game, and someone said nop to my question I would politely respond with, ?

[Wallow]

nope - hope
nop - hop

If I was playing an online game, and someone said nop to my question I would politely respond with, ?

Why would you compare nope to hope? You obviously don't play too many online games or you're just stupid to not know what nop meant.

[Kazilla]

Why would you compare nope to hope? You obviously don't play too many online games or you're just stupid to not know what nop meant.
Really Wallow? Really?

Nope and Hope share the same pronunciation. That is why I compared the two. I then compared nop and hop because they too share the same pronunciation. I have to give you some credit though, because I actually don't know what nop is. Neither does dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nop

[WetWired]

When I read nop, it's "no operation", a common assembly language instruction available for every micro I've used.

[Wallow]

When I read nop, it's "no operation", a common assembly language instruction available for every micro I've used.

Thanks...

[Tuttifrutti]

i thought this thread was to learn grammar, not try to flame each other.

[Wallow]

People get irritated when they are corrected...

[jamer123]

yes and its annoting that you have a teacher that wants everyone in her class to type a different way a slower way but im not doing that so screw her

[Draco2003]

What is the slow way?

ON TOPIC: I think grammar patrol would be nice, but I just like to know when I mess up so I don't make the same mistake 115 times! There is nothing worse than trying to explain something and people look at you like you are retarded because your post looks something along the lines of, "tEh greight nad Almitey Roolz uv Zelaron!!1!1!one..." Especially when it is something helpful.

[Jessifer]

It would be useless. Most people don't care whether or not their grammar is correct, and ignore all attempts of correction.

[Wallow]

yea, especially on online game