why evolution is wrong

[jamer123]

its wrong because lets saywe fill a norewritable cd half full we can only take info out but not put info into it that the same with everything through the process of natural selection:grin: :grin: :grin:

[Demosthenes]

*sigh*

Natural selection is not the sole factor in evolution. What about gene flow? What about genetic drift? What about point mutations? Transitions? Transversions? Insertions? Deletions? Gene duplications? Translocations? Inversions? Aneuploidy? Polyploidy? Go to the pubmed database, and type in any of those, and find hundreds, if not thousands of examples, and those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head.

The CD analogy is not even faulty, it's completely nonsensical.

[Mantralord]

emolution is wrong coz emolution is the process of becoming emo

[!King_Amazon!]

emolution is wrong coz emolution is the process of becoming emo
I seriously lol'd IRL.

[Coriander]

That isn't a very good argument..All your arguments are Two sentences long.. Evolutions is wrong? Well, Then your Religion is wrong. I find it hard to believe that a so called "Entity" made this world. Simply because, Nothing can come from Nothing, Correct? Thus everything must be created. So the creator of this planet, would have had to of been created by another entity. So your worshipping the wrong creator..

[Demosthenes]

I wonder if this guy is Draco? He has similar grammar and similar puerile arguments.

[Coriander]

Haven't a clue. Possibly.

[Lenny]

I was so ready to move this to the Opinion and Debate forum, you know. Hell, I'd even selected Mantra and !K_A!'s posts and was about to click the magical button that would allow me to split them into a new thread in the Chat Forum - I was going to call it "Professor Mantra's Theory of Emolution"... yeah, not very original, but I've just woken up.

So yes, I was going to, then I read the argument, and all joy left me. :( Unless it gets a lot better, it's staying here. Which makes me a saaaad panda.

[!King_Amazon!]

I wonder if this guy is Draco? He has similar grammar and similar puerile arguments.
I checked almost immediately. It's not. Draco was a bit more intelligent, anyway.

[jamer123]

I checked almost immediately. It's not. Draco was a bit more intelligent, anyway.
i do think like draco alot so ha

[Coriander]

Do you even know who Draco is?

[Demosthenes]

I was so ready to move this to the Opinion and Debate forum, you know. Hell, I'd even selected Mantra and !K_A!'s posts and was about to click the magical button that would allow me to split them into a new thread in the Chat Forum - I was going to call it "Professor Mantra's Theory of Emolution"... yeah, not very original, but I've just woken up.

So yes, I was going to, then I read the argument, and all joy left me. :( Unless it gets a lot better, it's staying here. Which makes me a saaaad panda.

I know. I read the thread title and got excited, only to see what argument he'd given me.

[Asamin]

That isn't a very good argument..All your arguments are Two sentences long.. Evolutions is wrong? Well, Then your Religion is wrong. I find it hard to believe that a so called "Entity" made this world. Simply because, Nothing can come from Nothing, Correct? Thus everything must be created. So the creator of this planet, would have had to of been created by another entity. So your worshipping the wrong creator..
/signed
To have something you must have energy. Energy can not be created or destroyed, it must be changed. therefore, we must have come from something. The most sensical thing I can think of that supports religion is that "God is all around us, He is even in you!"

[D3V]

Where did the first molecule come from that the universe was created from?

[Demosthenes]

Where did the first molecule come from that the universe was created from?

In a thread about evolution, that's not really relevant.

And if that's supposed to be an argument for God, it's pathetic. It says nothing about any evidence indicating a God, it merely states that we have a question left to answer. It's an argument from ignorance.

[Coriander]

No-one will know if there is truly a God until they die.

[KagomJack]

So in the wrong place and MJ will rip you a new one :D

[!King_Amazon!]

No-one will know if there is truly a God until they die.
Just curious. What makes you think, even if there is a God, that you will find out when you die? There very well could be a God but we still just die and nothing happens after that.

[Coriander]

But if that is a case, I thought it was destined that, if you believe in god and followed the right path, You would go to heaven. And if believed in god, and lived a life of sin, or didn't believe in god, you were going to hell. So if there is a god then you would wind up in Heaven or Hell. But if there isn't then you rot in the ground..IMO.

[!King_Amazon!]

According to Christian beliefs, yes. However, I'm talking about God in general, not necessarily the "Christian" God. The existance of a God and the existance of an afterlife are not necessarily related. There could be a God but no afterlife.

[Coriander]

Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.

[!King_Amazon!]

Actually, once you reach Enlightenment, you basically are in a higher plane of existance, if I remember right.

Anyway, you're thinking of "God" as a human-like being that has emotions and such. What if "God" is just a being that works with no intentions for anything or any sort of care about anything. Basically, God does what he wants on a whim. Or maybe he works like a machine, where he simply just does something.

You're defining a "God" as basically an overseer or something. Why couldn't a "God" just be an entity?

[Coriander]

I'm defining God by how I would expect a God to act, Which means I could(and most likely am.) Be wrong. He could be an Entity with no emotion and No Caring. He most likely would be an Entity. I use the Christian Version of God because I'm not educated on how the Other Religions percieve their God. If the Christian God is the true god, and had no Emotions or Caring, then why would he send his son to earth to cleanse us of our sin?

[KagomJack]

He'd send his son to the earth to cleanse us of our sins to give us false hope.

[D3V]

I'm sure God has an excellent sense of humor.

[Demosthenes]

Hmm, That is true, But that wouldn't quiet seem right. Unless the god abandoned us. Well K_A, you have me stumped. Although, It doesn't quiet seem right,That a God would abandon his people. In Buddhism, when you die, you get re-born until you reach Enlightenment, and once you reach Enlightment, you stop being Re-born. Which ultimately means you die.

Coriander, what makes you think we're "his people." I mean, we occupy a tiny fraction on a pale blue dot which goes around a normal sized star which is not even seen as a spec of light from a distance. Maybe life was just an afterthought to him/her/it. A nice piece of decoration...

[Coriander]

Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.

[Demosthenes]

Could possibly be the case. Just doesn't seem to me like He would make a whole race, a whole galaxy, and just not bother with it anymore.

But there are an uncountable number of galaxies out there. What makes you think that ours has any sort of privilege.

[Coriander]

Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.

[Demosthenes]

Well, If god is everywhere all the time, It would mean that he is here on this planet all the time, as well as all the others, and since Time isn't a factor for him, The least he could do is do something to help us out.

What would possess him to do that? We harm every other living thing we get our hands on!

[D3V]

There is this thing in religion we call "Free Will".

[Coriander]

So Why hasn't he done something about that?

[Demosthenes]

So Why hasn't he done something about that?

Because he's imaginary?

[Coriander]

In my opinion, That's the reason.

[Demosthenes]

In my opinion, That's the reason.

But to play Devil's Advocate (literally) and take a deistic approach to this, it may be because he's simply indifferent to life.

[Coriander]

Possibly.

It could also mean He abandoned us.

It could Also mean He is there, just only affecting the people he wants to.

It could mean he simply doesn't care.

[Lenny]

As D3V says, it's the "Free Will" argument.

Let's say that a God does exist. And let's say that this God did indeed create Man. Now, two choices face this God after creating man - does he control man and make them do all that the God wants, or does the God give Man free will to do as they please?

If the God lends a hand here and there, then poof goes free will.